MBT armour - active and passive. Cross-sections and descriptions.

[icy2527]

Could you guesstimate Thai Oplot-M armor value ?

 

[militarysta]

Could you guesstimate Thai Oplot-M armor value ?

Main armour is better then in T-80UD (on previous page).

 

[Bhadra]

There are much better LAW and hand held anti tank weapons than RPG variants ...

Todays tanks stand no chances against modern anti tank weapons....

Tank almost is dead !!

 

[militarysta]

ROTFL


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[Bhadra]

ROTFL


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But I only stated a fact ?
Are not there hand held weapons much better than RPG, eg 84mm RCL tubes and ammunition.

About tanks : read this:

5 Expensive Weapons Programs No One Wants | The Fiscal Times

and this:

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/20111219.aspx

 

[militarysta]

No, You don't.

You even don't understan for what angles and what requirments is developed tank armour.
This shoud help You to understand:

And for angles as above modern tank's are almoust immune to ATGM and RPG's

In case of top-attack ATGMS and asimetric warfare (when strice can come from 360. degree) tanks are protected by APS.
For example israeli ASPRO-A aka Trophy aha Windbreaker.
Hamas in this year in Gaza had used RPG-29, Kornet-E and others, and what?
Nothing.
Zero effectivens couse Trophy had destroyed all rpg's and atgms.

I will not even mention fact that side armour on some IFV (like SPz Puma) is able to windstand RPG-29:

 

[Bhadra]

No, You don't.

You even don't understan for what angles and what requirments is developed tank armour.
This shoud help You to understand:

And for angles as above modern tank's are almoust immune to ATGM and RPG's

In case of top-attack ATGMS and asimetric warfare (when strice can come from 360. degree) tanks are protected by APS.
For example israeli ASPRO-A aka Trophy aha Windbreaker.
Hamas in this year in Gaza had used RPG-29, Kornet-E and others, and what?
Nothing.
Zero effectivens couse Trophy had destroyed all rpg's and atgms.

I will not even mention fact that side armour on some IFV (like SPz Puma) is able to windstand RPG-29:

Come to the point, please.

One simple IED - under bialy attack will shatter all your arguments. Iraq and Afghanistan are sufficient proofs..

Are not there LAW and hand held weapons better than RPG ?

Has not there been technological development in the world which can defeat any and all types of armour ??

May not be for India or Poland, but on the world military scenario, is not Tank a dead horse ??

 

[militarysta]

One simple IED - under bialy attack will shatter all your arguments. Iraq and Afghanistan are sufficient proofs..

The same is about ALL moving on the ground vehicles - so APC's, IFV's, tanks, MRAP's etc.
So tanks here are in not better and not worse situation then other vehicles.

Are not there LAW and hand held weapons better than RPG ?

So? What's point?

Has not there been technological development in the world which can defeat any and all types of armour ??

Frontal tank armour? Propably not.
Side and top armour? Yes, they are. Of course if tanks have not APS...

is not Tank a dead horse ??

Defiently not, in fact there is exatly opposide direction now.

 

[militarysta]

ODS T-72M1 hit by M47 Dragoon (450mm RHA perforation)
tank survive fine hit:

And photos above are good start to go back to the old bad times WarPac-NATO rivalisation.
Let's take back to the 1970's-1980s'
Offcial data about TOW.

BASIC TOW (DOI1969) -offcial 650mm RHA (127mm SC warhed)
ITOW (DOI1981) -offciial 800mm RHA (149mm SC warhed)

sad truth from CIA reports:

In reality BASIC TOW (1969) have not 650 but only 450mm RHA penetration and ITWO (1981) not 800mm but only 650mm RHA penetration.
M47 Dragoon have only 450mm RHA.

In the same time T-64 and T-72 protection was on "upper bound protection level" and in newest version it was even better.
Becouse I had posted here amrour cut-viev and protection level we can check it again:
armour protection against HEAT warhed
T-72M1
Hull: 550mm RHA
turret: 500-520mm RHA

T-64B
hull: 510mm RHA
turret: 550mm RHA


T-80B
hull: 540mm RHA
turret: 540-630mm RHA (depend on angle)


As we can see - from frontal arc BASIC TOW and Dragoon where under those values
And this is pretty close to CIA estimatous about Dragoon and TOW effectivnes against soviet T-72 hit "upper bound" variant.
CIA assumed possibilities to kill T-72 from frontal arc by Dragoon and BASIC TOW on only 15-18%

And as we can see -in theory ITOW (1981) shoud perforate armour in T-72M1 (A), T-80B, T-64B, but...but placment ERA Kontakt-1 change this...
And make ITWO uneffective again...


To consideration about real SC perforation and tank armour.