MBAs, doctors, techies join IB to become 'spies'.

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  1. SafedSagar

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    NEW DELHI: Almost seven years after the deadly 26/11 Mumbai attacks, termed as the biggest intelligence failure of the country in recent times, India's prime internal security agency - Intelligence Bureau -- is finally regaining some of its allure.

    Information gathered by TOI from reliable sources in the government reveals that young boys and girls, from highly educated backgrounds - MBAs, advocates, IT specialists having qualifications like BE, BTech and MTech, accountants, science graduates and PGs, doctors and even pharma engineers -- are joining IB to become "spies".

    Some of them even bid adieu to their better paying careers as they claimed being an IB officer was more exciting and challenging. "A young boy even left his job where he was earning Rs 1.5 lakh per month to become an intelligence officer," said a top official.

    These youngsters, in the age-group of 18 to 27 years, from across states including Nagaland, Manipur, Telangana, Maharashtra, Delhi, Karnataka, J&K and others are more forthcoming towards the tough job and have shown great interest in gathering intelligence for national security.

    Not just that, a large number of young boys and girls from minorities have signed up lately for the IB.

    The new-age spies - boys and a large number of girls as well - are joining the IB as assistant central intelligence officers (ACIOs) Grade-II, a rank equivalent to a sub-inspector in police.

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    IPS officers make policies for securing the country from any threat emanating from terrorist organizations from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and other countries but ACIOs are the "foot soldiers" who work on the ground, in disguises and in hazardous and conflict zones. They collect secret information daily on possible terror threats, riots and internal strife in a community, or that posed by a union or a group/organization or individual that can be dangerous for the safety of the country.

    Explaining that intelligence gathering is one of the toughest jobs, especially in "hard zones" (disturbed/conflict areas), an officer said, "Being a field intelligence officer, ACIO, requires a lot of motivation and skills. At a time when militants are upgrading and new threats are emanating from the cyber world, the IB using age-old methods and people was not working."

    The ACIOs, who are posted in Subsidiary Intelligence Bureaus for two to five years and sometimes even longer, are trained initially for two years in the "tradecraft" of the IB - on how to penetrate a community, how to raise sources and contacts, how to use secret methods of surveillance, using foot surveillance, how to maintain a disguise, how to track a suspect without being caught, how to do counter intelligence and even defuse tensions before they escalate in a particular area. These youngsters also keep a watch on markets, stock prices, commodity prices and even the business community.

    "These are the boys and girls who are go-getters for the IB," said an official. "All they need is a telephone, a tele-printer and a computer and they send their daily reports to their local SIBs and headquarters. They are the eyes and ears of the government," said the officer.

    IB is the most vital arm in India for collecting information and intelligence assessment for the government. Over the years, the situation in IB, as explained by a senior officer who didn't wish to be named, had become worrisome as "quality intelligence was not being generated" and ACIOs worked in poor conditions. Hence, groups like Indian Mujahideen managed to spread their wings in the last 7-8 years and Pakistan-trained terrorists managed to attack Mumbai via the sea route in 2008, killing many Indians.

    The officer went on to say, "Intelligence Bureau's men on the ground don't get the kind of facilities Pakistan's ISI operatives have access to. What was happening for a long time was that IB officers on the ground filed their 'daily reports' like a routine with whatever limited information and knowledge they had from their area/sources. Sometimes, the alerts sent to the states were recycled and sufficient verification wasn't done or there was no coordination at the local SIB (Subsidiary Intelligence Bureau) level," the officer said.

    "The nationalist feeling comes in an ACIO when he/she is treated well," he said.

    However, the new blood has given fresh hopes to the IB even as threats from Islamic terror outfits including Lashkar-e-Toiba, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, al-Qaida, Sikh militants, militants from northeast and internal conflicts including Maoists and even 'cyber world' continue to grow.

    The new breed has more knowledge about national and international issues, they are better aware of technology, and they read a lot and have command over several languages.

    Subsequently, ACIOs now get good pay apart from other facilities. The IB has also started giving opportunity to new ACIOs to be posted in a SIB, which is either in their home state or close to it as being a local, an officer understands the issues and communities better and he/she can mix with locals easily and share 'daily reports' more easily.

    The ACIOs can reach up to the post of superintendent of police in the IB while serving during their lifetime, which rarely happens in police.

    A senior home ministry official confirmed that "the Narendra Modi government has put more focus on better intelligence officers on the ground and providing everything they need so that country has a safe environment".

    Though there is still a massive shortage of intelligence officers in India, efforts are on to woo youngsters to come forward to join the IB, so that it becomes among the best agencies in Asia.

    According to a reply in Parliament in 2013 filed by then minister of state for home R P N Singh, there was a shortage of around 8,000 officers in intelligence services of the country.

    He had said that IB had 18,795 personnel on its rolls, against a sanctioned strength of 26,867 — a shortfall of over 30%. Senior home ministry officials told TOI that the problem still persists but youngsters are now showing more interest in joining IB.

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    Very interesting and good news. Salute to these boys and girls.
     
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  3. Vishwarupa

    Vishwarupa Senior Member Senior Member

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    Thanks to Modi & his National Security Adviser Mr Ajith Doval for making the spy agencies glamours & interesting.
     
  4. Rashna

    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    I think CID on Sony has some contribution in this. I used to watch medical detectives on Discovery and for a while wanted to take up forensic science.
    The IB should collaborate with the TV Channels to start something which focuses on intelligence gathering... these can have a great impact on garnering future spies.
     
  5. SafedSagar

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    CID? :lawl::lawl: CID makes me choke myself. Its a comedy show. :lol:
    Medical detectives/Forensic Files was a kickass show no doubt.
     
  6. Rashna

    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    I don't watch CID but i know some grown up men who can't do without watching CID... the show has been going on for donkey's years because it is one of the most popular shows on SONY.
    It definitely creates interest in sleuthing if nothing else. lolz.
     
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    You mean to say that this cinematic excretion of epic proportions is responsible for the recruitment of well educated, smart and capable intelligence officers who will be responsible for the safety and well being of this country.

    Sounds legit.
     
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    Catch em young is all i am saying.... It definitely works in targeted enlisting in some professions which are lacking interest.


     
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    What entry level position do these recruits get hired for? The news says "Intelligence Officer", my guess is ACIO-II which is not a very high paying job (equivalent to rank of Sub Inspector). IB is a dream job for the lazy fellas, particularly when it is field job, away from boss' radar :laugh:
     
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    No it doesn't. I too have watched CID as a child, same goes for many others. CID is the least inspirational thing on TV, hell even Tarak Mehta forced me to be nicer to my neighbors, not that I achieved success in the said endeavor.

    Movies like "Prahaar" inspired kids and movies like "Hindustan ki Kasam" gave them cancer. You are rooting for the latter, unfortunately. :tongue2:
     
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    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Somebody has to do the dirty job too right? We can't go back to caste system, lol, so we might as well enlist some help from the world of make believe.

     
  12. aliyah

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    focus guys on IB.........now dont make it CID show:)
     
  13. aliyah

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    yes -|| ....
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  14. blueblood

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    What does CID (a very shitty TV show) & IB (a somewhat similiarly lazy org) have to do with "dirty job" and "caste system"? :shock::shock::shock:

    Sister, go easy on those vodkas, please.

    Well they are equally lazy and indifferent to their profession so why bother? :notsure:
     
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    I guess one of such highly intelligent recruit has joined DFI and trolling fulltoo since few months.

    Hey @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @Mad Indian @Rowdy and folks: We need to investigate who is this.

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    No man, these new recruits actually do the bulk of the work there. Its the middle level officers who are indifferent to their surroundings.

    Take my word for it. I have an excellent source.
     
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    yes but their rank is equivalent to sub inspector only.
     
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    You know this kind of imagination often leads to some unique solutions.. If IB wants to become a little famous the best way is to get on TV.
    Well the caste system provided a labour class for different savory unsavory jobs....
    Wat i am getting at is that sometimes countries have to enforce stuff like compulsory army enlistment because youth don't want to join the army..
    TV serials on such themes often make a mark on youngsters.
    It might then be easier to get youth to join such fields...
    BTW i am not a fan of CID but i have observed that it seems to satisfy the sherlock holmes in many people.


     
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    I guess, this was bound to be inevitable with a young population which is decently educated.(Engineering graduates, people with Masters in Computers).
    A generation which is comfortable using the computer. We Indians have an advantage. We speak English, though its not our native language.We also understand Hindi. Usually Indian's end up speaking 3-4 languages. Understanding data, mining data is also about understanding context.Data is nothing without context. The way, we as normal people follow twitter leads or dig out someone's facebook posts to find out their loyalty. This kind of stuff is something any tech savvy Indian can do now.Being able to understand the American way of life to the Russian way of doing things.. to the Israeli way of seeking revenge.As the article suggests, you get these kind of recruits as they are well read... thanks to google.

    Linking the lead with other data found and being able to see the bigger picture.I guess, this is the kind of basic stuff any spy is supossed to be able to do.Bring in ethical hackers and you have a cutting edge force on your side.I am glad someone is paying attention to details. That's how its done.
     
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    @Rashna, what do you think IB do? They are not exactly the killing machines, James Bond type people you are making them to be.

    Their is practically (almost) no "dirty job" for/in IB. Assassinations, abductions etc. are not their cup of tea. It's mostly RAW's and MI's and other agencies are responsible for handling the "dirty stuff".

    A significant portion of IB is allocated for political intelligence. This is their bread and butter. Becoming Jason Bourne is not. Exceptions are always there.

    "Kumar Vishwas" satisfies the the poetry lover in many(read teens and Aaptards) doesn't mean he is "Dinkar". If you get satisfied by Vishwas then you don't deserve Dinkar anyway.
     
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    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    The role of informants is very crucial in intelligence gathering... They may not be target killers or assassins but they would be involved in preventing terrorist plots from being successful... That said spying has no limits in the times we live in...
    Kumar Vishwas has been given poetic licence though :biggrin2:.... licence to kill maybe not...
    By the way has spying suddenly gained popularity after Mr.Doval became NSA?

     

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