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    Mangalore: Modi Won Not Because of Minority Votes, but Other Parties: Teesta

    Mangalore, Dec 29: Prominent human rights activist Teesta Setalvad on Saturday December 29 launched a frontal attack on Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi and said that he won the recent elections in Gujarat mainly because crores of money had been spent on election marketing and also due to split in votes between other parties, and not because of minority votes to BJP.

    She was addressing the gathering during a convention on unity by Karnataka Komu Souhardha Vedike on the occasion of their 10th anniversary at Loyola hall, St Aloysius PU College here on Saturday.

    "People think that minority people in Gujarat voted for BJP but it is not true, as their votes were split among various opposition parties. We need to carefully understand the matter as this situation might be faced by Karnataka too in the future," she said.

    "It high time that concerned people like us express our opinions, or else we will not be able to make any impact in politics," she added.

    She further said that a huge amount of corporate money was backing political power. "A dangerous trend in the politics of Gujarat was that people voted for other parties as the central government is paralyzed. Narendra Modi's success is not because of BJP, but mainly because of his organization there," she said.

    Asserting that many immoral activities had been going on in Gujarat, she recalled an incident during a camp in a Gujarat village, wherein a Dalit woman had told her that her kids were called by Bajrang Dal activists offering Rs 3,000 as salary for two days of work per week.

    "In return for the money, they were trained to carry out immoral activities. The same situation is found in various places including Mangalore, as we have witnessed during the pub attack and the recent home stay attack," she said.

    Teesta also spoke of the judicial system in the country and said, "Our judicial institutions have failed to perform their duty of upholding the Constitution."

    To substantiate her statement, she gave an example wherein Shiv Sena supremeo Bal Thackeray had once published provacative matters in his newspaper ‘Samna’ to which a petition was filed by a few people in the court. "In return to the petition, the Bombay High Court gave a bad judgement without even filing an FIR. With this it is clear that our judicial institution has given up its task of upholding Constitution values," she said.

    "Similarly we find many such incidents in the country," she added, and urged Komu Souharda Vedike to fight against such a system and lauded the organization for its work.

    Dr Anand Teltumbde, professor at IIT Kharagpur and grandson of Dr B R Ambedkar in his address briefed about Hindutva and its origin.

    "Communalism or Hindutva is found everywhere. RSS Hindutva came into existence in the year 1920 and in the year 1951 they got the political power of BJP. Soon, they started sowing the seeds Hindutva culture everywhere," he said.

    "The question that arises in everyone's mind that why BJP is against Islam and Christianity. Around 1/5th of the lower caste Hindus got converted to Islam because they were attracted to the religion which preaches unity. The situation was the same even with Christians and hence Hindus hated it," he said.

    "Hindutva means caste is been imposed on an individual, which means it creates individuals based on caste. For example, in Mangalore, we do not see minority people together which means Hindutva ideology exists. It divides the entire community into individuals based on caste,


    "We should not be fooled when people say that Hindutva and BJP are two distinct elements. It is false as their main intention is to create a Hindu nation," he said. Commenting on Congress and other political parties, he said they were not less than BJP as they carry out violence indirectly.

    "Whenever there is a bomb blast in the country, we generally tend to think that the bomb was planted by Islamists or it was Pakistan's job. It is not true as we do not know that Pakistan itself suffers 10 times more than us when it comes to bomb explosions. In such a situation, how can we blame them?" he said.

    "We should try to understand the basic roots of Hindutva, target their weak point and counter attack them," he added.

    Anand also lauded Komu Souharda Vedike for marching in the right track in combating communal violence and asked the organization to to continue the good work. A book was released on Communal Harmony Movement of Komu Souharda Vedike to mark its decennial celebrations.

    Fr William Martiz, honorary president of welcoming committee; Gous Mohideen, state secretary; Sabeeha Bhoomigowda, writer and professor of University; AK Subbayya, rationalist and former MLA of Karnataka Vishana parishat; M Venkataswamy, state president of Samatha Sainika Dhala; Gowri Lankesh, editor of Lankesh weekly, Bangalore; Suresh Bhat Bhakrabailu, president of Vedike, Dakshina Kannada; KL Ashok, state chief secretary; Vasudev Bolur; CN Shetty; Damodar Bhat; SM Iqbal; Mohammed Kakkinje; K Paniraj; Fr Manohar Chandra Prasad; Philomena Peris; Mohammed Issac; Professor VS Sridar; Anand Kumar among others were present.
     
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    Poor woman.

    She has been exposed as a person with an agenda and with no substance, but high on imaginative delusions.

    Not that Modi is a darling, but then this whine that Modi won because of a divided opposition comes out as a juvenile whine that has no connection with the facts.

    The fact is that the Congress played a very wise campaign that weaned away Keshubhai Patel, a tall Patel leader, from the Modi camp and even though Modi did well in Keshubhai's area, yet Keshubhai's leaving the BJP did dent the BJP from winning more seats where Keshubhai still had some hold. It must be remembered it was Keshubhai who put the BJP in the winning seat in Gujarat and Modi is but the legatee.

    The fact is that the opposition was united.and much was expected, even thought it did not come about. Pre election, it appeared that Modi would win,but with a way reduced number because the Congress appeared to be making some dents in the claim of Modi being the development messiah. The media did give such an impression.

    The only discord, as is now being claimed by Praful Patel, was that the NCP was not given the seats that they wanted by the Congress. Whether that would make a difference is a moot point.

    Crores of Rupees are spent on all elections India-wide and that is no secret, and so the claim that it is Gujarat centric indicates how this woman clutches at non existing straws to be credible, and that is what makes her appear as a sore loser and a classical whine!

    Corporate houses are known to fund all elections across India and not merely in Gujarat! Poor woman does not read commentaries in the newspapers it appears and instead lives in fond delusion, which spins in her head 24 x 7 at such velocity that it auto suggests that they are the reality and facts.

    Her claim that the Judicial system fails to perform their duties is a canard and contempt of the judicial system and she should be taken to task. In fact, Teesta Setalvad's former aide Rais Khan Pathan had filed an affidavit in the Supreme Court alleging manipulation of evidence, which were in the form of statements of witnesses, by her in five sensitive post-Godhra riot cases. The Special Investigation Team (SIT) setup by the Supreme Court of India to investigate and expedite the Gujarat riot cases had submitted before the Court that Teesta Setalvad had cooked up cases of violence to spice up the incidents. The SIT headed by former CBI director, R K Raghavan has said that false witnesses were tutored to give evidence about imaginary incidents by Teesta Setalvad and other NGOs. The SIT charged her of “cooking up macabre tales of killings” (Wiki)

    She and her ilk is what is usually termed as people who have made it an industry in campaigning against Modi.

    Modi's landslide cannot indicate such a routed and divided Gujarat, for even if the Opposition was divided, there could never have been this landslide when real stalwarts of the Opposition were fielded and they bit the dust just as much as the stalwarts of the Modi camp! How come both sides had stalwarts biting the dust?

    More will come from Teesta because, it appears that this woman thrives on keeping herself in the limelight.

    Next this woman will claim that the Congress paid money to the voters to vote for Modi and that the Congress was the one who was supporting Modi. Any wild accusation including such idiocy is not beyond this woman!

    It is best to ignore her and her wild and fact denied whines that surfaces every time it does not go her way!

    Modi must be judged and he should be judged, but it should be by the Judiciary and the Judiciary alone.

    As far as the progeny of Ambedkar is concerned, could they tell the countrymen as to why Bhimroa married a Brahmin.

    Caste is the best crutch when logic fails.

    And the logic can also be contrived.

    One may also read this.

    http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/why-babasaheb-married-a-brahmin/
     
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    Teesta get a life you are so pathetic
     
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    Re: Mangalore: Modi Won Not Because of Minority Votes, but Other Parti

    What may have got Teesta Stealavad's goat is that 2002 was not raised during the election, either by Modi or the Congress and so she lost her only chance to hog the limelight and TV debates.

    And also because, the Opposition had no handle to use the caste card (usually a great vote puller) because Modi, himself, was an OBC.

    And Modi won! [​IMG]
     
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    To ensure peace in future, people often sacrifice the truth. Negationism at its best
     
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    Mr Khushwant Singh,

    Though there is no doubt that you know about our country and our history far better and more than I, but whenever I re-read some of your writings I feel a sort of uneasiness at your reputation for being an upright and infallible historian.

    One of the cruelest and most shameful wounds on the face of our recent history is the 1947 partition riots. I was not born then but I have heard and read so much about that colossal bloodbath that I feel like almost having lived through it. And I have spent a part of my waking time wondering why it all happened?

    "Muslims said the Hindus had planned and started the killing. According to the Hindus, the Muslims were to blame. The fact is, both sides killed. Both shot and stabbed and speared and clubbed. Both tortured. Both raped", these innocent looking words written by you in Train to Pakistan have almost become an aggressive slogan which goes blatantly against historical accuracy. I do not know what you exactly had in mind when you wrote this, probably to ensure peace in future, you sacrificed the truth. Of course it is a fact that both sides committed acts of terrors, but their motives for action were polar opposite: the Sikh attack on the Muslims in East Punjab was a pure retaliation when after months of abnormally superhuman tolerance against the clearly preplanned and highly organized offensive to cow down Sikhs, a means to carry on among them a total campaign of murder, arson, loot and abduction of Sikh women, Sikh patience finally broke down. In contrast to this the Muslim operation, totally unprovoked, had begun as early as December 1946, as a result of what millions Sikhs and Hindus had already lost their property, ancestral homes and near and dear ones for no fault of their own.

    Your favorite nightmare - that famous jeepfulls of armed Sikhs which you saw on the road to Delhi in August '47, who boasted of killing whole villages of Muslims, were doing that because they had seen their mothers, sisters or daughters literally torn apart. They were simply not in right state of mind. This is not to suggest that they be declared totally not-guilty or what they did was justified but please let's not put them in the same category as those Muslims who did all this under cold command of the League to cause havoc and exodus of absolutely innocent infidels.

    And I don't want to add this but I must: In fact the Muslim launch was so outrageously unrestrained that the only way of discouraging the massacre of Hindus-Sikhs on the western side was simply to start doing same on this side.

    Now please don't get me wrong - I am not one of your mindless anti-islamists so abundant these days, who look at everything through a prism of hatred. In fact, just like you, most of my friends are muslims. One of them is Mr M. A. Khan, a highly commendable person, one of the few brave people who had the courage to stand-up against the fire-spiting Dr Zakir Naik (just like you once dared to oppose Bhindrawale's hate-preaching ! ). This is what Mr Khan recently wrote to me about you : "I have some following of Khushwant Singh. He is big useful idiot of Islam. I have seen his other commentaries which is similarly themed. However, over last few months, I have noticed a change in his tone. Too bad, he is not going to last long at this age in order to undo part of great harm he has done by placating Islam out of his utter ignorance. "

    Though unlike Khan I cannot dare to accuse you of "utter ignorance", for your offensive against truth goes deeper. In A History of the Sikhs you have even tried to apologize for what Muslims did in 1947! You have tried to shift the whole blame onto Sikhs by adjudging them culpable of "playing peace-makers" and having "professed neutral creed" and even just for being richer than Muslims ! Here it needs a really keen eye to see the inconspicuous blow you have dealt : Sikhs may or may not have played peacemakers for all you care, what you really wanted to impress here is that Sikhs and Hindus are different ! This seed sown by you would later become the kernel to the philosophy that played disaster and almost brought to the nation to another partition. In the early eighties as the Harimandir Sahib was being fortified, Bhindrawale, an uneducated peasant, would tell a western journalist that Sikhism is a "revealed religion" and he himself is leading "people of the book" i.e. the Sikhs are not only not-Hindus but are also anti-Hindus like all abrahamic creeds essentially are.

    What's more, you have carried this mischief to 1984 anti-Sikh riots by stating here and there that they were done by "hindus" agitated by Indira's murder. You know far better than anyone else that the perpetrators of that carnage had nothing to do with being hindu etc. they were simply Congress-hired mobs to do the job. Your use of the term Hindu in this context is what I find highly disturbing. Besides it should be noticed that these "riots" were so well planned and highly coordinated ( full government machinery was used ) that the Sikhs got no chance to hit back. By the way, today if Mr Manmohan Singh, our very-much Sikh PM gets killed by the Sikhs over anything, I am sure we can expect Congress mafia to hit innocent Sikhs with same ferocity.

    The problem is that you carry so much influence that even such half baked put-ons apparently gain currency with time - Tavleen Singh, taking cue from you, even went as far as to remove the Indira's murder totally out and make the whole episode look like a pure Hindu-Sikh confrontation! What I am dying to know is really what you people get out of it ?

    The sort of secularist symmetry you want to show is simply not possible because the limited friction between Sikhs and Hindus, (as opposed to that between Hindu-Muslim or Sikh-Muslim), is totally artificial and it is nothing but result of negationism of history and the cunning twisting and turning of current events by our dedicated historians occupying positions of influence. During the Punjab militancy there were no direct Hindu Sikh confrontations, ( it is a happy news that our media did not try to make some out of thin air though I am sure the mediapeople with "secularist" bend of mind would have loved it ), all blood was spilled between a handful of mislead Sikh youth and security forces ( among them main being Punjab Police - totally composed of Sikhs ).

    Perhaps what you are really trying to do is to "balance history" like Holocaust Deniers try to do at home : the offensive of Germans against Jews seems to be over-whelming to them so they subdue it as much as they can and then make up and add some imaginary Jews-targeting-the-German thing !

    The days when you went to school and formed your view of the things, the world was in a different phase altogether, at that time perhaps "selective reading of history to promote national integration" had a real meaning and a just approach. But if we look at the world now, especially at Islamic states and other milder instances of oppressionism, we can see lies don't seem to work anymore.

    Most respectfully yours
    [​IMG]
    Jagmohan Singh Khurmi

    What Really Happened in 1947
     
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    All things are subject to interpretation.

    No one can call oneself as the custodian of the truth!

    However, facts lead us closer to the interpretation of the truth, even though it remains, to some, as illusive since it does not conform to their idea of the truth.
     
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    by that logic of differentiated interpretation of truth even brutal acts could be justified .. isn't it Sir ji :hmm:
     
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    Interesting viewpoint.

    However, everything in life is a lie and it is brutal too!

    There are many instruments that suggest the line of thinking and encourage brutal acts, apart from the media.

    India is a democracy and a democracy is 'for the people, by the people and of the people', right?

    But is the 'winner past the post' concept that we have, following the UK democracy is really indicative of the concept 'for the people, by the people and of the people'?

    Since it is not, therefore, it is BIG lie! And a BRUTAL joke and a brutal act being played on the unsuspecting.

    And there will be those who disagree.

    Riots are brutal acts and of that there is no doubt. Most are started off by other brutal acts and as reprisals. Some are started by rumours of brutality and injustice.

    None has seen God and yet there is a strong belief that there is God and that is perpetuated by a contrived vehicle called religion.and its scriptures.

    Since none have seen God, would you concede that religion and God is a huge Lie perpetuated by the media at that time to fulfill someone's agenda?

    Media., word of mouth, perceptions and beliefs to include propaganda gives a thought its flesh. They maybe lies and may lead to brutality.

    Man is a wild animal and at times, very irrational.

    So, who is the Judge?

    Maybe another thread?
     

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