Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed

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  1. sam919

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    Hands off South China Sea, China tells India - Hindustan Times

    China has reacted sharply to navy chief DK Joshi’s remark that New Delhi was ready to dispatch ships to protect Indian interests in the diplomatically choppy South China Sea region.

    On Tuesday, visiting Indian emissary Shiv Shankar Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New Delhi in to making a general comment which was then exaggerated and reported.

    Menon had also added that China knew how the media operates in India and that none of the top Chinese officials he met had raised the issue.

    This could be true. But as it now appears China didn’t take Joshi’s remarks lightly.

    “China opposes any unilateral oil and gas exploration activities in disputed areas in the South China Sea and hopes relevant countries respect China's sovereignty and national interests, as well as the efforts of countries within the region to resolve disputes through bilateral negotiations,” Hong Lei, Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson told a regular press briefing.

    Hong was responding to Joshi’s remarks on Monday when he told the annual Indian Navy Day press conference that though India was not a direct claimant in the South China Sea, its primary concern was the “freedom of navigation in international waters.”

    “It is not that we expect to be in those waters very frequently,” but whenever the situation required, with the country’s interests at stake — for example ONGC Videsh has three oil exploration blocks there” — “we will be required to go there and we are prepared for that,” Joshi said.

    ONGC Videsh has invested more than $600 million in exploring oil and gas in those blocks in the past few years.

    “India is not a direct claimant of disputed islands in the South China Sea, but a deal signed by the Indian state-run explorer ONGC and Vietnam in October last year to explore the oil and gas block in the disputed waters has sparked a diplomatic row between Beijing and New Delhi,” state-run Global Times said.

    “The real threat posed by India to China is the military co-operation between India and Vietnam. Moreover, India is now controlling several Indian Ocean islands at the entrance of the Malacca Strait, an international energy channel that sees 80 percent of Chinese oil imports passing by every year,” said Du Jifeng, an Asia-Pacific issues researcher at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the newspaper.

    “As for China, India poses far less of a threat than the US and Japan, because what India can offer to Southeast Asian nations is much less than what the US and Japan can offer," Zhuang Guotu from the Southeast Asian Studies at Xiamen University added.
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    Yes i got it right ,conk govn did U turn
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    What bunk.

    Ambushed?

    He told the reality as it was.

    The CNS had just returned from a liaison visit to Vietnam. Obviously he did not go there to add to his TA/DA.

    And the Navy is having another huge base like the Seabird on the Eastern Coast.

    One should ask oneself, whatever for?!

    The writing is on the wall!

    The Govt is merely running for cover.
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    So Menon or Joshi, one must be lying
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    No one is lying.

    Diplomacy and reality.

    Just like China, except more truthful!
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    No one is lying. This is just tactic used for gaining max bargaining power with chinese.
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    you are just sugarcoating it, you gain that through lying, which is called diploma in India
     
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    Joshi is a soldier and said it as it is. Menon is a bureaucrat and is engaging in diplomacy (lying by another name). With the American pivot to Asia pacific and Indian Navy increasing ties with SEA nations it is going to be interesting times in SEA.
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    This is tactic that all countries use for their interest.
     
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    Don't be on the back foot: Those who seek to dilute Navy chief Joshi's message don't really understand sea power

    By Sushil Kumar

    Was it fair of the government to brush aside the Navy Day message of Navy chief D K Joshi, suggesting that it was a media goof-up? The admiral's message merely conveyed the classical role of any navy such as ours which has a blue water capability. It is universally known that navies are meant to swiftly deploy and operate in any oceanic area where the interests of the nation require it to do so. That has always been the purpose of any navy and China certainly knows this.

    Frankly speaking, did not the media get it right when it linked the Navy chief's message to China's aggressive maritime posture? Rather than fault the media, we need to seriously introspect on India's timidity. Why do we always remain on the back foot when dealing with China?

    The Chinese debacle of 1962 is now history and the military equation is quite different today. Yet, we are just not able to deal with China on an equal footing. What this recent incident shows is that our inferio-rity complex does not lie only across the McMahon Line but extends even to India's maritime dimension.

    This is indeed ironic, for unlike the landward frontier with China where we find ourselves tactically disadvantaged, the situation at sea is entirely in our favour; we have an immense geographical advantage.

    India's geographical location in the Indian Ocean could provide us with strategic leverage which our political leadership ought to bear in mind. With the Indian subcontinent positioned dominantly astride the vital sea lanes of communication (SLOC) - which include China's new silk route through the Indian Ocean - it is not India but China that finds itself on the back foot.

    India is unable to exploit its advantage on the maritime front simply because our geopolitical attention remains consumed by the Line of Control and the McMahon Line. Our strategic compulsions vis-a-vis these land frontiers have led to a landlocked mindset, blinding us to the geographical reality that India is actually a maritime country.

    In short, other countries like China have learnt to exploit the geographical facts far better than us. Moreover, using the sea is not just a matter of increasing understanding, but above all, a process of building capabilities. That indeed was the essence of Joshi's message on December 4. The people of India would be reassured to know that ours is the only navy in the Indian Ocean region that has the capability to operate aircraft carrier battle groups and nuclear submarines.

    Explaining the role of a navy has never been easy, since there is a vast difference in the way that a navy operates compared to an army or air force. Since navies invariably operate in international waters, which are open highways, they have the intrinsic advantage of being able to deploy to any part of the globe, unlike the army or air force which are confined to the nation's borders. Whilst all navies are well aware of their designated role and potential, it is the diplomats on both sides of the border who need to get attuned to the concept of naval operations. The Kargil conflict of 1999 is a case in point.

    While the Indian army and air force were still preparing to evict the Pakistani intruders, the Indian Navy fleets had already deployed and seized the initiative at sea. The swift deployment of Indian Navy battle groups prevented escalation and confined the hostilities to the Kargil sector. Gunboat diplomacy certainly has great possibilities.

    Reach and endurance is the concern of every blue water navy, and it is for this reason that the Indian Navy regularly deploys and operates across the world in different oceanic areas. That the Chinese have a healthy respect for the Indian Navy's capability has also been well established.

    In September 2000 when the Indian Navy deployed a task force of submarines and des-troyers to exercise in the South China Sea, there were misgivings in certain political circles. To those who understand what sea power is all about, it came as no surprise that this task force, which operated for more than a month in the region, was finally received by the Chinese at Shanghai naval base with full military ceremony.

    Not many would know that the year 2012 is a historical landmark for the Indian Navy, for it came into being exactly four centuries ago, commissioned by the British East India Company in 1612. From a ragtag marine force, the navy is today a blue water force with potent capabilities. This is the sort of maritime heritage that would make any nation proud and is surely what every Indian would like to hear.

    Joshi's reassuring message on our Navy's 400th anniversary was essentially meant for the people of India. That such a message was misconstrued as a diplomatic faux pas clearly shows that we have a scant understanding of what sea power is all about.

    Perhaps we need to learn why the Greeks of antiquity and the emperors of ancient Rome went about building their navies even though it was an era of continental wars. If we do not want to fail the test of sea power as happened with Alexander, Napoleon and Hitler, it is time that we in India understood the purpose of a navy.

    The writer is former chief of the Indian Navy.

    Don't be on the back foot: Those who seek to dilute Navy chief Joshi's message don't really understand sea power - The Times of India

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    This proves how little do our politicians and so called security advisors understand what the defence forces are to do.

    Cowering Appeasement is all that they know.

    Diplomacy is good, but then one could have always stated that the CNS was mere expressing what a Navy's role is, in any country and it was not aimed at China per se.
     
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    Re: Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New

    Diplomas and Degrees are given by educational institutions all over the world.
     
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    On Tuesday, visiting Indian emissary Shiv Shankar Menon had indicated that Joshi was ambushed by journalists in New Delhi in to making a general comment which was then exaggerated.
    :banghead:
     
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    I would have have let it like the way it was, exaggerated or not. But then you will do diplomacy like the Chinese and others do (I wish) or as usual someone is chickening out.
     

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