Massive riots in Mexico over missing students

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  1. t_co

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    Recent protests in Mexico have escalated over the killing of 43 teachers' college students in a poor Mexican state

    'Enough, I'm Tired' Comment Rallies Mexico Protest - ABC News

    Apparently, the students had gone to the political rally of the state governor's wife to protest for higher funding for their college, which led the wife to ask her husband to "teach them a lesson". Somewhere along the way, things got out of hand and a miscommunication occurred; the 43 students were then systematically tracked down, kidnapped, cut into pieces, and burned.

    The seeming apathy by the federal government over this crime has driven nationwide protests.

    Protesters try to break into Mexico City's National Palace over apparent massacre of 43

    A redditor explains why this is the spark driving Mexicans to protest:

     
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    Political protests, that are being squashed, and the students missing? This sounds a lot like what China does in Tibet.
     
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    But when China does it in Tibet, you have at least a dozen western media outlets covering it

    When this shit goes haywire in Mexico, we hear silence.

    Also, there have been no abductions in Tibet of this magnitude since the 1970s.
     
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    @Free Karma this thread is not about China, please don't derail the thread or flamebait @t_co
     
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    @Singh
    Sure, Its not about China but Mexico. But sir, What has BIhar (an Indian state) has to do with the Mexico incident?
    I think that must have started the flaimbait or whatever.

    Just an observation mate.
     
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    Good catch bruv.

    @t_co don't be sneaky pal, not cool.
     
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    Its Chinese, what can you expect other than deception, sneaks and, peeks. Its hardwired in them :rolleyes:
    Anytime Sir, Lets keep the deceivers at bay!!! :cool2:
     
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    As @sorcerer mentioned, it was the "think Bihar" ,that was not really needed :)
     
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    @sorcerer, @Singh, @Free Karma

    The Bihar reference was a way to make the events presented more relatable to an Indian audience. If this was a Chinese forum I would have said Henan or Anhui or Guizhou. There was no offense intended.

    Back to the topic at hand, what would be the impact on India's security environment if Mexico descended into civil war and the US became embroiled in it?
     
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    It would have very little impact on India's security environment if any at all. Even if Mexico broke out into civil war, the USA is unlikely to get very involved and would wait it out. Large sections of Mexico have been dominated by various cartels for years and the US response has been relatively minimal until it spills across the boarder.
     
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    True - but many cartels have their narcotics end markets in the US. If many of the cartels began large-scale hostilities south of the border (as opposed to the current sniping and assassinations), what would prevent their affiliates from extending the fight north of it?

    In addition, there is a massive Hispanic population in the United States, tens of millions of which are naturalized citizens that vote. They would represent a powerful lobby for US intervention if their relatives across the border were being slaughtered.

    Finally, civil conflicts across a border (or their big brother, governmental collapse) can and often do result in refugee and weapons smuggling issues. How could the US govt manage those problems absent military intervention?
     
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    India has her policy of NOT interfering in the state affairs and internal affairs of another country. Going by it India would be another bystander. If USA become embroiled in it, its their problem; In my opinion USA has enough expertise in knocking out situations unfavourable for them.

    USA has its fair share of controllers inside the narcotics business chain. USA has always proteced their intersts with higher degree of jealousy. A few more snipings and assasinations , or large scale drug hunts will send the message home loud and clear; that they can do what ever in mexico, but stay clear of 'democracy' and politics in USA.

    Your second assumption itself has the answer. They are naturalized citizens of USA who vote. They have to stay with the Govt of USA propaganda and its fallout if US decides to take matter into its own hands in Mexico or risk going back into own land into chaos and nonexistence.

    USA has a more aggressive stand on dealing with Cross border smuggling. What we hear in media represents just a very small fraction of the actual intercept by USA at its border, be it drugs, illegal migrants. USA has expertise and know how in managing large scale refugee populace at war. They wouldnt even mind putting the refugees in holding pen forever.

    I dont think USA would interfere their military in managing refugee problems or arms smuggling. They have their own well equipped depts to take care of specific issues which culminate from across is border.
     
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    The above are examples that the world has not been sleeping or silent.

    Even Indian newspapers are carrying the news.

    Just Google and check,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Ooop! I forget that Google is a taboo in China.
     
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    -Usually it is not a direct expansion of the cartel on both sides of the boarder. The cartels work with various groups who project their interests north of the boarder and when US law enforcement cracks down it usually targets the groups in America, choking off the cartels.
    -There is a massive Hispanic population in the USA but they have not been very successful in creating a powerful lobby as of yet. They also seem far more concerned with illegal immigrant amnesty programs and immigration reform, than what is occurring in Mexico politically.
    -the US government has already had massive experience dealing with narcotics, weapons and most important of all to the USA illegal immigrant smuggling into the USA, so they are some what prepared for it already.

    -I'm not saying the US government wouldn't be tempted to get involved in all situations, but it is much more likely to manage the chaos in Mexico or push it in one direction or another with minimal involvement.
    -the Americans currently have a large influence on Mexican cartels using a small number of special forces as well as providing training and funding for special Mexican police units, they would most likely just increase that.
    -Mexico as a whole isn't all that unstable, it does have a large problem with narcotics and cartels because it is a gateway into the USA, but the chances of an all out civil war are really low.

    -I live in Texas, so get a good bit of news on Mexico which is very close by.
     

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