MIG-29K Vs NLCA

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  1. Kunal Biswas

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    MIG-29K Vs NLCA


    On this thread we will discuss abt the best Aircraft for Indian Carriers, The contenders are Mig-29k & NLCA..

    I will Post Information and Pics and my own Idea abt the matter, All members are welcome to share their Ideas..

    Also Pls try to avoid:

    1. American F-35..
    2. Russian NFGFA..


    As this aircraft are meant for future so they have nothing to do in present situations..

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    NAVY`s MIG-29K

    MIG-29K

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    US$46.25 million including spares and support
     
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    Mig-29k


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    LCA

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    Nlca

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    US$31.09 million (Naval version)
     
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    Just one clarification. Is the NLCA going to use GE-F404 or GE-F414? Isn't the first batch of the LCA slated to use GE-F414?
     
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    Wiki says F404IN20, F-414 is good, Any article u have?
     
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    Above Specifications suggest that MIG-29 is a better fighter, most importantly it have twin engines for better survivability..

    Merits:
    1. Twin Engine, coz more fuel consumption hence reducing the range..
    2. All Russian Anti-ship missiles are active radar, means not a pure stand off weapon..



    NLCA advantage over MIG-29K:
    NLCA is lighter compare to MIG-29k also NLCA carry 3000liters of internal fuel with One engine which gives a impressive range of 3000km, Where as Mig-29k internal fuel capacity is 4560liters of aviation fuel but due to its twin engines it consume fuel much faster than NLCAs, MIG-29K can archive 3000km range with three fuel tanks..

    This Makes NLCA a good long range Anti-ship striker, NLCA radar is western so integrating a western missile like Scalp is not a problem, If India MRCA deal goes for euro-fighter or Rafale than we may see NLCA with some common weapons like MICA & SCALPs..
     
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    Do we have any air-to-ship missiles that can reach 300KM or exceed this limit? The only missile that crosses this limit I know is K-100 AAM. Thanks for info in advance.
     
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    Twin engine FTW.

    The LCA seems Ok compared to the Mig-29K. The NLCA complementing the Mig-29k is the best option though and is being implemented.
     
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    What sort of anti-ship missiles are these two supposed to carry? It seems that both of them are designed more for air superiority than attack against ground or sea based targets.
     
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    F-404 IN will not be used in N-LCA MK-1 beyond NP-1 and NP-2, in fact there will no Naval MK-1 prototype beyond NP-1 and NP-2. During studies it was found that F-404 packs just enough thrust to operate from carrier deck and like its air force counterpart requires new powerful engine to perform its duties satisfactory. So, it was decided then that like airforce-LCA naval-LCA will also be re-engined and its MK-2 variant will be developed in parallel with airforce's one. Once it is certified (expected by 2016) then it will inter into naval service and operate from IACs.

    Naval LCA MK-2 will be equipped with F-414.

     
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    I doubt IN will go for a NLCA-MK2. The most realistic date for LCA Mk-2 is FOC by only 2014. Then a year or 2 for the NLCA Mk-2 development which coincides with AMCA's first flight. So, it is not worth the effort.
     
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    From most of the articles I see, there is no clear indication which engine will be used. I get the impression that if Kaveri is ready with Snecma's help, then it will get the Kaveri, or else, more GE-F414 or similar engines will be imported for the NLCA.
     
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    As per what i have read the AF-LCA MK-2 and the N-LCA Mk-2 will be concurrently developed and if everything go well then by 2016 AF LCA Mk-2 will get FOC and by 2017 NLCA MK-2 will be certified for carrier born flight operations. In my view that AMCA thing is irreverent here, nobody expecting AF-AMCA fly before 2017 and N-AMCA before 2018-19 and their MK-1 variants acquiring FOC before 2023-24. So in my view LCA Mk-2 will be bought by navy in numbers and if fact Navy has already sourced out some 800 crores for the development of N-LCA MK-2 prototypes.

    There will be many improvements over MK-1 and prominent among these will be an AESA and many fifth generation fighter technologies minus structural stealth features.
     
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    Frankly speaking , the Mig-29K is the best of limited options.
    WE need a cost effective STOBAR aircraft for the Vikramaditya and the Mig-29 was on the table.

    I don't really see any need or interest from the navy itself to operate the machines in any carrier past IAC-1.

    With IAC-1 presumably being the Last STOBAR equipped carrier. Mig-29 no longer has a future in the Indian navy past the medium term.

    The Ideal configuration for IAC-2(assuming the reports of CATOBAR configuration) will be LCA and F-18's.

    The ideal Configuration for IAC-3(based on all the rumor and speculation about it being a Nuclear powered super carrier) should be N-FGFA or N-AMCA or both , with by this point N-LCA's to provide the numbers.

    When applicable we should replace the Mig-29's with N-LCA and or 5th gen aircraft(most likely N-FGFA seeing as to how the Russians may design it with considerations for STOBAR config)

    Mig-29K vs the N-LCA.

    Since the N-LCA is essentially the LCA-MKII , we are talking about a matured Tejas platform. with a better spec then the Mig-29K and being an in house development.
    why would we ever need the Mig-29K.
     
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    Till now both will be armed with H-35 anti-ship missles..

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    Hii Kunal, Wish you very Happy New Year!

    Can you tell me the difference between RD 33 mk improved engine vs GE 414 engine? and its merit and demerits ?
    which 1 is suitable for India ?
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    F414-GE-INS6 is for sure, but its fuel consumption will be more compare to RD-33-3, but will give more power..
    Also western engines are reliable in air compare to Russian engines..
     
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    Re: Nlca


    Any conventional war is war of attrition....but if you are one step behind enemy in technology they can overrun easily.... we need the best in few numbers
    and rest at low cost self reliant weapons,planes tanks,ships, missiles..etc. LCA wud perform badly on enemy soil specaily on ground targets. at the same time the best enemy planes and air to air missiles would take out lca,migs.sukhois without any distinction. so i wud say use the LCA to shield our best strike aircrafts, if we were to loose them we can rebuild them(self reliant). So the question shud be how to use NLCA and mIG29k in what numbers than.... which is the best.
     
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    If you thinking that way ahead then we better induct only top end Generation in both light and heavy catagory..

    Until then we have to relay on what is available with freedom of technology, shooting down an Aircraft is not that easy when they are coordinated and well aware and properly armed to counter threads..
     

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