Malaysia airlines flight carrying 239 people missing

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This is strange, man .WTF. Its been more than 24 hrs .:herp: Its not aliens ,is it.:wtf:
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Vietnam Search Flights found some debris ..

PS they are the one said yesterday they found Oil slicks

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Search for missing Malaysia Airlines jet turns up 'suspicious objects' - latimes.com
Beijing has a policy whereby some passengers in transit to third countries can stay in the Chinese capital for 72 hours without a visa, so the two men may have not needed to apply for a Chinese visa if they had tickets to another destination.

London's Telegraph newspaper said it had confirmed with two ticketing agents for China Southern Airlines -- which had a code-share arrangement with Malaysia Airlines for the flight -- that the two men were booked to fly onward to Amsterdam on the airline KLM Saturday morning. The paper said the two tickets were numbered consecutively, suggesting they were bought at the same time.

Search for missing Malaysia Airlines jet turns up 'suspicious objects' - latimes.com
 

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looks like an explosion!

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I hope the people lost consciousness in moments and did not suffer at all. However if this was an act of terrorism - some people are going to have to be made to suffer.
 

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It is possible for the passengers to check in using the [x] passport at the airline counter but use [y] passport when clearing immigration. This would provide reason why the Malaysia authorities did not see any Alert when these chaps cleared the immigration. The immigration does not check boarding pass and collaborates them with passports and also not sure if they check which flight they are boarding on scanning the passports. I know some airports check boarding pass with passport when they are (sometimes before getting into the area only) clearing immigration but not all do. Many times no boarding pass is shown. I won't be surprised from this it will be now mandatory to show boarding pass at time of immigration clearance and more information be printed on boarding passes like passport number.

Another possibility is that there was a handover inside after the immigration clearance.

It's absurd that these chaps were not alerted in the system. Unless they were and it was coordinated between the PRC and Malay spooks to intercept while in PRC. Does not make sense how they cleared immigration ... Unless they used different passports. Only the Malay systems and airport authorities can answer.

Another angle is that these [group] people are sending a signal and it is hugely evident they are planning it with due course and are not looking for publicity and that is unprecedented. Not sure the probability of such items happening on predominantly PRC targets in the span of [a] days without any group acknowledging.

The above is with a big assumption that it was a terrorist attack. Prima facie there is more to this that people are saying.

It's better to wait for the official word.
 
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Malaysia launches terror probe over missing plane, debris may be spotted

Malaysia has launched a terror probe into the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane which vanished from radars en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing while carrying 239 people on Saturday. Debris from the jet has reportedly been spotted.

The massive search operation for the Boeing 777, which has been ongoing for about two days, might have brought forth its first results, with possible debris from the aircraft reportedly found in the sea off the coast of south Vietnam.

"We received information from a Vietnamese plane saying that they found two broken objects, which seem like those of an aircraft, located about 50 miles (80 kilometers) to the south-west of Tho Chu Island," an unnamed official from the National Committee for Search and Rescue told AFP. "As it is night they cannot fish them out for proper identification. They have located the position of the areas and flown back to the land."
These objects are believed to be a piece of the jetliner's tail and part of its inner door, The Wall Street Journal reported.

However, so far there has been no official confirmation from Malaysian authorities that the debris is connected to flight MH370, which lost touch with Subang Air Traffic Control around 02:40 local time on Saturday morning. The plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members.
Officials investigating the mysterious disappearance of the aircraft are considering the possibility of the airliner's mid-air disintegration, a source involved in the investigations told Reuters.

"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source on condition of anonymity. If the aircraft had plunged intact from such a height, breaking up only upon impact with the water, search teams would have expected to find a fairly concentrated pattern of debris, the source added.

Adding more mystery to the story, the family of one of the passengers aboard the missing plane successfully rang the person's cell phone, but nobody answered, Mirror Online reported. (he probably didn't take his phone.)

The relatives asked Malaysia Airlines to use satellite technologies and intercept the phone signal before its battery is run down.
Malaysian authorities have launched a terror probe into the disappearance of the passenger plane. They were checking CCTV footage at the airport and investigating the identities of four passengers, at least two of whom boarded the flight using stolen passports.

The country's Prime Minister Najib Razak said that airport security procedures were being reviewed.

"We will enhance them if necessary, because we still do not know the cause of the incident," he said, as quoted by Reuters.

Meanwhile, Interpol is "examining additional suspect passports."

The agency confirmed on Sunday that at least two passports – an Austrian and Italian – recorded in its database were used by passengers on board the missing flight. Both passports were stolen in Thailand in 2012 and 2013 respectively, the agency said in a statement.

No checks of the stolen passports were made by any country between the time they were entered into Interpol's database and the departure of flight MH 370, according to Interpol. Therefore, Interpol said it is currently unable to determine how many times the passports have been used to board flights or cross borders.

"Whilst it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases," said Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble.

Interpol also criticized loose security measures at international airports.
Source: http://rt.com/news/malaysia-plane-missing-crash-766/

Also from CNN:
For instance, after the airline released a manifest, Austria denied that one of its citizens was aboard the flight. The Austrian citizen was safe and sound, and his passport had been stolen two years ago, Austrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Weiss said.
Similarly, Italy's foreign ministry confirmed none of its citizens were on Flight 370, even though an Italian was listed on the manifest.
On Saturday, Italian police visited the home of the parents of Luigi Maraldi, the man whose name appeared on the manifest, to inform them about the missing flight, said a police official in Cesena, in northern Italy.
Maraldi's father, Walter, told police he had just spoken to his son, who was fine and not on the missing flight, said the official, who is not authsorized to speak to the media. Maraldi was vacationing in Thailand, his father said.
The police official said Maraldi had reported his passport stolen in Malaysia last August and had obtained a new one. But U.S. law enforcement sources told CNN that both the Austrian and Italian passports were stolen in Thailand.
Just a quick question: I'm not sure how this works, but how does US law enforcement sources know where the passports of an Austrian citizen and an Italian citizen were stolen. And why is there a discrepancy between what the "US law enforcement sources" are saying and what the Italian police is saying ?
 
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looks like an explosion!

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Could be, and judging by the sudden disappearance without any prior warning by the pilots to the ATC, this angle appears more and more likely. But I will reserve judgement until the aircraft debris is confirmed.

But just on another note, the debris spread could also be due to a very high speed impact of the aircraft with the water surface. The debris spread will provide clue as to whether the aircraft was intact as it hit the water.
 

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One of the victim is a family friend.

He is now a Canadian and has a Chinese wife!

They were returning to the wife's family after a holiday in Malaysia.

Thank God that their two sons were with the Chinese grandparents!
 

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Terrorist angle dosnt seem credible. Which group would want to blow up a plane with majority of Chinese citizens?
 
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If the terror angle is to be explored, the stolen passport angle doesn't fit in especially if we consider an Islamic terror angle. Motive to blow a flight of MH carrying Chinese means only the Uighers can be suspects. Uighers can't pass off as Italian & the capability of Uighers outside East Turkestan is non existent or not heard of.
Two days after the plane went down, no claim from any terror organization. Too late to even claim now.
Hi Yusuf :-
(1) your immigration to Europe theory can be countered . All they wanted was to board the plane . The fact that they used stolen passports would mean they wouldnt want to land in especially western Europe as the info network on stolen EUROPEAN passports would understandably be much more rigid. This rigidity in Europe ONLY is supported by the fact that even with stolen passports, they made it through Malaysian security checks . So than debunks the immigration angle.

(2) Correct me if i'm wrong ( as i am no mechanical or structural engineer ) but in the case of pure mechanical structural failure, large chunks of the plane should remain intact , albeit the fuselage could be broken in 2 or even 3 places but basically those sections should remain intact in the case of natural structural failure .

(3) In the case of an explosion, however we should encounter smithereens. So far no chunks of the plane's fuselage has been detected - supporting a "blasted to smithereens" theory and thus an explosion. Not necessarily a deliberate act but certainly an explosion of some kind.

(4) As for Uyghurs not looking Italian, sorry but i have read many a time that they in fact DO resemble south Italian and indeed more like Albanian, many of who are Italian citizens today due to its geographical proximity to south Italy. The Uyghur language is of the same Turkic origin to which the Albanian language is ( remotely ) related. Here's some further "evidence " of similarity in appearance The Whites of Asia – The Uighurs | Beyond Highbrow - Robert Lindsay ( extract from google - May 17, 2013 - The Uighurs are a mixed Caucasian-Asian Muslim group that live in Xinjiang, China. They have ... I mean, some of these Uighur kids look like a pure blood White with only 50% White admixture. Meanwhile ..... Albanian (4)....) The article is an interesting read . Many of us may not have known. But apparently those who used the stolen passports were more Asian-looking

(5) Many on this thread have jumped the gun to point a finger at Uyghur when it is a well-known fact by now that the younger generation Tibetans are clearly at variance with their elders insistence on a peaceful and non-violent struggle. They have been known to have stated that such a method has not gotten them anywhere.

Best Regards,
R.
 
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(2) Correct me if i'm wrong ( as i am no mechanical or structural engineer ) but in the case of pure mechanical structural failure, large chunks of the plane should remain intact , albeit the fuselage could be broken in 2 or even 3 places but basically those sections should remain intact in the case of natural structural failure .
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No - some types of structural failure could result in a catastrophic blow up.
BOAC Flight 781 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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No - some types of structural failure could result in a catastrophic blow up.
BOAC Flight 781 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bro, i do appreciate your reply, but the example you gave is of a "de Havilland" Plane from the
good old days of the "BOAC" on 10 Jan 1954, i.e. from an entirely different era both in terms of time and certainly technology too .

Today's air frames are a whole load different from those days - in the sense of materials
and concepts of design as well.

Remember the structural failures of the infamous anglo-french Concorde, which displayed structural failures a number of times ?
Well, in the last 2 or so events there were huge chunks of the plane left lying on the tarmac ( and elsewhere), but basically each piece was left intact ?

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Is a hijacking a possibility, and the aircraft being diverted to an unreported landing?
 

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Terrorist angle dosnt seem credible. Which group would want to blow up a plane with majority of Chinese citizens?
Uyghur Separatists and recently they butchered 33 Chinese.

2 fake passports were there.

But anyway... investigation would tell the case. Is the plane/bodies recovered?
 

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Uyghur Separatists and recently they butchered 33 Chinese.

2 fake passports were there.

But anyway... investigation would tell the case. Is the plane/bodies recovered?

A senior police official told Reuters that people armed with explosives and carrying false identity papers had tried to fly out of Kuala Lumpur in the past, and that current investigations were focused on two passengers who were on the missing plane with stolen passports.

"We have stopped men with false or stolen passports and carrying explosives, who have tried to get past KLIA (airport) security and get on to a plane," he said. "There have been two or three incidents, but I will not divulge the details."
'An unprecedented mystery': Ten countries scour sea for missing jet - Independent.ie
 

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Not confirmed though.

Vietnam plane spots possible wreckage of missing Malaysia Airlines | The Indian Express

"Vietnamese aircraft spotted what they suspected was one of the doors of a missing Boeing 777 on Sunday, while questions emerged about how two passengers managed to board the ill-fated aircraft using stolen passports."


On a related note, (though the article itself states that there is no connection with the plane incident) :

Taiwan: Warning received on planned China attacks | The Indian Express

Taiwan: Warning received on planned China attacks

"Taiwan's spy chief said on Monday that the island had received a warning of possible terrorist attacks in China as the mainland hold its annual parliamentary session. National Security Bureau head Tsai De-sheng told a legislative committee today that the NSB passed on a warning of planned attacks against the Beijing airport and the city's subway system to Chinese authorities following its receipt on March 4.

It comes as China's National People's Congress holds its annual session, which opened March 5 and closes Thursday. It also came three days after a knife attack by a group of people at a railway station in Kunming, China, left 29 people dead. Police also shot dead four of the attackers.

Tsai said the receipt of the warning prompted stepped up security measures at Taiwanese airports, particularly on Beijing-bound flights.He said it had no connection to a Malaysia Airlines flight bound for Beijing that has been missing since early Saturday."
 

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Today's air frames are a whole load different from those days - in the sense of materials
and concepts of design as well.
R
Agreed. The concept of "fatigue failure" was learned from those Comet crashes. But blowout occurring at 1000 kmph at 10 km up in the atmosphere can lead to fragmentation that is spread over a very large area as opposed to a plane that is simply out of control and spinning down as happened with the Air France flight.

I personally think this case is more likely to be terrorism than structural failure. That is my guess.
 

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