MALABAR 2017 India Usa Japan Naval Exercise

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  1. HariPrasad-1

    HariPrasad-1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Lioning is a failed aircraft carrier. Its engine had failed and it has no power to carry high sea operation. Not even fit for training.
     
  2. SexyChineseLady

    SexyChineseLady Regular Member

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    Nope, no smoke in Hong Kong.


    And the Liaoning has engaged in many, many exercises since its commissioning in 2012. US Pentagon papers has claimed that China now has the second most active carrier program in the world with a training cruise every two month.

     
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    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

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  4. SexyChineseLady

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    Training on the Yellow Sea are done very often.

     
  5. Hari Sud

    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Not true, it is the fuel oil which is burnt to generate steam. The Chinese did their upgrade themselves hence not carefully built the refractory lined fireboxes to burn fuel oil properly.

    No INS Vikramaditya has very carefully built fire boxes. It was once lined with Chinese made refractory lining. Then it was removed and reclined with a higher grade refractories. Hence in case of Vikramaditya, very little smoke is emitted.
     
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  6. SexyChineseLady

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    No smoke and heavy operation tempo.


    There are many videos of the Liaoning and the J-15s training off of it.

    I don’t see many videos of the Vikramaditya. I don’t think India’s Russian carrier cruiser is very active unlike Liaoning which is at sea constantly.
     
  7. SexyChineseLady

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    Funny TomoNews video about the Liaoning sailing around Taiwan and being tracked by Taiwanese aircraft.



    Any nation bother tracking the Vikramaditya? Or does it even sail often? I never seen any news or pictures of even Pakistan shadowing it.
     
  8. J20!

    J20! Senior Member Senior Member

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    Do you have any evidence or source materials to back up that claim?

    Sure... Very little indeed...

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    Get over it gents. Both ships are powered by fuel oil burning steam turbines, they will smoke from time to time. All you're doing is blowing hot air (pun intended) to troll this thread. AGAIN.
     
  9. J20!

    J20! Senior Member Senior Member

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    Again with the brain farts. Do you even know how often and how far the Liaoning has traveled to date? How many exercises she's taken part in?

    It's pretty obvious that the Indian fanboys who regularly troll this thread whenever any pics or news on CV16 are posted, secretly wish the IN had bought the Varyag instead of ex-Gorshkov. Who wouldn't trade a missile cruiser with an island in the middle of its flight deck masquerading as a carrier, for a ship that was ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO BE A CARRIER.
     
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  10. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Considering it never leaves Chinese waters I would guess not very far.

    It is pretty obvious Chinese fanboys who regularly troll this forum with pics of Ukrainian scrap metal and think they have a potent combat platform that even the PLAN designates as training only wish they had bought the Gorshkov instead of the Varyag. Who wouldn't trade a missile cruiser masquerading as a carrier for another missile cruiser masquerading as another carrier but is actually designated as scrap metal?
     
  11. J20!

    J20! Senior Member Senior Member

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    Cue the "French"/ ie Indian troll. I don't think posting pics or news of of Liaoning on the "Liaoning thread" counts as trolling. That's the whole point of the thread.

    Yes, Chinese and the Chinese Navy secretly wish they had purchased the $2.35 Billion con-job from Russia with

    1. An island in the middle of it's flight deck dangerously close to it's second take-off position's takeoff
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    2. Aircraft lifts in the middle of the flight deck, limiting ergonomics, aircraft deck movement and sortie generation. Looks more like the lifts on a helicopter carrier or 1960's European carrier.
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    1. An island well placed to starboard to accommodate a clutter free flight deck
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    2. Deck edge lifts like any modern carrier:
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    Yeah I'm sure every admiral in the Chinese Navy is saddened that they missed out on the $2.35 Billion blunder that is INS Vikramaditya.

    PS. You do know that every Soviet carrier is by definition Ukrainian right? Including Vikramaditya. Again, if the much younger Ex-Varyag Hull is scrap, pray tell what is the twice commissioned, 30-year old, $2.35 billion Ex-Gorshkov? Ask any serious naval aviation officer which they'd operate and it would most likely be unanimous in CV16's favour.
     
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  12. J20!

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    The "CHINI EXPERT " returns, ignoring every request for evidence or source materials.

    There was a time on this very thread and forum that you claimed that CV16 had no engines. Then when it became obvious that you made it up, you claimed she had no arrestor gear.

    Now you're claiming it can't sail out to sea because the hull was in salt water for a decade. It was designed and built to be AN OCEAN GOING SHIP numb-skull. Of course it can resist SEA WATER.

    Where is your source for "Russia didn't want it because it was rusted not even worth scrapping". Varyag was still under construction pierside when the Soviet Union collapsed in '91, 3 years after she was launched.

    The Russian Navy didnt want Varyag BECAUSE THEY WERE BROKE. the Post Soviet Navy couldn't even maintain the ships it had, including Gorshkov and its sister ships. They couldn't even maintain Kuznetsov yet you'd have people believe they could afford to complete and operate a second carrier?

    PS. Unlike some who we're ripped off by Sevmash, even in the 2000's Chinese shipyards could refurbish a never-before used Hull. Refit work began in 2003 at Dailan shipyard:
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    2005 back pierside after months of Hull refurbishment and painting
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    Non skid zinc chromate primer applied in 2006
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    Non skid surface completed, work continues on the island-2007
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    I'm not one of the Indian trolls you can fool with your unsubstantiated rubbish like @Hari Sud and co. Try using a source next time.

    Go waste someone elses time with ur BS.
     
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  13. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    The Gorshkov was operated from 1987 until 1996, well after the fall of the Soviet Union. They had plenty of money to operate it then and took it out of service because its steam boilers had a tendency to explode, just like the ones you purchased from Ukraine. The Vikramaditya has a new and improved boiler design, the Liaoning does not which is why in 2014 there was an explosion in the engine room causing a media blackout and a helpless carrier floating off the coast of China. Who knows how many died but the carrier had to go back to dock in shame.
     
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  14. J20!

    J20! Senior Member Senior Member

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    Again, no pics no proof just @Armand2REP 's usual nonsense.

    The Kiev class and the Kuznetsov class did not operate with the same boilers. If u recall, EXPERT, one class is several thousand tons heavier than the other and a decade younger.

    Cut the BS. The history of the Post Soviet Russian Navy is there for anyone to study. Gorshkov had a catastrophic boiler explosion that the Russian Navy DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO REPAIR. SHE WAS MOTHBALLED FOR 8 YEARS. Along with 60+ more surface ships and submarines which were decommissioned early or mothballed. If they "had plenty of money" why did they decommission so many ships in their fleet so early? Why didn't they refurbish the faulty Kuznetsov? Why where there scores of submarines and surface ships rotting at peir and at naval graveyards?

    Where is your proof of CV16 drifting at sea after "the boiler explosion" or the "dead sailors"?? If I remember correctly, it was the Vikramaditya which suffered a boiiler explosion during sea trials?

    http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...in-boilers-according-to-russian-shipyard.html

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ial-to-start-in-june/articleshow/18293935.cms

    If there's one thing you're good at, it's detailing threads with 0 verifiable sources.
     
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  15. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    It is pretty funny to see 50 cent Army demanding proof when there is an Army of 40,000 scrubbing the Chinese internet of proof. Just like you got caught trying to bury the railcars of the worst HSR disaster in the history of the world with the bodies still inside. Your little secret still got out just as the explosion on your brand new/old carrier. The problem on Gorshkov was what stemmed the need for new boilers or didn't you read on?

    Not to mention Gorshkov was in active service for 9 years, well after the collapse and mothballed for 8 years and we saw how much work needed to be done even reconstructing sections of its decks. Your carrier spent that much time unpainted, unmaintained and left to rust. It is not even structurally sound much less fit for extended deployment which is why it never leaves Chinese waters. As it sits right now the Kuznetsov in all of its miserable shape is in better condition than that rust bucket of scrap called Liaoning. Putting lipstick on a pig is still a pig.
     
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    Soooo... you're claiming you can't post proof because the "50 cent Army" stole it? You're a waste of bandwidth "French I"/ie Indian.

    Still claiming that "Russia didn't want it because it was rusted not even worth scrapping"? When the SU fell in '91 Varyag was still being outfitted. HOW IS A NEW HULL STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION SO RUSTED ITS NOT WORTH SCRAPPING?

    Gorshkov barely went to sea, lasted 5 years, had a boiler explosion and was mothballed. 60+ ships and subs we're decomissioned mothballed or left to rot in graveyard piers. Yeah, it seems like the Russian Navy had all the money in the world after '91 right?

    Gorshkov wasn't just refurbuished but CONVERTED INTO A CARRIER - of course the work was extensive genius. Varyag started refurbishment work at Dailan shipyard in 2003, 12 years after the fall of the SU. It took 8 years to restore her hull and complete the ship, from 2003 - 2011. Those are verifiable facts which i've proven with photographic evidence. As opposed to you and your "scrubbed proof".

    Liaoning was commissioned for the first time in 2012, not 1987. Not structurally sound eh?

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    Let us know when she suddenly sinks. It's not like you've been consistently been proven wrong about this ship over 7 years on this thread.

    Next you'll be repeating your old claim that she doesn't have engines or arrestor gear, or that the J20 is a PhotoShop job.
     
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  17. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Correct, it is posting a 404 error because it was scrubbed but the excerpt is 一次航母试航过程中,后机炉舱给水管泄露,大量滚烫的炉水和蒸汽喷涌而出,机舱瞬间就淹没在水汽当中。得知情况后,楼富强立即到达现场,“班长以上人员留下,其他人员马上撤离!”下达完命令后,他一拉衣领就冲了进去,头发淋湿了,身上烫伤了,衣服刮破了……在他的带领下,大家奋不顾身,看不到破损的部位就用手摸,底板架太高就跳到热浪袭人的舱底抢修

    It was an article posted about the chief engineer and what a basket case the engines of Liaoning are with equipment failure of 500 items and what a master engineer he was to even get it to sea but still could not prevent tragedy.

    You seem to miss the point that the steel of Varyag was left untreated from 1985 until 2005 when it was drydocked at Dalian. That is a span of 20 years with no treatment, 17 years of it was in the water. You can't just leave it with no maintenance and have it be sea worthy. French were there pissing on its deck trudging through the rust piles to measure it for traversing the Hellespont. It is verifiable facts that this ship was not taken care of, that Ukraine tried selling it to everyone through public auction and Chinese were the only ones dumb enough to buy it as a "training ship" that never leaves Chinese waters. These are facts, lipstick on a pig.

    As for the Gorshkov, whatever its problems it is still the most fit for duty of the three currently serving FSU carriers. Liaoning is at the bottom.
     
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    aditya10r Mera Bharat mahan Senior Member

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    Varyag was also lying dead near the straight of Bosporus because Turks did not allow.

    Chinese had to ease up trade with the Turks.
     
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    Why the hell are we getting in a d**k measuring contest with the Liaoning? :confused:
    Indian CVBG can not easily take over Parcel islands.
    Similarly, Chinese CVBG can not stand against Car Nicobar.

    Where are an Indian CVBG and a Chinese CVBG going to meet in a war? In Malacca straits? Yeah, right.
     
  20. Khagesh

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    India has a bigger sea to take care of than the Chinese.
    Chinese on the other hand have several decades of operational catching up to do.

    Vik and Liaoning have their purposes cut out and are fulfilling these.
     
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