Maldivian President Nasheed's arrest puts Modi Govt on backfoot

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    Apparently the mismanagement of diplomacy vis-à-vis Maldives that started with the UPA Govt is continuing even now.

    The Indian High Commissioner and the High Commission has been most inept in handling the issues in Maldives during the UPA as also now with the NDA.

    It is time to put competent personnel who can feel the pulse of Maldivian politics, intrigues and power play and take all measure to ensure that there is no anti India activity taking hold.

    Without appearing to undertaking 'gunboat diplomacy', India should undertake a greater presence of its Navy off the Maldivian coast Ostensibly for anti piracy patrols, but in actuality passing on a strong message. Also, there should be greater number of 'showing the flag' goodwill missions by the Navy to the Maldives.

    For the present crisis, India should cancel the PM's visit and inform tersely that till democracy in its true form is brought in effect, it would be difficult to have a pleasant relationship.
     
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    1. Go after Maldives nationals who have tourist visa but have come for medical facility.

    2. Stop issuing all kind of visa to them including student visa.

    3. Take punitive steps on economic front.

    Let's see how much China can step up. We have seen from water issue how much China did and how much spin it got. It's time we vacate the field temporarily and let China work for the spin they get.

    No gun boat diplomacy needed. Work closely with EU and Commonwealth to take export sanction and tourism sanction on them.
     
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    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    First 2 options is bad idea. India must not project to be anti-Maldivans keeping in mind the general hostility those steps would instil in the common Maldivan people. It would be just what China needs.

    However, 3rd Option is quite alright, as it can always be projected at the current regime rather than the common people.
     
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    Everything that has to be done should happen behind closed doors not overtly.
     
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    Well if you don't hit where it hurts, there will be no protest against the current govt.

    People of Maldives should realise that nothing comes for free. Each step their govt. takes would have reaction. If the step is favourable then favourable reaction and negative step for India, shall have adversarial reaction.

    If China wants to step in let them open up hospitals and colleges for them. Is that a tough asking?

    Also, as far as step 1 goes, I am just asking the curb an illegal activity that takes place.

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    When there was water scarcity, Indian contribution was downplayed and Chinese contribution hyped. Any Maldivian watching their media didn't get the correct perspective and Indian image wasn't perceived very positively.

    When India wanted to repair the RO plant for free, they rejected it. Their response was they wanted a more technical country to do it.

    They set up a contributory fund for it and Chinese contributed 1/5th of the value required but their contribution was hyped to a great extent.

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    If they want a more technical nation to repair their RO plant, they should send their patients and students to more technical hospital and university in a more technical nation too isn't it?

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    Like 'Ugly' American, I don't mind being Ugly Indian for our interests.
     
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    Don't hurt the people directly whom you want in time to come to your support latter.

    Tightening economic screws are good enough for people living in an island nation to rise against the regime. But if you directly tighten screws regarding hospital treatment or studies, it would alienate people thoroughly. the regime might change or give in under people's pressure, but the people whose loved one's will be denied treatment directly by the Indian Govt. or whose plans for higher studies will be disrupted and future destroyed by policies of India, will forever turn against India.

    Maldives will then turn to Pakistan or Srilanka and by extension in the hands of China.
     
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    So, if someone's resort shuts down for economic sanction or whose marine product processing unit will go under debt due to sanctions where India will be a party will be remain India's supporter for life?

    India is not duty bound to provide healthcare or education to Maldives nationals. As you have suggested, Sri Lanka, Pakistan or any other 'friendly' country should provide them that.

    We aren't the perpetual good guy out there, who is a beacon of hope to humanity.
     
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    This is exactly what is misused and GoI should stop it immediately.
     
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    I can`t understand why this muslims presidents/PM`s/rulers can tolerate their opponents

    look how pak has got cahnged on atleast this front ...

    On question india should do heavy backdoor deplomacy and even if required just patrol one of ships around maladevies
     
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    Shutting down the resort because of sanction can be blamed on the Maldive Govt. or its failure to meet some standard like human rights violation or something. It would be easier to spin than denying ailing patients or aspiring students into India. There's a limit to which any spin can be made. Even gunboat diplomacy has its limits depending on the required goal.

    Neither do India has any right to feel indignant if a sovereign nation chooses to do whatever it wishes to do, by your logic. India is not duty bound, but Indian national interest, however little, is linked to maldives as it is a 'neighbouring' nation to India.

    Do you want that? Then why are you indignant at all, whether it is Nasheed or Yameen?

    I wish we weren't, but Indian Govt. has always toed that line of projecting being a benevolent nation, and a sudden change of attitude will be counter-productive. India as a nation can be hard against a nation, not against people - heck even Russia or USA cannot do that.

    In Diplomacy image matters and subtle maneuver many times scores more than a hammer-strike.
     
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    WoW! quite a logic.

    When India sends the quickest and highest aid during water crisis. The Maldivian govt. could spin it by ripping of the label of water bottles before distributing, thus underplaying the Indian contribution and then going on to hype the Chinese help. Even after that you believe what you wrote, open your eyes.

    Maldivians are misusing the visa provisions and thus we have every right to go against them. I don't care if a miniscule population of 3,00,000 are pissed of due to it. We have a standing army 4 times the size.

    Similarly, every seat offered to them in our University is better served by offering to friendly countries of Africa and south America where we have business prospects.

    India will not violate any international law. Tell me where I have asked for such a thing. And then you have answered yourself.

    Yes, I want to taste and see if they are capable enough for that. Geographical location hasn't changed, let those countries act. They have been promising Maldives of their help for a while. Let us see if they can act as well. Or they are good only in promising.

    India cancelled $25 million aid in 2012 to Maldives and stopped work on their police academy. The 90 days visa-less entry too was curtailed and strictly enforced in the past also. These aren't exactly benevolent steps.

    Hope next time you read before commenting.

    Can't say about Russia or USA as their military intervention hasn't resulted in the birth of a nation in modern history. India's has. So I don't take them as standard.

    In this also we are concerned about our image. Image of active player rather than passive watcher.

    I haven't yet recommended the use of needle, and you are saying it as hammer strike?
     
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    We don't need to earn gratitude of the Maldivians people, Respect is all we need, and we can earn it by adopting an "Iron Hand in Velvet Glove" policy. We must make an example of the Maldivian regime for the rest of the South Asian countries to see. If they wish to fall into China's lap they must be made aware that there will be a steep price to pay.
     
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    The map will indicate that if there is Indian Naval activities between India and Seychelles, Mauritius and Madagascar, then Maldives will naturally be under pressure.

    Chagos Archipelago is disputed territory between the UK and Mauritius.

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    Officially part of the British Indian Ocean Territory, the Chagos were home to the Chagossians for more than a century and a half until the United Kingdom evicted them in the early 1970s and allowed the United States to build a military base on Diego Garcia, the largest of the Chagos Islands. Since 1971, only the atoll of Diego Garcia is inhabited, and only by military and civilian contracted personnel.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/03/13/world/asia/ap-as-maldives-ex-president.html?_r=0


     
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    How do you see the timing of these events?
     
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