Manmohan slams West for using force to change regimes

[Virendra]

Frankly, irrespective of what he says/said, he cant do anything about Libya, so why talk about it? The erstwhile dictator was no friend of India, so no sympathies for him, that does not mean one supports the neo-imperialism of west.

However, India is supposed to guard its own interests. Terrorism sponsored by Pakistan is the real issue that should have been MMS' primary focus in UN.

We should also not forget that Kashmir and Terrorism are issues raised by India Pakistan at all sorts of world forums almost always. So much so that the others would every time expect another display of our obsession with these issues. These issues are truly a matter of grave concern but also crucial is the fact that we are a a regional power looking to be a potential world leader and have to project ourselves accordingly. If Kashmir and terrorism are the only topics where we have clear stand and strong voice then that is what the world will subscribe us to .... "The Indo-Pak bracket of Kashmir and Terrorism issues".
Do we want to be confined in this jinx?

By the way our yelling of decades in the UN hasn't earned us much leverage on Kashmir or Terror. It has been "What the West feels pinched with and what it doesn't".

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Godless-Kafir]

First the West or NATO must use force on Manmohans week skull and sonias fake ass to drive them out and restore some democracy in India.

Please NATO bomb delhi.

 

[nrj]

She pleaded to the world powers. Nothing happened.

And people comfortably forget this or maybe they don't even know that it happened.

 

[LurkerBaba]

how is Libya different?

1.Libya is not your immediate neighbour
2.You're not being flooded by 10million refugees

 

[Mr.Ryu]

Did MMS was not present during police taking force against sleeping people in delhi ???

I do disagree on using force but just thinking why cant our PM rather change actions in INDIA where he may have some voice rather calling for stop of Force to change regime in UN speech ? when every one know US or NATO wont give a $h!t to even UN what will MMS speech be ??? Global Political Drama At The Best

 

[nrj]

Yeah MMS is such a fool. Other day police beat up a man in my neighborhood. And he's criticizing US






Note: This was sarcasm

 

[Tronic]

Did your Prime Minister forget 1971? Didn't India intervene in East Pakistan - how is Libya different? I suspect on set of dementia due to old age.

1971 was different. There was a genocide going on in East Pakistan and India was being flooded by millions of refugees. That was not the case in Libya. Rather, it is your government which forgot 1971 and your support for dictators and a genocide. Even today, you guys forget that for every one dictator you are toppling, there are two more you are still supporting. You topple Libya yet you give candid support to the GCC to use their armies to crush the Bahrainis?? Hows that for hypocrisy? MMS is simply calling a spade a spade.

 

[SPIEZ]

Did MMS was not present during police taking force against sleeping people in delhi ???

I do disagree on using force but just thinking why cant our PM rather change actions in INDIA where he may have some voice rather calling for stop of Force to change regime in UN speech ? when every one know US or NATO wont give a $h!t to even UN what will MMS speech be ??? Global Political Drama At The Best

Probably ecause he knows he doesnt have a voice in India

 

[death.by.chocolate]

However, the situation in 1971 was different.

Were exceptional circumstances mentioned by the PM? According to him respect for territorial sovereignty is held above all other considerations.
I wonder if India has shot herself in the foot, has India closed the door on punitive strikes against terrorist camps? Interesting to see how India will respond to the next 26/11.

 

[Tronic]

And look at all the reactions over here. For me, I think this is finally something good which this government is doing! Showing a backbone on the international level. I mean what type of world power do you aspire to be when you can't even decide on international issues and protect your own strategic interests? Libya is already showing signs of radical Islamists in the rebel leadership. Syria too will likely have the same. Anyone who thinks that Libya and Syria toppling are in India's favour is severely misguided. Iraq too was good for us with Saddam in place. All these dictators were/are pragmatic and socialist leaders. They used Islam, but as a backdrop. The US is toppling these guys and retaining all the a-hole dictators who are in bed with the radicals, like the Saudis with the Wahabbis. For all the things I'm pissed at this government about, this is most definitely not one of them! Finally a backbone! First give the finger to China on Vietnam's part, and now to the West for its policies in the Middle East which do have anti-India consequences. Others also forget here, the US support and backing of Pakistan. India needs to stand by Iran, I don't care how screwed up Iran gets, but we need to stand by them because of our strategic friendship, just like how the US needs to stand by Pakistan for their own strategic goals. I think everyone here also forgets how the US and the West have constantly tied up Pakistani problems with India. Even this last whole 10 years of non-compliance of Pakistan, majority of those years have been spent standing by Pakistan against the "Indian threat" and urging India to draw down forces from the Pakistan border.

For the ills of the Congress government, this is finally one thing I would like to say to them, Well done!

 

[Tronic]

Were exceptional circumstances mentioned by the PM? According to him respect for territorial sovereignty is held above all other considerations.
I wonder if India has shot herself in the foot, has India closed the door on punitive strikes against terrorist camps? Interesting to see how India will respond to the next 26/11.

Territorial sovereignty when it concerns Internal issues. Pakistani terrorism crossing borders is not an internal issue.

 

[Oracle]

Were exceptional circumstances mentioned by the PM? According to him respect for territorial sovereignty is held above all other considerations.
I wonder if India has shot herself in the foot, has India closed the door on punitive strikes against terrorist camps? Interesting to see how India will respond to the next 26/11.

In 1971, the US Ambassador to East Pakistan(Bangladesh) did contact the President of US, nothing came out of it. I hope you know that.

The logic you are arguing in here is for taking your country to a morally high scale. That is alright.

However, if you really do have to compare India and US on a moral scale, do shed your child-like logic and then analyse.

And how India reacts to the next 26/11 is not up for debate yet. We have not sucked ourselves upto the worlds resources shamelessly. When the next 26/11 happens, you'd get your answer.

Relax now.

 

[Yusuf]

Tronic, this particular case didnt make any sense. I mean of what consequence was this statement? Something like what we did in Vietnam is. We want to be allies with the west and look after out interest as well. Gaddhaffi was of no help to us and if anything falling to the Chinese. So with us allied with the west, stood a better chance to gain anything if at all.

We have to show our spine but need to chose the right place, time and issue!!

 

[nrj]

And look at all the reactions over here. For me, I think this is finally something good which this government is doing! Showing a backbone on the international level. I mean what type of world power do you aspire to be when you can't even decide on international issues and protect your own strategic interests? Libya is already showing signs of radical Islamists in the rebel leadership. Syria too will likely have the same. Anyone who thinks that Libya and Syria toppling are in India's favour is severely misguided. Iraq too was good for us with Saddam in place. All these dictators were/are pragmatic and socialist leaders. They used Islam, but as a backdrop. The US is toppling these guys and retaining all the a-hole dictators who are in bed with the radicals, like the Saudis with the Wahabbis. For all the things I'm pissed at this government about, this is most definitely not one of them! Finally a backbone! First give the finger to China on Vietnam's part, and now to the West for its policies in the Middle East which do have anti-India consequences. Others also forget here, the US support and backing of Pakistan. India needs to stand by Iran, I don't care how screwed up Iran gets, but we need to stand by them because of our strategic friendship, just like how the US needs to stand by Pakistan for their own strategic goals. I think everyone here also forgets how the US and the West have constantly tied up Pakistani problems with India. Even this last whole 10 years of non-compliance of Pakistan, majority of those years have been spent standing by Pakistan against the "Indian threat" and urging India to draw down forces from the Pakistan border.

For the ills of the Congress government, this is finally one thing I would like to say to them, Well done!

This is called wise distinction.

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People are blowing this topic out of proportion.

What MMS conveyed is simple. Using military forces to change regimes in backward countries ain't gonna work any longer. This is no 60s-70s. Establishing pro-west regime with excessive military/economic/political pressure in the name of state-reconstruction is a short-sighted approach & you already have couple of countries you completely failed with that old habit.

Smart people in west understood what was the underlined message with a topping of independent-thinking.

Another point that was made is that, we're entering multi-polar order so number of pieces in pie should increase. All potential bidders should get their cut.

The message was more general than particular.

 

[KS]

India needs West more than ever before with China's increasing belligerence. For taking on China we need an insurance.

Making them both enemies at the same time is the foolest thing to do next to standing on a track with a speeding train approaching.

 

[Blackwater]

I think MMS should resign and live peacefully in Assam, where he belongs....


I think he has give enough to India

 

[The Messiah]

Good work MMS. :clap:

I like this statement. All lapdogs of west will obviously not like this move.

 

[The Messiah]

For all the things I'm pissed at this government about, this is most definitely not one of them! Finally a backbone! First give the finger to China on Vietnam's part, and now to the West for its policies in the Middle East which do have anti-India consequences. Others also forget here, the US support and backing of Pakistan. India needs to stand by Iran, I don't care how screwed up Iran gets, but we need to stand by them because of our strategic friendship, just like how the US needs to stand by Pakistan for their own strategic goals. I think everyone here also forgets how the US and the West have constantly tied up Pakistani problems with India. Even this last whole 10 years of non-compliance of Pakistan, majority of those years have been spent standing by Pakistan against the "Indian threat" and urging India to draw down forces from the Pakistan border.

For the ills of the Congress government, this is finally one thing I would like to say to them, Well done!

Well said.

Some people's hate for one party blinds them to see the bigger picture.

Sucking up to the west wont work and it isn't an option.

 

[civfanatic]

Am I hearing this right? MMS actually has male gonads? What is this world coming too...

@All those people thinking that "India needs West to protect against China", go ask Pakistan how allying with the West against India worked for them.

 

[The Messiah]

Am I hearing this right? MMS actually has male gonads? What is this world coming too...

@All those people thinking that "India needs West to protect against China", go ask Pakistan how allying with the West against India worked for them.

I'd rather be a self respecting person driving a maruti rather than a raand driving a merc.

Some people dont have faith in India and as such jump to the west so that they can rescue us. deluded lot they are.