Maitri SR-SAM

[power_monger]

After France kept us hanging for more than 5yrs, now that DRDO is capable in seeker tech and is actively pursuing Astra based QR-SRSAM, France has finally woken up.

Now that the big $s are on the verge of flying away, they are falling head over heels to get the contract.

DRDO is tasting great sucess on seeker front. chances of maitri now getting frutified is very less.Indian government should waste no time to set up plant to produce high quality detectors(focal plane array).Once done achieving complete missile autonomy will not be far away.

 

[cobra commando]

France hopeful of $6-billion Maitri missile project - The Economic Times

 

[halloweene]

Had quick PM talks with a MBDA top ranked. He confirmed the Maitri co-development. There is also a project for a 8KMs range ATGW co-design.

 

[ash2win]

Had quick PM talks with a MBDA top ranked. He confirmed the Maitri co-development. There is also a project for a 8KMs range ATGW co-design.

It is under development or still discussing ?

 

[halloweene]

Afaik Maitri in development, ATGW discussing.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Afaik Maitri in development, ATGW discussing.

maitri in development without any agreement contrcot ?

just like that ?

 

[Immanuel]

Now they will say, Rafale in production for India without a deal

Maitri has no takers, there is no official deal. Probably some French buttering ongoing with MOD to keep it going but final deal highly unlikely.

 

[ash2win]

Now they will say, Rafale in production for India without a deal

Maitri has no takers, there is no official deal. Probably some French buttering ongoing with MOD to keep it going but final deal highly unlikely.

Maitri is perfect for Army SRSAM + QRSAM requirements, For Navy and IAF its optional.
Its funny when people say a 720kg missile with additional seaker can fully replace a 100kg missile.

about Rafale part, Yes Dassault is already producing Rafale for foreign customers, be it India or oman.

 

[Immanuel]

Maitri is perfect for Army SRSAM + QRSAM requirements, For Navy an IAF its optional.
Its funny when people say a 720kg missile with additional seaker can fully replace a 100kg missile.

about Rafale part, Yes Dassault is already producing Rafale for foreign customers, be it India or oman.

Maitri is not perfect, since its no where near ready, secondly no one said anything about comparing 100kg missile to a 720 kg missile. Thirdly, Rafale is not under production for any body other than France, if India won't buy it, chances are no one will. The fact that Rafale has not yet had a single export, already points to Dassault's inability to sell what is at the very least a brilliant aircraft.

Maitri is of no use to IA either since we can get far better options like SOSNA-R/ Pantsir-S for a far better cost, the Russian's would be more than willing to entertains us. More so, this whole Rafale fiasco ongoing only points to chances of France falling flat on its promises when it comes tech transfer and cost.

We are better off either developing something ourselves or going in for direct buy + make in India for Russian's systems that come mated with AA guns as well which also brings in dual redundancies.

 

[ash2win]

Maitri is not perfect, since its no where near ready, secondly no one said anything about comparing 100kg missile to a 720 kg missile. Thirdly, Rafale is not under production for any body other than France, if India won't buy it, chances are no one will. The fact that Rafale has not yet had a single export, already points to Dassault's inability to sell what is at the very least a brilliant aircraft.

Maitri is of no use to IA either since we can get far better options like SOSNA-R/ Pantsir-S for a far better cost, the Russian's would be more than willing to entertains us. More so, this whole Rafale fiasco ongoing only points to chances of France falling flat on its promises when it comes tech transfer and cost.

We are better off either developing something ourselves or going in for direct buy + make in India for Russian's systems that come mated with AA guns as well which also brings in dual redundancies.

Maitri is perfect according to army RFI for QR/SR SAM requirements - http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/47/rfi-ii-280110.pdf / LIVEFIST: India Begins $2.2-billion QR-SAM Procurement Effort

Actually its almost ready! , Maitri is just an indian version of MICA VL with indian radars and smokeless engine.MBDA will provide seeker, thrust vector and end game algorithms with full ToT. According to K Saraswat's IIT lecture design is in advanced stage. So,in 3-4 years we can start production.

On Rafale,its true that rafale's production rate 11 per year till 2017 includes some for export customers.Im not going further as this is not the threa to discuss rafale.

Supporting Pantsir-S itself contradicts your last paragraph and the fact that Maitri will be 80% indigenous and will be build fully by BDL makes its the perfect bet or india.

With DRDO outfits DRDL (Defence Research and Development Laboratory, Hyderabad) and BDL (Bharat Dynamics Limited, Hyderabad) being identified, respectively, as the design agency and the production agency of the missile, the SRSAM will be "80 per cent Indian", says the MBDA country head. It will be a finest example of the Modi government's "Make in India" initiative, he said.

The SRSAM (15km to 40 km range) will be an Indian product and the government can export it to other countries too if it wishes to do so, Piedevache says and adds that all critical components of the missile will be manufactured in India. "We shall be there only to offer expertise", he says.

Akash induction unlikely to hit France's Maitri project

Only missile I can compare MICA VL is under development CAMM(Missile family).Just like CAMM, Maitri dont have a need for separate tracking radars, making it compatible with any 2D or 3D surveillance radars and allows targets to be hit that are not in line-of-sight. In flight, the missile can receive mid-course guidance via a datalink before the active homing radar seeker takes over for the final approach to target. Which is perfect for small navy ships.

So, What do you choose?
Another cheap Russian import mall or An indigenous missile with futuristic performance and features ?

 

[arnabmit]

Forget the decades old MICA technology for Maitri.

Maitri is based on MICA. And MICA's 40Km range is only when air-launched. VLS launched version has only 20Km range. MICA at 7Km can do 50G, whereas at 12Km can barely do 30G due to energy bleed. At 20Km it is down to less than 15G.

If MBDA is interested then the only platform they should offer which would interest us is MBDA CAMM. which can offer higher Gs with an option of both IR and Active Radar Homing seekers.

But then again, Research Center Imarat has already developed these seekers.

Indigenous QR-SRSAM is under the works. We are going to have our own QR-SRSAM in the next 3yrs, with much better performance than MICA.

 

[ash2win]

But then again, Research Center Imarat has already developed these seekers.

Indigenous QR-SRSAM is under the works. We are going to have our own QR-SRSAM in the next 3yrs, with much better performance than MICA.

I think that is the precious reason for current hesitation.
Its performance matches the requirements, And who said we cant improve it make it comparable to CAMM as we are doing full design an propulsion.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

there is also talk of someting like Aakash + Astra combo on the lines of Spyder (python + derby ) and Mica itself is a combo of A2a + g2a
+ the contract is in negotiations since ages

i dont think it is happening at all

 

[power_monger]

Forget the decades old MICA technology for Maitri.

Maitri is based on MICA. And MICA's 40Km range is only when air-launched. VLS launched version has only 20Km range. MICA at 7Km can do 50G, whereas at 12Km can barely do 30G due to energy bleed. At 20Km it is down to less than 15G.

If MBDA is interested then the only platform they should offer which would interest us is MBDA CAMM. which can offer higher Gs with an option of both IR and Active Radar Homing seekers.

But then again, Research Center Imarat has already developed these seekers.

Indigenous QR-SRSAM is under the works. We are going to have our own QR-SRSAM in the next 3yrs, with much better performance than MICA.

Mango Question: What stops us from using Astra as QR-SAM? Astra when launched from Ground has 21 kms range which is same as the MICA launched from VLS.

 

[arnabmit]

Mango Question: What stops us from using Astra as QR-SAM? Astra when launched from Ground has 21 kms range which is same as the MICA launched from VLS.

Nothing, that's what is being done. Modified Astra would be indigenous SRSAM.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

then why do we need Maitri ?

 

[Hari Sud]

Maitri is unlikely to happen, but some media channel are still harping on it. Because it is imported stuff, hence internal push is being made to get India onboard the Maitri project.

Who has been bribed, we do not know. System is half finished, still it is being pushed. Imagine a half finished DRDO project is placed before the Indian Armed forces, the hue and cry would be great, but not in this case.

 

[Immanuel]

Maitri is perfect according to army RFI for QR/SR SAM requirements - http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/47/rfi-ii-280110.pdf / LIVEFIST: India Begins $2.2-billion QR-SAM Procurement Effort

Actually its almost ready! , Maitri is just an indian version of MICA VL with indian radars and smokeless engine.MBDA will provide seeker, thrust vector and end game algorithms with full ToT. According to K Saraswat's IIT lecture design is in advanced stage. So,in 3-4 years we can start production.

On Rafale,its true that rafale's production rate 11 per year till 2017 includes some for export customers.Im not going further as this is not the threa to discuss rafale.

Supporting Pantsir-S itself contradicts your last paragraph and the fact that Maitri will be 80% indigenous and will be build fully by BDL makes its the perfect bet or india.


Akash induction unlikely to hit France's Maitri project

Only missile I can compare MICA VL is under development CAMM(Missile family).Just like CAMM, Maitri dont have a need for separate tracking radars, making it compatible with any 2D or 3D surveillance radars and allows targets to be hit that are not in line-of-sight. In flight, the missile can receive mid-course guidance via a datalink before the active homing radar seeker takes over for the final approach to target. Which is perfect for small navy ships.

So, What do you choose?
Another cheap Russian import mall or An indigenous missile with futuristic performance and features ?

You quote a Frenchman and expect us to buy it? We have seen for the last 3.5 years what happens when you believe well spoken Frenchmen

Read carefully, I said either we develop something ourselves or go for something Russian, IA could have already ordered SOSNA-R for all we know. Actually pretty silly to underestimate Pantsir, which has already shot down live cruise missiles in tests. Looking at the current budget issues, cheap or inexpensive is a good thing.

 

[arnabmit]

then why do we need Maitri ?

We don't. That is why France is screaming Maitri, but India is silent.

 

[cobra commando]

Ten days before Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi lands in Paris on his first official visit, there's going to be plenty on the table to announce. Moments ago, the Indian MoD cleared the decks for the revival of the all-but- stalled Indo-French SR-SAM (designated 'Maitri') programme. The MoD has instructed the DRDO to progress project discussions with MBDA to begin development for an SR-SAM system for the Indian Navy. As Livefist reported last month, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had received representations from both MBDA and the Indian Navy on moving ahead with the project. Here's Livefist's projection : 1. The programme will now move ahead principally as a ship-borne SR-SAM system. Spin off variants for the IAF and Indian Army could presumably come later. 2. MBDA says development will be complete in three years from agreement signature. Things could move quickly given that all workshare and other components of the partnership have already been decided. 3. MBDA has represented to the DRDO that the Maitri programme could be plugged in for the Akash Mk.2. The precise modalities of that will need to be worked out, though the DRDO is currently on a well-earned high on Akash Mk.1 -- deliveries to the Indian Army begin in a few days, with fresh orders from the IAF in the works.
LIVEFIST: Indo-French SR-SAM Project Is Back ON