Massive Protest in Hong Kong against China

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ok ....which Generating Station??? specificly.....

like me when i m saying indians crashed so many mig-21s i can actually show u lots of things(like where and when) to back up my claims.....u need my links i can show u.....but now.....i need your authentic links......

u know....in china to say what is right and wrong is for kids to do while to prove whats right and wrong is for growups.....i asume in india its the same.....
 

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We are going OT and huaxia rox is doing a good job as per the directions given to him by the CCP to derail this thread.

OT posts will be deleted!


Hopefully we shall be told as to why Hong Kong Chinese are so against the Communist Mainland Chinese.
 

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what brainwashing???what difference???answer me 1st....

anyway any brainwashing should be a concern.....the problem is who is brainwashed.....

and difference....u r saying prc and india r treating pakistan differently right??i agree....and i m not denying there r terrorists coming from pakistan to help ETIM but its not the fault of pakistani gov.....we need to cooperate so they can get wiped out.....we never blamed pakistani gov.....while indians even blamed pakistani gov for the creation of IM.......difference???yes....
You people have no freaking clue about Pakistan.

You just wait and watch. There is a saying - "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". All said and done, Pakistan is the national equivalent of a cheap whore. You will face their petty clawing and scratching very soon in the future. The "Lal Masjid" incident was just a small sample for you. One day you will understand what we are saying.
 

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You are one hell of a nut. Did you come out of a mental asylum?
For how long can you have one single coherent thought? :troll:

Lets try again...
What do you think was so serious in HK that they took to street?
there should be no brainwashing no matter from the chinese gov or the former UK.....so it could be very serious if there were.

u and your friends keep saying chinese r brainshed or i m brainwashed.....and u r asking the question of hong kong.....so i dont know which brainwashing r u talking about.....
 
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To help people understand the relationship of Hong Kong with China here is an article from Asia Times.

I am sure that will help the discussion

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AN ATOL SPECIAL REPORT
China addicted to Hong Kong's 'opium'



HONG KONG - In an analogy, Hong Kong can be likened to a small cat and mainland China to a giant tiger, when compared by their geographical size and economic strength. Interestingly, the analogy may remind one of a popular Chinese fable. It goes like this:
In the Middle Kingdom, people believe that, in the beginning, the tiger was weak and clumsy though big in physique, while the cat was smart, agile and skillful in capturing prey, albeit small. Despite the differences, the two were good friends.

So one day, the tiger asked the cat to teach him kung fu. The cat agreed and was patient in teaching the tiger, which gradually learned how to stalk, run, jump, roll, grasp, tear, and strike as well as the cat. The tiger thought he had already learned all kung fu techniques from the cat, and an idea came to his mind: "I'm so much bigger than the cat. I will become peerless if I can get rid of this small cat."

So one day when the cat was taking a nap, the tiger stood up and approached the cat viciously. Just as that moment, the cat opened up its eyes, immediately realized what the tiger was trying to do, and swiftly climbed up to the top of a tall tree. "I have kept the last technique of the tree climbing from you just in case," the cat loudly told the tiger, which watched under the tree helplessly.
The first part of this fable may be said to vividly describe the relationship between Hong Kong and mainland China. It is a fact that in the past three decades mainland China has learned all the techniques from Hong Kong for building a capitalist-style free-wheeling market economy. Given its size and with its success, the mainland has inevitably become stronger and more powerful - to the point where it is now the world's second-largest economy.

The second part of the story may not be accurate is but relevant to the relationship between Hong Kong and the mainland. China's taking back Hong Kong in 1997 was non-violent and legitimate, as it was internationally recognized. However, many in Hong Kong still think that the city, like the cat in the fable, has reserved some things to enable itself to keep away from the tiger: in particular, the rule of law and freedom. This will also be at Beijing's mercy when its commitment to "one country, two systems" expires in 2047, but that will be another story.

Here we'd like to examine how the mainland, the tiger, has learned from the cat, Hong Kong, how to develop a market economy.

When Deng Xiaoping initiated his economic reform and opening up in late 1970s, he apparently thought of Hong Kong as a model for economic (not political) development, as he said later in 1988: "Now there is one Hong Kong; we must create several more 'Hong Kongs' on the mainland. That is, we must further open up." [1]

To lure foreign investment and learn about the operation of capitalism, Deng approved the establishment of four Special Economic Zones (SEZs) in 1980: Shenzhen, bordering Hong Kong; Zhuhai, bordering Macau; Shantou, in east Guangdong (with an eye on attracting investment from overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia); and Xiamen, in Fujian (to attract investment from Taiwan). Shenzhen SEZ is by far the most successful, largely because of its proximity to Hong Kong.

At the initial stage of economic reform and opening up, for the purpose of capital accumulation, China had also learned from Hong Kong to introduce foreign-invested, re-export-oriented, labor-intensive processing industries.

At that time, Hong Kong's processing industries began to suffer from increasing land and labor costs, so investors there were happy to move their factories across the border. At the peak time in 1980s and 1990s, it was estimated that there were about 100,000 Hong Kong-invested re-export enterprises, mostly small or medium-sized, in Shenzhen and the rest of the Pearl River Delta area.

Hong Kong investment brought into the mainland not only capital but also, more importantly, knowledge of modern management and trade, which helped China to build up a legal system governing foreign investment and trade to enable the country to further open up to the world.

Furthermore, Hong Kong also served as a model for China to privatize its property sector. In the early 1990s, Beijing decided to privatize the country's property sector (until then all housing was virtually state owned), but it faced a dilemma: China insisted at that time and still insists today that it is a socialist country.

The core of socialism is public ownership, so under the Chinese constitution all land belongs to the state. To privatize housing property would mean to abandon socialism, but without privatizing the real estate sector, China's market-oriented economic reform and opening up would stand stagnant as a private property sector is an important part of a market economy.

In this regard, colonial Hong Kong's system provided a perfect solution for socialist China. Under British colonial rule, most of the land in Hong Kong belonged to the "Crown". One could only rent, or buy the right to use a land lot, from the "Crown" for a certain period of time, and a land premium had to be paid if one wanted to continue to use it after the original contract expired. Thus selling and reselling the land-use rights became an important source of financial income for Hong Kong government. The system continues today.

It can be said literally that Beijing has simply copied Hong Kong's land system in its privatization of the property sector. Today in China, if you say you have bought a piece of land, it actually means you have bought the right to use that piece of land for a certain period of time, for legally all land still belongs to the state. Likewise, when one buys a house or flat in a building, one does not own the land (proportionally in the case of owning a flat) on which the house or building is erected.

But there is a fatal defect in Hong Kong's land system. During colonial times, the British simply saw Hong Kong as a "borrowed place" for some "borrowed time", so they did not care about long-term development. With limited sources of income, the design of the land system enabled the British Hong Kong government to have sufficient income to sustain its operation.

I need my (land) fix
In practice, it proves much easier for a city government to produce income by selling public land than collecting taxes or making efforts to create other sources of income.

But this also proves addictive - like "opium". Inherited from the British, today's Hong Kong government still has heavily relies on land premiums as its main source of income. The more it increases spending on social welfare under growing populist pressures, the more it has to rely on property development unless it can create other sources of income.

Nowadays, we see governments of many cities in mainland China also become addicted to this Hong Kong-style disposal of land. Many cities rely on land premium incomes to build subways and other infrastructure projects. It is too tempting not to do so. The more a city government spends, the more it has to rely on land premium income. Given China's autocratic system, it is much easier for a city government to take back a land lot from people who live or farm on it with little compensation. In this regard it can be said "the pupil excels the teacher".

But this has resulted, as widely reported, in abuse of power, injustice, corruption and skyrocketing housing prices. From this perspective, it is also not hard to understand why city governments are resistant to Beijing's repeated tough orders to bring down housing prices, for a downturn in the property market would mean less land premium income for a city government.

Now seems to be the time for the mainland to reform its land system to get rid of that "opium" - or defect - imported from Hong Kong. China is such a huge country with such a huge population and so many cities, it must not run a property market like Hong Kong.

Hong Kong may have provided many good examples of economic development for China. It is time for Beijing to draw a lesson from Hong Kong's bitter experience of making property development the "pillar industry" of the city.

Asia Times Online :: China addicted to Hong Kong's 'opium'
 

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there should be no brainwashing no matter from the chinese gov or the former UK.....so it could be very serious if there were.

u and your friends keep saying chinese r brainshed or i m brainwashed.....and u r asking the question of hong kong.....so i dont know which brainwashing r u talking about.....
I did not ask you whether any one should be brainwashed or not. I asked you this.

What do you think was so serious in HK that they took to street?

You haven't replied to my question yet.
 

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The myth of a free Hong Kong economy

By Eddie Leung and Pepe Escobar
This is the first article in a three-part report

HONG KONG - Open any standard economic textbook and look for the definition of a free economy; its key characteristic is the lack of government intervention. Less state intervention means a freer market.

On this standard, Hong Kong has been hailed as the world's freest economy for more than two decades. But is this the whole truth? What if the main sectors of the whole economy are dominated by a few oligopolies or even a virtual monopoly?

Let's look at the hypothetical case of Mr and Mrs Chan, an average Hong Kong household. Both Mr and Mrs Chan are senior-level employees of the Hong Kong government and earn a total monthly salary of HK$85,000 (US$10,900).

The Chan family bought a 800 square feet (74 square meters) flat from Cheung Kong (owned by the richest local tycoon, Li Ka-Shing) and has to pay a mortgage of HK$30,000 a month. The couple subscribes to the 3shop mobile phone service, a subsidiary of Hutchison Whampoa (also owned by Li) and pay a monthly service fee of HK$2,000.

Wherever they go to buy their daily necessities, they use Park'n Shop (a supermarket chain owned by Li), where they spend about HK$5,000 every month.

Whenever the Chan family pays their electricity bill (HK$1,000 per month), it goes to Hong Kong Electricity (again owned by Li). For pharmaceutical products, they go to Watsons (again owned by Li), and they spend HK$2,000.

Let's say the couple wants to purchase the latest LCD monitor for their son; they buy it from Fortress (still owned by Li). The couple subscribes to the paid TV service of NOW for HK$1,000 a month. This time the service is not owned by Li himself, but rather Richard Li, his youngest son.

One might ask: how come that almost half of what Mr and Mrs Chan earn contribute to the coffers of Li Ka-shing? Do we really want to call this the freest economy in the world, or even a free economy?

A gilded cage?
In every poll, Hong Kong is invariably ranked as among or the most expensive city in Asia - usually behind Japanese megalopolises like Tokyo and Osaka. It's at least the fifth-priciest in the world to own a home; [1] the second priciest to rent an apartment; [2] and Queen's Road Central and Canton Road are the second costliest for retail space. [3]

This is due to what is informally known in Hong Kong as a "high land price policy".

The mirror image of this policy is, inevitably, inequality. Hong Kong boasts some of the world's top billionaires, such as Li Ka-shing, the Kwok brothers and Lee Shau-Kee. At the same time no less than 18% of the city's seven million residents lived below the poverty line in 2011 - which was measured as HK$7,000 for a three-person household per month, according to the Hong Kong Council of Social Service. [4] About 100,000 people lived in dreaded cage or cubicle homes last year. [5] This may be a sensationalist approach, but the photos do tell the story. [6]

For all the glitz and glamour that dazzle not only global tourism but also, especially, mainland Chinese tourists, the median monthly income of a local household with four members is approximately HK$14,000, according to the Hong Kong Council of Social Service.

After a lengthy battle, a new minimum wage was approved. There were rivers of speculation on what would be a decent number - from HK$30 to HK$35 an hour. The approved figure in May 2011 was a paltry HK$28.

After the 2008 global financial crisis, Hong Kong's much vaunted economic recovery is essentially based on revenues from Chinese tourism and property investment. A trickle-down effect is not exactly in place; it's more like "rental-push" inflation, as Hong University researchers call it. Mainland Chinese gobble up at least 40% of new home sales. No wonder; property investment qualifies as the easiest path to get a much coveted Hong Kong resident card.

The land of the free
For the Heritage Foundation is a matter of routine to rank Hong Kong as the freest economy in the world - with a whopping overall score of 89.9 compared with a world average of 59.5. [7] This Milton-Friedmanesque paradise is extolled for "small government, low taxes and light regulation".

Much is made of "business freedom" and "labor freedom". True - you can open a business in three days; you just need a Hong Kong ID, a form and US$350. But depending on the business, you will be squeezed by monopolies and oligopolies in no time. And if you are "labor", chances are in most cases you can only aspire to some sort of glorified slavery.

Heritage researchers may be excused for losing the plot between dinners at the Mandarin Oriental and partying in Lan Kwai Fong, both favored drinking and dining spots near the central business district. Behind all those luxury malls and the best bottles of Margaux, real life Hong Kong has absolutely nothing to do with a free economy encouraging competition on a level playing field. It's more like a rigged game.

The dark secret at the heart of Hong Kong is the unmitigated collusion between the government and a property cartel - controlled by just a few tycoons; the Lis, the Kwoks, the Lees, the Chengs, the Pao and Woo duo, and the Kadoories (more about them on part 2 of this report). These tycoons and their close business associates also happen to dominate seats on the 1,200-member Election Committee that chooses Hong Kong's chief executive.

The first thing to keep in mind is that for any Chinese, land is wealth. That's sacred. And nowhere else this is more sacred than in Hong Kong.

Alice Poon is - or used to be - an insider; she was a personal assistant to Kwok Tak-seng, the legendary founder of Sun Hung Kai Properties, Hong Kong's giant developer. She also worked for the Robert Kuok group, responsible for land and property evaluation and acquisition. She now lives in Canada and blogs at the Asia Sentinel. [8]

In Land and the Ruling Class in Hong Kong (Enrich Professional Publishing, Singapore, 2011), Poon demonstrates how the Heritage Foundation's hard-on for government laissez faire is in fact mixed with an extremely non-competitive business environment. It all boils down to who really runs the show in Hong Kong; a group of cross-sector corporate giants controlling the property market, electricity, gas, the public buses and ferries, and the supermarkets (see them in detail in part 2 of this report).

The common denominator is that virtually all of them started with property - and then progressively gobbled up utility and public service companies.

Here are just a few examples of this cross-sector frenzy.
Cheung Kong Holdings buying Hutchison Whampoa in 1979 - a monster conglomerate involved in myriad businesses, among them the Park'n Shop supermarket chain.
Sun Hung Kai Properties controlling the Kowloon Motor Bus operator.
Lee Shau-Kee accumulating shares in The Hong Kong and China Gas - the town gas monopoly - before the company was listed in 1981.
Hutchison Whampoa buying Hongkong Electric - one of the two electricity duopolies - in 1985.
New World Development being awarded the Hong Kong public bus routes franchise in 1998 and buying Hong Kong Ferry in 2000.
The Pacific Century Cyberworks (PCCW) takeover of Hong Kong Telecom in 2000, masterminded by Richard Li, the younger son of Cheung Kong Holdings chairman Li Ka-shing, the wealthiest Chinese in the world.


The bottom line is that major utilities and public services are in the hands of just a few players; the Lis of the Cheung Kong/Hutchison group; the Kwoks of Sun Hung Kai Properties; the Lees of the Henderson group; the Chengs of New World Development; the Pao and Woo of the Wharf/Wheelock group; and the Kadoories of the CLP Holdings group.

Today, there are 49 constituent companies in the Hang Seng Index, which represent nearly 70% of total capitalization of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. Taking away heavyweight Chinese state-owned enterprises such as China Mobil, China Unicom, PetroChina, Sinopec, ICBC, China Construction Bank, Bank of China, China Life, etc (which account for more than half of the total capitalization), and Britain's HSBC, the Hang Seng Index is dominated by local companies of property development tycoons such as Li Ka-shing's Cheung Kong Holdings, Hutchison Whampoa and Power Assets; the Kwok family's Sun Hung Kai Properties; Lee Shau Kee's Henderson Land Development and Hong Kong and China Gas; as well as other property developers such as Sino Land, New World, Hang Lung Properties, and Warf (Holdings).

This amounts to roughly six families controlling virtually all of Hong Kong's economic sectors. And it will stay like this. The Chinese tradition of passing the family fortune from generation to generation amounts to what Poon derides as an "antiquated feudal system".

There's nothing "free market" about Hong Kong's major utility/public service companies. On the contrary; they are monopolies or oligopolies. The two supermarket chains - Park'n Shop and Wellcome - have no less than 70% of market share. City Super is owned by Japanese - but that's an upscale brand, with only a few locations, and out of reach for most Hongkongers.

Park'n Shop and Wellcome consolidated their dominance essentially by pricing smaller companies out of the market; they could easily afford it. Park'n Shop is the retail/food division of A S Watson, which is part of the Hutchison/Cheung Kong conglomerate. Wellcome is part of the Jardines/Hong Kong Land group. So no wonder, for instance, a Park'n Shop outlet is in or around every building developed by Hutchison or Cheung Kong.

A measure of their power is that France's Carrefour - the second-largest global supermarket chain - tried to break into the Hong Kong market in 1996. They gave up four years later.

Born to lose
We should be back again to a Chinese maxim: land is power. All the conglomerates controlled by Hong Kong tycoons are fattened on owning land. The local government is the sole supplier of land. So no wonder it keeps a vested interest in the property market - and that's a huge understatement - as it pockets fortunes from land sales and premiums on so-called "lease modifications".

As for the maxim that prevails across the city's property market cycles, it's always been the same: "Buy low and sell high".

This doesn't work for the public good - to say the least. A good example is the Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hong Kong express rail link, which is bound to be the most expensive in the world, costing US$8.6 billion - partly because of choosing to build the terminus at West Kowloon. There was a cheaper and perhaps better alternative - to build the terminus at Kam Sheung Road on MTR's West Rail. But it was overruled because of, as some critics suspected, shady land speculation interests in West Kowloon.

The whole situation is in fact inherited from the British colonial era, when the British hongs such as Jardines, Hong Kong Land, Wheelock Marden, Swire and Hutchison controlled Hong Kong's economy - and prime urban space. This Holy Grail was beyond the reach of Chinese companies.

But then, from the late 1960s up to the mid-1970s, the hongs started to get rid of their land and property as China plunged into chaos during Mao's final years. At the same time, Cheung Kong, Sun Hung Kai, New World Development and others started using the stock market to raise funds.

But it was only by the mid-1980s that British companies were finally gobbled up by the likes of Li Ka-shing and Y K Pao. When the Sino-British Joint Declaration was signed in December 1984, sealing the 1997 handover, they finally hit the jackpot.

The champagne popped all around Paragraph 4 of Annex III of the Joint Declaration; it limited the amount of land that could be granted in Hong Kong in any one year to just 50 hectares. That also paved the way for a Land Commission, which could grant extra land when the ceiling was attained. Essentially this set up guaranteed that land in Hong Kong would always be in short supply - thus it would always be expensive. Ergo, the perennially high property prices.

The mantra of the previous two Hong Kong administrations under "one country, two systems" - by Tung Chee-Hwa and Donald Tsang - was not to deviate from a high land price policy; keep a tight land supply; and postpone the introduction of a competition law (more on this on the second part of this report). There's no evidence this would change much under new Chief Executive C Y Leung.

The absurdly high rents in Hong Kong - derived from high land prices - hurt most of all local businesses, and prevent Hong Kong from attracting more foreign investment. If Heritage Foundation researchers didn't get it, they were probably researching some island in the South China Sea.

Everything that revolves around land represents the main underlying cause for industrial and economic concentration in Hong Kong. When property prices and rents are that high, they contribute to high living and business costs. Wealth disparity gets out of control - the key popular grudge of anyone who is not a millionaire in Hong Kong. [9]

The average Hongkonger - whose median household monthly income is US$1,800, much less than our fictional Mr and Mrs Chan - not only is bound to lose in the property game but also gets to pay high prices for basic daily necessities.

Hong Kong's very simple tax structure - 15% for individuals, 16.5% for corporations - may have been OK for its early stages of economic development. Now that Hong Kong is relatively wealthy in annual GDP per capita terms (over US$45,000), but with a large proportion of its population living below the poverty line, it doesn't make sense anymore.

It's enlightening to note that this average annual per capita GDP figure is double the annual household income of an average Hongkonger.

The bottom line points to a fact that should make the local ruling elite - not to mention Beijing - quite uncomfortable. Without a real democratic government, elected by Hong Kong people, there's no way Hong Kong will ever reform its land and tax system. The "freest" economy in the world will continue to be a battle pitting a wealthy oligarchy against a large majority essentially struggling for survival.

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Huaxia Rox and others, please stick to the topic of protests in hong kong. There are other existing threads to talk about power failure in India. Any more OT posts will be deleted, if persisted will be infarcted.
 

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I did not ask you whether any one should be brainwashed or not. I asked you this.

What do you think was so serious in HK that they took to street?

You haven't replied to my question yet.
Valid question.

I am equally intrigued since the Chinese posters have vehemently stated that they are similar to the Han of the Mainland with the same psychology.

Why are they revolting?

Why is there so much unrest in Guangdong?

The Hong Kong people are also from Guangdong originally or so I learn.

I think they are Yue Chinese, who the Han felt were barbarians.
 

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I did not ask you whether any one should be brainwashed or not. I asked you this.

What do you think was so serious in HK that they took to street?

You haven't replied to my question yet.
not serious so far.....unless the text books r proved brainshed and not corrected and sent to the class......i think hong kong people have showed their concerns over the issue in a peaceful way.....chinese gov should heed the situstion and also the hong kong gov.....
 

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Chinese Patriotism Classes Fuel Protest in Hong Kong

Chinese Patriotism Classes Fuel Protests in Hong Kong

08/01/2012


Thousands of protesters -- including teachers, students, parents and pro-democracy activists -- marched in Hong Kong last Sunday. They were protesting a plan to teach Chinese patriotism classes in Hong Kong schools.

"We don't want brainwashing. We want the truth," these girls say.

Organizers said ninety thousand people marched to the government headquarters. But police gave a lower estimate of thirty-two thousand.

Chinese Patriotism Classes Fuel Protest in Hong Kong
 

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To help people understand the relationship of Hong Kong with China here is an article from Asia Times.

I am sure that will help the discussion

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AN ATOL SPECIAL REPORT
China addicted to Hong Kong's 'opium'



HONG KONG - In an analogy, Hong Kong can be likened to a small cat and mainland China to a giant tiger, when compared by their geographical size and economic strength. Interestingly, the analogy may remind one of a popular Chinese fable. It goes like this:
In the Middle Kingdom, people believe that, in the beginning, the tiger was weak and clumsy though big in physique, while the cat was smart, agile and skillful in capturing prey, albeit small. Despite the differences, the two were good friends.

So one day, the tiger asked the cat to teach him kung fu. The cat agreed and was patient in teaching the tiger, which gradually learned how to stalk, run, jump, roll, grasp, tear, and strike as well as the cat. The tiger thought he had already learned all kung fu techniques from the cat, and an idea came to his mind: "I'm so much bigger than the cat. I will become peerless if I can get rid of this small cat."

So one day when the cat was taking a nap, the tiger stood up and approached the cat viciously. Just as that moment, the cat opened up its eyes, immediately realized what the tiger was trying to do, and swiftly climbed up to the top of a tall tree. "I have kept the last technique of the tree climbing from you just in case," the cat loudly told the tiger, which watched under the tree helplessly.
The first part of this fable may be said to vividly describe the relationship between Hong Kong and mainland China. It is a fact that in the past three decades mainland China has learned all the techniques from Hong Kong for building a capitalist-style free-wheeling market economy. Given its size and with its success, the mainland has inevitably become stronger and more powerful - to the point where it is now the world's second-largest economy.


The second part of the story may not be accurate is but relevant to the relationship between Hong Kong and the mainland. China's taking back Hong Kong in 1997 was non-violent and legitimate, as it was internationally recognized. However, many in Hong Kong still think that the city, like the cat in the fable, has reserved some things to enable itself to keep away from the tiger: in particular, the rule of law and freedom. This will also be at Beijing's mercy when its commitment to "one country, two systems" expires in 2047, but that will be another story.

Here we'd like to examine how the mainland, the tiger, has learned from the cat, Hong Kong, how to develop a market economy.

When Deng Xiaoping initiated his economic reform and opening up in late 1970s, he apparently thought of Hong Kong as a model for economic (not political) development, as he said later in 1988: "Now there is one Hong Kong; we must create several more 'Hong Kongs' on the mainland. That is, we must further open up." [1]

To lure foreign investment and learn about the operation of capitalism, Deng approved the establishment of four Special Economic Zones (SEZs) in 1980: Shenzhen, bordering Hong Kong; Zhuhai, bordering Macau; Shantou, in east Guangdong (with an eye on attracting investment from overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia); and Xiamen, in Fujian (to attract investment from Taiwan). Shenzhen SEZ is by far the most successful, largely because of its proximity to Hong Kong.

At the initial stage of economic reform and opening up, for the purpose of capital accumulation, China had also learned from Hong Kong to introduce foreign-invested, re-export-oriented, labor-intensive processing industries.

At that time, Hong Kong's processing industries began to suffer from increasing land and labor costs, so investors there were happy to move their factories across the border. At the peak time in 1980s and 1990s, it was estimated that there were about 100,000 Hong Kong-invested re-export enterprises, mostly small or medium-sized, in Shenzhen and the rest of the Pearl River Delta area.

Hong Kong investment brought into the mainland not only capital but also, more importantly, knowledge of modern management and trade, which helped China to build up a legal system governing foreign investment and trade to enable the country to further open up to the world.

Furthermore, Hong Kong also served as a model for China to privatize its property sector. In the early 1990s, Beijing decided to privatize the country's property sector (until then all housing was virtually state owned), but it faced a dilemma: China insisted at that time and still insists today that it is a socialist country.

The core of socialism is public ownership, so under the Chinese constitution all land belongs to the state. To privatize housing property would mean to abandon socialism, but without privatizing the real estate sector, China's market-oriented economic reform and opening up would stand stagnant as a private property sector is an important part of a market economy.

In this regard, colonial Hong Kong's system provided a perfect solution for socialist China. Under British colonial rule, most of the land in Hong Kong belonged to the "Crown". One could only rent, or buy the right to use a land lot, from the "Crown" for a certain period of time, and a land premium had to be paid if one wanted to continue to use it after the original contract expired. Thus selling and reselling the land-use rights became an important source of financial income for Hong Kong government. The system continues today.

It can be said literally that Beijing has simply copied Hong Kong's land system in its privatization of the property sector. Today in China, if you say you have bought a piece of land, it actually means you have bought the right to use that piece of land for a certain period of time, for legally all land still belongs to the state. Likewise, when one buys a house or flat in a building, one does not own the land (proportionally in the case of owning a flat) on which the house or building is erected.

But there is a fatal defect in Hong Kong's land system. During colonial times, the British simply saw Hong Kong as a "borrowed place" for some "borrowed time", so they did not care about long-term development. With limited sources of income, the design of the land system enabled the British Hong Kong government to have sufficient income to sustain its operation.

I need my (land) fix
In practice, it proves much easier for a city government to produce income by selling public land than collecting taxes or making efforts to create other sources of income.

But this also proves addictive - like "opium". Inherited from the British, today's Hong Kong government still has heavily relies on land premiums as its main source of income. The more it increases spending on social welfare under growing populist pressures, the more it has to rely on property development unless it can create other sources of income.

Nowadays, we see governments of many cities in mainland China also become addicted to this Hong Kong-style disposal of land. Many cities rely on land premium incomes to build subways and other infrastructure projects. It is too tempting not to do so. The more a city government spends, the more it has to rely on land premium income. Given China's autocratic system, it is much easier for a city government to take back a land lot from people who live or farm on it with little compensation. In this regard it can be said "the pupil excels the teacher".

But this has resulted, as widely reported, in abuse of power, injustice, corruption and skyrocketing housing prices. From this perspective, it is also not hard to understand why city governments are resistant to Beijing's repeated tough orders to bring down housing prices, for a downturn in the property market would mean less land premium income for a city government.

Now seems to be the time for the mainland to reform its land system to get rid of that "opium" - or defect - imported from Hong Kong. China is such a huge country with such a huge population and so many cities, it must not run a property market like Hong Kong.

Hong Kong may have provided many good examples of economic development for China. It is time for Beijing to draw a lesson from Hong Kong's bitter experience of making property development the "pillar industry" of the city.

Asia Times Online :: China addicted to Hong Kong's 'opium'

That's an amazingly good Analogy !!! (in the Blue part )
 

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Valid question.

I am equally intrigued since the Chinese posters have vehemently stated that they are similar to the Han of the Mainland with the same psychology.

Why are they revolting?

Why is there so much unrest in Guangdong?

The Hong Kong people are also from Guangdong originally or so I learn.

I think they are Yue Chinese, who the Han felt were barbarians.
yue chinese??? they r basically han chinese....

the so called barbarians is some thing in chinese history.....yanhuangzisun uesd to think apart from people from middle land.....all others r basically barbarians.....but thats history.....like aryan invasion.....very historic term....
 

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It was peaceful protest.

Here it shows how peaceful it was

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Protests mar Chinese leader's Hong Kong visit
Police use pepper spray and erect barriers to discourage protests denouncing President Hu Jintao and Beijing's policies.


Police have fired volleys of pepper spray against protesters denouncing Chinese President Hu Jintao as he visited Hong Kong to mark the 15th anniversary of its return to Chinese rule.

On Saturday, hundreds of protesters, demanding an investigation into the recent death of a well-known mainland dissident, rallied near the hotel where the Chinese leader was staying.

The incident underscored tensions surrounding the anniversary of the financial hub's handover from British control on Sunday.

Before winding up his trip on Sunday, Hu will also see the inauguration of Hong Kong's new chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, who has been dogged by controversy over alleged conflicts of business interests and unauthorised renovations at his luxury home.

Some protesters tried to break through barricades, which were used by Hong Kong police for the first time since they battled violent protests during a 2005 meeting of the World Trade Organization.

Police unleashed riot-control measures to keep the demonstrators back with eye-stinging pepper spray and arrested two protesters.

As the standoff developed, other protesters chanted anti-Beijing slogans and unfurled a huge banner with the Chinese character "injustice" written on it.

A Hong Kong reporter was briefly detained after shouting questions to Hu about the 1989 Tiananmen Square bloodshed, as the president visited the construction site for a new cruise-ship terminal earlier on Saturday.

'Under siege'

The director of Hong Kong Human Rights Monitor, Law Yuk-kai, criticised the security measures as an attempt to shield the Chinese leader from any "embarrassing demonstrations". He said the city was "under siege".

Hu's visit comes as discontent toward Beijing surges to a new post-handover high, and his visit has drawn sneers and ridicule from Hong Kongers, who cherish freedoms in the city such as the right to protest not seen in China.

There has been palpable anger over the death of veteran Tiananmen activist Li Wangyang, who was found dead in his hospital ward in China earlier this month. His family says he died under suspicious circumstances.



The towering barricades in Hong Kong are likely to defy Hu's stated wish to "walk more" and "see more" during his trip to the semi-autonomous city, which returned to Chinese rule on July 1, 1997.

Waving concert glow sticks, about 300 members of a pro-democracy party held a late-night vigil to mourn what they called an erosion of Hong Kong's freedoms and chanted slogans demanding universal suffrage.

The city maintains a semi-autonomous status with its own legal and financial system under the "one country, two systems" model that applies to both Hong Kong and the casino haven of Macau, across the Pearl River Delta.

Hong Kong police had vowed to respect the right to protest during Hu's visit, after they were criticised for heavy-handed tactics during a visit by Chinese Vice Premier Li Keqiang last year, prompting a special inquiry.

But some users on social media likened the security tactics laid on for Hu to the Great Wall of China or the Berlin Wall.

"The Berlin Wall separated East and West Germany, let's hope this wall of barricades can separate Hong Kong from China forever," one anti-Beijing user wrote.

Protests mar Chinese leader’s Hong Kong visit - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

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Please see the video from Al Jazeera in this link!

It was a 'peaceful' event, if one compares it to the Cultural Revolution!
 

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not serious so far.....unless the text books r proved brainshed and not corrected and sent to the class......i think hong kong people have showed their concerns over the issue in a peaceful way.....chinese gov should heed the situstion and also the hong kong gov.....
Didn't you find this situation interesting that what was considered normal history in Mainland China is considered brainwashing in HK?

...to start in primary schools this year and secondary schools next year - will mimic ''patriotic education'' teaching on the mainland, which instils fervent nationalism rooted in a deep sense of victimhood...

..In China, students only learn how to praise the party...

..."Currently the curriculum makes no mention about issues like the Tiananmen Square crackdown or who is (Chinese dissident) Ai Weiwei, so we are not convinced it can encourage independent thinking," a student at the demonstration was quoted as saying....
 
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yue chinese??? they r basically han chinese....

the so called barbarians is some thing in chinese history.....yanhuangzisun uesd to think apart from people from middle land.....all others r basically barbarians.....but thats history.....like aryan invasion.....very historic term....
Soon Tibetan will become Han and the Uighurs will become Hui.

China is capable of anything!
 

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Yue Chinese, Chinese language used primarily in southern part of China such as Guangdong, Guangxi, Hainan, Hong Kong, and Macau that includes and is commonly conflated with Cantonese.

The Baiyue, Hundred Yue or Yue is a term denoting various partly Sinicized or un-Sinicized peoples who inhabited southern China and northern Vietnam.

So Vietnamese are also Chinese?

No,they are not.

They kicked the Chinese (Han imperialists and expansionists) out by the TrÆ°ng Sisters before you did you wipe out demographic experiment.

I would not be surprised if the Tibetans and the Uighurs kick out the Han like the TrÆ°ng Sisters!
 

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Didn't you find this situation interesting that what was considered normal history in Mainland China is considered brainwashing in HK?
1 brainwahing should always be avoided.....cpc is being wrong in this field....for example they refuse to admit they were wrong in jun 4th event.......i never said otherwise here.....but if the text book thing is a brainwashing issue needs more evidence......

2 hong kong used to be a colony of the UK as u see....so when chinese gov took over hong kong again some problems indeed took place....for example queens birthday used to be a public holiday in hk....people in mainland were not fond of that and some hong kong people liked that.....some stuff like that....seems to be minor but it changed people habits so could be big issue.....
 
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