Massive riots in Mexico over missing students

[t_co]

Recent protests in Mexico have escalated over the killing of 43 teachers' college students in a poor Mexican state

'Enough, I'm Tired' Comment Rallies Mexico Protest - ABC News

An off-the-cuff comment by the attorney general to cut off a news conference about the apparent killing of 43 missing college students has been taken up by protesters as a rallying cry against Mexico's corruption and drug trade-fueled violence.

During the session that was televised live Friday, Attorney General Jesus Murillo Karam announced that two suspects had led authorities to trash bags believed to contain the incinerated remains of the slain students, who haven't been seen since being led away by police in the southwestern town of Iguala on Sept. 26.

After an hour of speaking, Murillo Karam abruptly signaled for an end to questions by turning away from reporters and saying, "Ya me canse" — a phrase meaning "Enough, I'm tired."

Within hours, the phrase became a hashtag linking messages on Twitter and other social networks. It continued to trend globally Saturday and began to emerge in graffiti, in political cartoons and in video messages posted to YouTube.

Many turned the phrase on the attorney general: "Enough, I'm tired of Murillo Karam," says one. Another asks: "If you're tired, why don't you resign?"

Other people used it to vent their frustrations with messages such as "Enough, I'm tired of living in a narco state" or "Enough, I'm tired of corrupt politicians."

Mexicans have reacted with outrage to the disappearance of the students from a rural teachers college in Guerrero state and a government response that has failed to fully explain what happened. On Saturday, protesters burned several cars and trucks outside the governor's offices in Chilpancingo, the Guerrero capital where demonstrations over the students' disappearance have escalated into violence several times.

Apparently, the students had gone to the political rally of the state governor's wife to protest for higher funding for their college, which led the wife to ask her husband to "teach them a lesson". Somewhere along the way, things got out of hand and a miscommunication occurred; the 43 students were then systematically tracked down, kidnapped, cut into pieces, and burned.

The seeming apathy by the federal government over this crime has driven nationwide protests.

Protesters try to break into Mexico City's National Palace over apparent massacre of 43

MEXICO CITY (AFP) - A small group of protesters tried to break into Mexico City's National Palace late on Saturday during a demonstration over the apparent massacre of 43 students that has angered the nation. The protesters slammed metal barricades against the door and briefly set it on fire but could not get into the palace, which is mostly used by President Enrique Pena Nieto for ceremonies.

A redditor explains why this is the spark driving Mexicans to protest:

After a hour long news confrence which explained the whereabouts of what they believe is the students, killed and burned and tossed into bags into a river, the attorney general was heard saying, enough, am tired as reporters kept asking questions.

Tired.

Well Mexico´s innocent population, which for years have lived with goverment riff raff from the local state and federal level are "tired" of thier taxes being used by said riff raff to live high on the hog.

In every city, no matter the size, countless kids and teens and older folks ply the street trade.

Begging for money from passing cars. Selling trinkets or washing winshields or doing a dance while the light turns green.

While Mexicos politicans have conventions at hotels with 5 star service.

Mexican politicians who wear expensive suits and shoes and new cars where they are driven back and forth from expensive apartements, paid by the taxes earn by tired Mexicans who make less than 6 US bucks a day.

Mexico is tired of the violence that has no end in sight with politicians in bed with cartel money.

Where justice is paid out to the highest bidder.

Where a corrupt teacher union boss, though caught stealing millions from teachers pensions funds, sits cozy for almost 2 years in a nice prison hospital with all the best care for her, while the normal prison population lives in huddled concrete shacks.

How tired Mexico is from all the police who demand kickbacks for protecting business and your person.

Chiefs of police in everytown it seems have been bought and paid for by cartel money. So most Mexicans dont even bother to call the cops when something bad happens.

Like bodies being burnt to a crisp, and open pits where dozens are found, headless bodies thrown over overpasses.

Heads with no bodies parked in line in front of a 7 11.

Mexicans are tired to see that so often that it has become the daily news that numb.

Mexico is tired also of elections where hopefull candidates are painted as commies and a danger to Mexico, when they are one of the only honest candidates, and have their elections stolen with the blessing of US and world media.

Mexico cant be tired enough of whats going on in daily life, where the struggle to live in peace and without attracting attention from those evil monsters who live to create havoc in others lives, like those 43 students burned alive, simply because they wanted to protest poor conditions at their poor school.

And Mexicans are pretty tired of having Mexicos goverment held up as a shiney example of democracy when their are no run off elections and a president of Mexico can win with only 38% of the electoral vote.

A minority always wins Mexicos elections, shafting the majorities wants and needs for the few.

Mexico the NAFTA pal that seems can do no wrong so that the US goverment continues to fund a out of control drug war, sending weapons and ammo and DEA FBI CIA and a cornacopia of advisors for years and have things only get worse.

Not better, and that pretty tireing.

Having drug capos fall yet nothing stops their influence and violence.

Their money flows to all levels of society and corrupts everything.

Mexico is so tired of that.

But is being tired enough for Mexico?

Can it change from beng tired to being fired up to change Mexico for the better?

In four years another chance for change for the one candidate that is hated by the tired old Mexican system of doing things, is running again.

3 times he has run, and that ONE honest politician who is condemend as a leftist monster by the press, the ONE Mexican politician with a proven track record of being able to handle the violence and poverty and jobs issue in Mexico city, making that city a small bright spot in the whole of Mexico, that politician Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador will once again take to the streets of tired Mexico.

2018 will be Mexicos chance to change its tired way of doing things and finally elect a Mexican politician who is also tired of Mexico being the same tired old corrupt violence prone land, the ONE honest politician who has the plans and the proven record to change Mexico from being tired to being safe and productive for everyone.

And though its not enough for one honest politician to change tired Mexico, its a foot in the door toward real change.

Because tired old Mexico is getting fed up with things as they are and never getting better.

And if change cant come in a peacefull way, Mexicans will be tired enough to find another way not so peacefull.

 

[Free Karma]

Political protests, that are being squashed, and the students missing? This sounds a lot like what China does in Tibet.

 

[t_co]

Political protests, that are being squashed, and the students missing? This sounds a lot like what China does in Tibet.

But when China does it in Tibet, you have at least a dozen western media outlets covering it

When this shit goes haywire in Mexico, we hear silence.

Also, there have been no abductions in Tibet of this magnitude since the 1970s.

 

[Singh]

@Free Karma this thread is not about China, please don't derail the thread or flamebait @t_co

 

[sorcerer]

Recent protests in Mexico have escalated over the killing of 43 teachers' college students in a poor Mexican state (think Bihar).

'Enough, I'm Tired' Comment Rallies Mexico Protest - ABC News
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@Singh
Sure, Its not about China but Mexico. But sir, What has BIhar (an Indian state) has to do with the Mexico incident?
I think that must have started the flaimbait or whatever.

Just an observation mate.

 

[Singh]

@Singh
Sure, Its not about China but Mexico. But sir, What has BIhar (an Indian state) has to do with the Mexico incident?
I think that must have started the flaimbait or whatever.

Just an observation mate.

Good catch bruv.

@t_co don't be sneaky pal, not cool.

 

[sorcerer]

Good catch bruv.

@t_co don't be sneaky pal, not cool.

Its Chinese, what can you expect other than deception, sneaks and, peeks. Its hardwired in them
Anytime Sir, Lets keep the deceivers at bay!!! :cool2:

 

[Free Karma]

@Free Karma this thread is not about China, please don't derail the thread or flamebait @t_co

As @sorcerer mentioned, it was the "think Bihar" ,that was not really needed

 

[t_co]

@sorcerer, @Singh, @Free Karma

The Bihar reference was a way to make the events presented more relatable to an Indian audience. If this was a Chinese forum I would have said Henan or Anhui or Guizhou. There was no offense intended.

Back to the topic at hand, what would be the impact on India's security environment if Mexico descended into civil war and the US became embroiled in it?

 

[Sylex21]

The Bihar reference was a way to make the events presented more relatable to an Indian audience. If this was a Chinese forum I would have said Henan or Anhui or Guizhou. There was no offense intended.

Back to the topic at hand, what would be the impact on India's security environment if Mexico descended into civil war and the US became embroiled in it?

It would have very little impact on India's security environment if any at all. Even if Mexico broke out into civil war, the USA is unlikely to get very involved and would wait it out. Large sections of Mexico have been dominated by various cartels for years and the US response has been relatively minimal until it spills across the boarder.

 

[t_co]

It would have very little impact on India's security environment if any at all. Even if Mexico broke out into civil war, the USA is unlikely to get very involved and would wait it out. Large sections of Mexico have been dominated by various cartels for years and the US response has been relatively minimal until it spills across the boarder.

True - but many cartels have their narcotics end markets in the US. If many of the cartels began large-scale hostilities south of the border (as opposed to the current sniping and assassinations), what would prevent their affiliates from extending the fight north of it?

In addition, there is a massive Hispanic population in the United States, tens of millions of which are naturalized citizens that vote. They would represent a powerful lobby for US intervention if their relatives across the border were being slaughtered.

Finally, civil conflicts across a border (or their big brother, governmental collapse) can and often do result in refugee and weapons smuggling issues. How could the US govt manage those problems absent military intervention?

 

[sorcerer]

@sorcerer, @Singh, @Free Karma

The Bihar reference was a way to make the events presented more relatable to an Indian audience. If this was a Chinese forum I would have said Henan or Anhui or Guizhou. There was no offense intended.

Back to the topic at hand, what would be the impact on India's security environment if Mexico descended into civil war and the US became embroiled in it?

India has her policy of NOT interfering in the state affairs and internal affairs of another country. Going by it India would be another bystander. If USA become embroiled in it, its their problem; In my opinion USA has enough expertise in knocking out situations unfavourable for them.

True - but many cartels have their narcotics end markets in the US. If many of the cartels began large-scale hostilities south of the border (as opposed to the current sniping and assassinations), what would prevent their affiliates from extending the fight north of it?

In addition, there is a massive Hispanic population in the United States, tens of millions of which are naturalized citizens that vote. They would represent a powerful lobby for US intervention if their relatives across the border were being slaughtered.

Finally, civil conflicts across a border (or their big brother, governmental collapse) can and often do result in refugee and weapons smuggling issues. How could the US govt manage those problems absent military intervention?

USA has its fair share of controllers inside the narcotics business chain. USA has always proteced their intersts with higher degree of jealousy. A few more snipings and assasinations , or large scale drug hunts will send the message home loud and clear; that they can do what ever in mexico, but stay clear of 'democracy' and politics in USA.

Your second assumption itself has the answer. They are naturalized citizens of USA who vote. They have to stay with the Govt of USA propaganda and its fallout if US decides to take matter into its own hands in Mexico or risk going back into own land into chaos and nonexistence.

USA has a more aggressive stand on dealing with Cross border smuggling. What we hear in media represents just a very small fraction of the actual intercept by USA at its border, be it drugs, illegal migrants. USA has expertise and know how in managing large scale refugee populace at war. They wouldnt even mind putting the refugees in holding pen forever.

I dont think USA would interfere their military in managing refugee problems or arms smuggling. They have their own well equipped depts to take care of specific issues which culminate from across is border.

 

[Ray]

But when China does it in Tibet, you have at least a dozen western media outlets covering it

When this shit goes haywire in Mexico, we hear silence.

Also, there have been no abductions in Tibet of this magnitude since the 1970s.

Protests in Mexico after claims of Guerrero student deaths
BBC News - Protests in Mexico after claims of Guerrero student deaths

'Enough': Mexican AG's Gaffe in Case of Missing Students Sparks Viral Fury
'Enough': Mexican AG's Gaffe in Case of Missing Students Sparks Viral Fury - NBC News

The above are examples that the world has not been sleeping or silent.

Even Indian newspapers are carrying the news.

Just Google and check,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ooop! I forget that Google is a taboo in China.

 

[Sylex21]

True - but many cartels have their narcotics end markets in the US. If many of the cartels began large-scale hostilities south of the border (as opposed to the current sniping and assassinations), what would prevent their affiliates from extending the fight north of it?

In addition, there is a massive Hispanic population in the United States, tens of millions of which are naturalized citizens that vote. They would represent a powerful lobby for US intervention if their relatives across the border were being slaughtered.

Finally, civil conflicts across a border (or their big brother, governmental collapse) can and often do result in refugee and weapons smuggling issues. How could the US govt manage those problems absent military intervention?

-Usually it is not a direct expansion of the cartel on both sides of the boarder. The cartels work with various groups who project their interests north of the boarder and when US law enforcement cracks down it usually targets the groups in America, choking off the cartels.
-There is a massive Hispanic population in the USA but they have not been very successful in creating a powerful lobby as of yet. They also seem far more concerned with illegal immigrant amnesty programs and immigration reform, than what is occurring in Mexico politically.
-the US government has already had massive experience dealing with narcotics, weapons and most important of all to the USA illegal immigrant smuggling into the USA, so they are some what prepared for it already.

-I'm not saying the US government wouldn't be tempted to get involved in all situations, but it is much more likely to manage the chaos in Mexico or push it in one direction or another with minimal involvement.
-the Americans currently have a large influence on Mexican cartels using a small number of special forces as well as providing training and funding for special Mexican police units, they would most likely just increase that.
-Mexico as a whole isn't all that unstable, it does have a large problem with narcotics and cartels because it is a gateway into the USA, but the chances of an all out civil war are really low.

-I live in Texas, so get a good bit of news on Mexico which is very close by.