Massive Protest in Hong Kong against China

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  1. Ray

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    Notwithstanding the vociferous protestation of our Chinese members that there is no 'brainwashing' in China, this protest clearly shows that there is and the Hong Kongers who have seen freedom are not ready to become robots or cripples or sell their brains to the Communist satraps.

    Nationalism cannot be ordered.

    It has to grow.

    The Chinese Communist have underestimated the Hong Kong people and taken to be as robotic as the Mainlanders!
     
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    Extracts from Al Jazeera

    Hong Kong protests China 'patriotism' classes - Asia-Pacific - Al Jazeera English

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    What irony. Brainwash the people and state that this brainwashing is "to educate our students to have independent thinking, to be able to analyse situations and come to an objective judgment".

    The Mainland Communist logic is so ludicrous and silly!
     
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    s002wjh Senior Member Senior Member

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    not sure whats the big deal. here in US, we teach our kids the value of our history, government etc etc there is a difference between education and pure propaganda.
     
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    I presume the big deal is that in the US one is taught history.

    In China, one is taught ideology with historical truths and myths.

    For instance, when Mao was alive, the Chinese history books never faulted him or his policies. He was a great hero as per the history books and official publications.

    However, when he died and was not on the scene, Deng propagated that Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong and it became the history.

    One cannot have flip flops in history.

    The fault lines are immediately recognised.

    However, in a totalitarian regime, one cannot air one's views without inviting strong official reaction that can be unpleasant.

    However, in Hong Kong which is semi autonomous and where the legal system is beyond Govt control to a great extent, the real truth cannot be hidden, nor can protests be stifled as it can be done in Mainland China like the one in Tienanmen Square.

    After Tienanmen, who will dare protest?
     
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    Read more about the Shifang protest at this link given above.

    With money power and more rights to visit foreign nations for education etc, the Chinese are realising that how stifled and suffocated they are as a people.

    This is finding expression through activists (may even be encouraged by foreign organisations, who knows?) to oppose the Govt policies.

    Environment is an safe way to protest, since it does not indicate any disgust towards the Communist Party as an entity.

    However, it is just a start and testing of the waters.

    With the Hong Kong protests (I don't find it in the official English Chinese Communist papers; maybe I missed it) news trickling in by word of mouth to the Mainland, the situation will go bad to worse for Communist Chinese party and it can lead to chaos.
     
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    tibet turkestan and now hongkong. internally china have these three restive zone. outside its world annoyed by him. all the best.
     
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    We must not forget Inner Mongolia.

    The Hans have made Mongols a minority in their area!
     
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    Isn't it suprising that Nemo is not here leading the Chinese Brigade?

    I am sure she feels all this is bogus anti China propaganda.

    I believe the Hong Kong people are Chinese, right?

    So, why are they so furious about the Fatherland trying to teach them the good things of life and start doing Hup, two, three, four?
     
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    people show their consers by going down streets means hong kong is a restive zone??? u ever seen some guys from hong kong bomb some trains or send some 10 guys to gun down some 200 people in shanghai??
     
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    Thats because the Pakistan is China's ally.
    Their relationship is deeper than Ocean and Higher than Seas. :D
    No terrorist sneak into your country to gun down people.

    Doesn't this brainwashing concern you? Or are you already too brainwashed to see the difference?
     
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    Hong Kong has trains?

    Where there is Taliban/ Muslim influence, there will be bombs. They are angry people. Bombs are there in Xinjaing but not in Tibet, And in Tibet, people are also angry. So, the use of bombs is a cultural thing!

    In a totalitarian regime can there be protests?

    Could anything like this happen during Mao's time?

    Even when capitalism was becoming China's staple, having discarded Communism, protests started happening but the police brought it under control with repressive measures. In Tibet, they used the Army! And also in the Tienanmen Square where tanks were used.

    In Hong Kong, the Police did not dare to lift a finger!

    They (the Police) too must be fed up with the Communist crap!

    Those who have tasted freedom will never agree to be ideological slaves and robots! Like the Hong Kong people.

    They will fight every inch to preserve their sanity and independent logic dictated by their brains that is not sold to the Communist pettiness!
     
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    there r terrorists who murder people of which some r frequently getting their asses in and out from prcs territory but prc doesnt balme others for that....we advocate cooperations between countries to wipe out those sub humans....and have u seen the difference here???i have though....

    for indians ....even pakistan is no longer there your hindu muslim conflict will go on.....the concept of putting irrelevent people into 1 nation by a foreinger power aka the uk is problemetic in the 1st place....
     
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    hong kong doesnt have trains??no they dont.....and they keep suffering power shotages and got whole city blackout the other day......

    and muslims lead to bombs???why i havnt seen too much in kuwait and qatar.....r thry not pure enough to be called muslim countries???

    yes chinese people blame cpc gov for CR and 6 4 while cpc refuses to accept the fact that 6 4 is a huge mistake...people do konw that but so???how is that related to separists??? i ve said......soscialism is like colonisim....u got pros and cons......if u only got cons the gov is already toppled.....
     
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    Yes, I can see a lot of Chinese cooperation with Phillippines, Japan, Korea, VN for Islands.
    Do you really know about Pakistan??? Are you aware of Osama Bin Laden?? If not, then stop wasting your time.

    You haven't answered my question.

    Doesn't this brainwashing concern you? Or are you already too brainwashed to see the difference?
     
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    what brainwash??specificly.....by brits???

    so that the whole sub contient having propblem with india???even bangladsh with which u fought a war with pakistan???
     
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    Did they?

    In India, we had a huge power failure basically because of poor policy and since cheap Chinese equipment they bought to cut costs failed miserably. That is what happens when you want to go for cheap stuff!

    Because the control the terrorists. The Islamic terrorists depend on Arab money!

    I am sorry I do not understand SMS language.

    May I advise you to use English or else such posts will be deleted. Can't permit gibberish! Time is money. Can't waste time to decipher gibberish!

    This much I have understood yes chinese people blame cpc .

    Too bad, you are not a democracy that you can change the Government. You can't change the CPC because they will use their tanks and mow you down.

    So make the best of it while you fester in the swamp!
     
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    Are you suffering from Alzheimer's?

    China does not blame?

    Let me help you.

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    China blames terror camps in Pakistan as 20 killed in for Xinjiang violence

    BEIJING: Signs of a fissure developing in the "all-weather" China-Pakistan relations became evident with Chinese officials in the border province of Xinjiang blaming Pakistan for the renewed spate of violence on Sunday in Kashgar town, which left nine people dead.

    Kashgar authorities said in their official web site that terrorists captured after a bomb attack had admitted that one of the group's leaders was trained in making explosives and firearms at camps in Pakistan before infiltrating back into China. The police have killed five of the terrorists representing the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, which runs a separatist movement in Xinjiang province, it said.

    China blames terror camps in Pakistan as 20 killed in for Xinjiang violence - Times Of India


    China blames Pakistan-trained Uighurs for Xinjiang attacks
    Peh Shing Huei
    The Straits Times


    China accused Pakistan-trained Uighur terrorists of being behind bloody attacks in Xinjiang, a rare accusation given the strong ties between Beijing and Islamabad.

    An initial police investigation found that the attacks in the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar were led by those who learnt about explosives and firearms in Pakistan, reported the official news agency Xinhua. The attacks left 20, including the attackers, dead.

    Two more suspects, both of them Uighurs, were "executed on the spot by police who were in the process of capturing them" yesterday, the Kashgar municipal government said in a statement. It also offered 100,000 yuan (US$15,500) for information on two other Uighur suspects in Sunday's attacks, local media reported.

    Xinhua, citing an earlier statement by the Kashgar authorities, said the leaders of the religious extremists were trained in overseas camps of the separatist group East Turkestan Islamic Movement (Etim), before slipping into Xinjiang region.

    Analysts say that such official finger-pointing was "very unusual" for the Chinese government.

    "For a long time, Chinese scholars have been talking about Pakistan as a training camp for China's domestic terror groups. It is not a secret at all," said analyst Zhang Jian from Beijing University, who researches ethnic minority issues in China. "But for Xinhua to say it, it is really surprising."

    China blames Pakistan-trained Uighurs for Xinjiang attacks
     
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    so u mean chinese equipments resulted in the falure in india...can u show me any links to elaberate on what u r claimming.....

    and i was wondering why chinese own power grids dont seem to suffer the same crap happenning in india.....like we r not mainly using chinese own electricity equipments.....

    and too bad.....our gov doesnt destory some gold temple and is making the whole nation to use former colonizers language.......what a shame....
     
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    I marvel at the way our Chinese posters suffer from amnesia and then blather out total falsehoods with indignant innocence!
     

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