Messiah of Brahmins

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  1. GPM

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    Part I

    Was Nehru a Brahmn, being ashamed of being even a Hindu?

    Next, Nanda was a Brahmin? NO.

    Shastri? NO

    Indira. A Brahmin?

    Desai. A Brahmin. But did he ever hold aloft the flag of Brahmins' interest? Was he a leader of Brahmins? NO


    Charan Singh. Was a jat, not a brahmin. Talked only of interests of farmers, industries be damned. A Brahmin? NO

    Rajiv. A Brahmins' leader? NO

    V. P. Singh. Since when have rajputs been called Brahmins? He did the maximium damage to Brahmins.

    Chandra Shekhar. Same as above for VP Singh, except he did nothing for or against anyone. Nothing for or against the country.

    PV. He was from agrarian family, at least his father was. Not a brahmin.

    ABV: Sure a born brahmin. But when did he ever position himself as a leader of Brahmins? Never.

    Deve Gowda. A Wiki entry reads: He is an influential leader of the Vokkaliga community and is popularly known as "Mannina maga" (Son of the soil) for espousing the cause of the farmers. He is the National President of the Janata Dal (Secular) party. Not a Brahmin.


    Gujaral. A Punjabi khatri, who are NOT Brahmins.


    MMS: A Sikh Khatri who are not Brahmins.

    Who has been a leader of Brahmins who openely declared he fights for Brahmins' interests? A big None.


    Part II


    Are "lower" castes upto 80%? Pal, 13% are muslims, 2-3% are christians, 3% are Sikhs. So Hindus are only 81%. Means Brahmins are only 1%. Hahah.

    What is "Upper" and "lower" caste? For Brahmins, all are lowwer castes. And Brahmins, though the only pan Indian caste are only 6-7% of the population. Say there are 93% "lower" castes.

    The castes who have a tradition of education are few. Like Brahmins, Banias, Kayasthas [in which even "illiterate" women could read Ramayana]. Where do they stand in the the jungle of politics. How do they survive in this wilderness? MERIT, pal, merit.
     
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  3. Subramanian

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    shastri,rejenderprasad,ABV,Pv are brahmins
     
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    @Op

    Do you really have to win a debate with dis honesty and non sense?


    1.All the people you have claimed are upper castes.
    2. Who taught you math? When did you start doing math like farhan?
    Here , 90% of Muslims, almost 90% and more Christians are lower castes;)
    And I said lower castes are 80% and you have not shown I am wrong
    3. Merit my ass. Upper castes made sure lower castes never learn for thousand years. Its the reason they are dominating bureaucracy- thanks to their historical head start. Nothing meritorious about it.
    4. You still have to show me a PM who is lower caste;)


    Propaganda and non sense can work only so much:wave:
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    The very socialist shit was designed to keep poor lower castes poor and rich upper caste rich. The socialist shit bags who designed it came from upper class. Nehru moron was the brain child of the left retardism. He is a brahmin . And a OBC like Modi has a chance only due to middle class which by itself is due to free market. So don't tell me crap.


    And enough whining about caste discrimination. You people sound worse than Muslims when this issue does up. Show me a statistic where you people are under-represented? Despite reservation, bureaucracy and politics is still under upper caste domination. This directly mean tat upper caste control the power in this nation. And we know power gets money. So non sense whining please.
     
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    Thats not true.

    1000 years ago,education was a totally different thing.

    All that tarditional education is no good nowadays.

    And trust u talk about education but being a brahmin in those times is not easy in terms of the rigid demands that are placed upon you in terms of abstinence and renunciation.

    Basically,the education we are referring to is the british education and the first tot ake it up seriously were the people with no land,

    clerk jobs in the british administration initially interested nobody except the landless people of all castes,later it became a prestige thing since it brought some prosperity.

    The landless brahmins were the most serious about it as they were in abject poverty and they are like today's SCs.

    Today atleast in TN,SCs are the most serious in studies and academics since they dont have anything else and want to make the best out of their life.
     
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    ^^^yeah Brahmins are the new SC . I heard that non sense several times now.

    And no Bs please. Brahmins were the gurus and teachers in the ancient context. They made a caste hierarchy based on that only

    And what about the poverty rate among Brahmins again- even in TN?? As I said assertion without proof is non sense.


    Provide statistical evidence that Brahmins are the least represented in govt, bureaucracy ,money and power. Then May be we can give any serious thoughts about brahmin discrimination. Propaganda can do only so much.
     
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    Nobody is asking for reservations or calling them the SCs of today.

    I was saying about something that happened 100 years ago of how many landless brahmins took up government jobs and got better.Thats how they dominated civil services and stuff.

    Brahmins representation in Bureaucracy is significant since independence but not so much now.

    Nobody has the patience to sit for civil services,they just like to do Engineering,MBA and work in corporate sector.

    In terms of money,there are many poor people amongst brahmins just as other communities but the rich brahmins can help them easily.

    power,they have none.only their own wits.
     
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    Shastri and Rajendra Prasad were Kayasths.
     
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    ohh,my mistake.
     
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    First part of Mad Indian has been shown to be true. Second part is doubtful.

    Brahmins, Banias and Kayasthas did dominate bureaucracy. But with 49.5% reservation, no longer so.

    Brahmins find it hard to get admission to higher education. My son secured 82% and did not get admission even for a diploma course. He went out and passed the IME grad exams. You think it a joke to pass that exam? Exams like AMIE, IME etc. are RECOGNISED as Bachelor of Engg. Brahmins do that and get into central engg services.

    Mind you, in coming years they will dominate the private sector too.
     
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    Brahmins have always been landless and without political power. The power that they had was out of the education, which they took as a matter of nature. They were the first to see and take advantage of modern education. Like it or not, in IT they do dominate.

    Only things that Brahmins can do is: To fast, to wait and to think.
     
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    Some people without any knowledge try to propagate that only they and their views and opinions are correct. We have to leave aside those zero mind or mindless people.
    The caste based division was brought in by the BRITISH only before 200 years or more. Before the BRITISH, MUGHALS and other INVADERS came to INDIA, INDIA was known as a GOLDEN PARROT, which was full of wealth and unity. The person who mentioned that BRAHMINS were illtreating other castes before 1000 years, ha ha ha, think he has been living since then, till now and is talking like he saw everything. The person who said this must go through the correct HISTORY OF INDIA and not the one which the BRITISH have re-written. I request the MODS to take care of what people without knowledge are posting and all the nonsense and in-evident stuff be deleted.
    I want to ask one question, do BRAHMINS alone belong to the upper caste? And why are BRAHMINS alone targeted when the miscreants were from the other upper caste.
     
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  14. Subramanian

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    not true man,

    my grandfather;s family was involved in managing funds of businessmen of ernakulam/quilon and my other grandfather's family has had teachers,farmers,police and an ancestor was a commander in the vijaynagar army.

    not all were non landed.
     
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    GOI does NOT collect any data about "poverty" except in case of SC/ST, muslims etc. What is the poverty rate among Brahmins? You are know all, after all. Out with it.
     
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    there is defo some poverty amongst brahmins but not as bad as dalits.
     
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    Haha.

    Funds management, army commanders, teachers etc have to have BRAINS as a major qualifications. Looks like your ancestors had them, but not you.

    Nobody has said so far that Brahmins are 100% landless. Do you know that most of agriculcural land is held by OBCs, ie lower castes?
     
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    dude, most of the agricultural land in TN is owned by vellalars like Kongu Velalla Kounder,Vellalars/Mudaliars/Saiva Velallars of different places and Naidus/Nayakkars/Mukkulathor or Thevars,

    the second category is just BC or backward castes and the third is MBC or most backward castes and none of them farm that much.

    Most of the real farming is done by the schedules castes like parayar in the northern and western districts and Pallars/Devendra kula kahstariyas and some Nadars in the southern districts.

    All those guys my forefathers,i was talking about had farmland given for tenancy and hence their approach for education was less aggressive than the totally landless brahmins.
     
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    Loads of Indian Kings and Emperors were Brahmins. Not exactly the impoverished guru types
     
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    From Wiki
    Vellalars (also, Velalars, Vellalas) were, originally an elite caste of Tamil agricultural landlords in Tamil Nadu, Kerala states in India and in neighbouring Sri Lanka; they were the nobility, aristocracy of the ancient Tamil order (Chera/Chola/Pandya/Sangam era)[1] and had close relations with the different royal dynasties. Literary, archeological sources trace the origin of the Vellalars to a group of royal house chieftains called Vel or Velir. According to old Hindu, Tamil texts, the Velirs were warriors from the Yadu Kshatriya clan (Chandravanshi lineage); they came to south from the city of Dvārakā in north India under the leadership of the Vedic sage Agastya. They have been described as Upper Shudras or Sat-shudras[

    Hahaha. Shudras, upper, lower, maha, extreme etc are the distinctions of shudras. Since when have been Brahmins?
     
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    Brahmins had land but it was given to workers due to Kul kayda...

    Brahmins are not represented by any party because brahmins themselves are not homogeneous group...they have extreme differences...some(very few) supporters of caste system while some were and are strongly against caste system and have started anti caste revolution..
     

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