Long live India-Pakistan enmity

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India needs Pakistan to be Bakistan!!! Read the OP first before voting

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  1. ezsasa

    ezsasa Senior Member Senior Member

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    Pakistan is the best thing to have happened to India... and don’t go jumping off your skin and flexing all your 320 pairs of patriotic muscles looking for my, all too mortal, neck to wring. Hear me out first and then you may string me up from the flag pole at Wagah Attari.

    So what does a nation need, to be marked out for greatness? Initiative and unity and prosperity and enterprise are all fine but over and above all of these is the need for a foil, a contrast against which you expend your energies. It has to be a goal that is achievable and it has to be something that gives you purpose. For India that perfect foil, not just for greatness but to achieve anything tangible, is Pakistan – from cricket to nuclear bombs Indians want to be able to rub it in as to who did it first and who did it better.

    Who says size matters because in this, mine is bigger than yours, game it is a bit of David versus Goliath situation…182 odd million Pakistanis against 1.252 odd billion Indians. 796 thousand square kilometres against 3.288 million square kilometres of land mass. Pakistan’s total of 1.5 million Defence forces pitted against India’s 4.7 million including reserves.

    Almost on all accounts, other than per capita income - $1275 for Pakistan and $1498 for India and life expectancy in India of 66.46 years compared to 66.59 years in Pakistan, there is no comparison between the two neighbours. Yet, again in almost everything that they do, they are constantly matching themselves against each other. One can understand Pakistan doing this because being the smaller competitor it has set its goals at a higher plinth, but the funny thing is that for India too, this pesky neighbour provides for so much of momentum.

    News mediums thrive on India-Pakistan reportage; there are specialists who specialise; analysts who analyse; hawks who advocate extermination and doves who chant brotherly love. Long and lucrative careers are made in the India-Pakistan business; politicians have a steady source of material to berate their opponents with; the army has a target, to off load near retirement date, ammunition; scientists have a ready reason to receive funding to build deadlier weapons; cricketers and hockey players know which is the only team they have to beat, even if they lose the tournament; filmmakers have a saleable theme to reinterpret; authors have a plot; evening news on TV has screaming, shouting, jingoistic entertainment and in all of this India has a goal to put Pakistan firmly in its place.

    How dull life would be in India if there were no Pakistan. There would be no Kashmir, no enthusiasm in cricket, no onions to import, no Dawood to catch, no Hafiz Saeed to rant against, the six foot moustachioed BSF personnel at the Wagah gate wouldn’t have swollen knees and bruised heels, China wouldn’t have an all weather friend in the vicinity, there would be no version of Pak Taliban, USA would have billions of dollars to spare for aid and war elsewhere, Iran would be a neighbour and the pipeline from there would have only one border to cross, the Army would be smaller and Army personnel would have lesser number of medals to wear, political leaders would be all bald having to scratch their heads trying to figure out who to blame and how to distract attention, film directors would have to innovate with more versions of, dancing around the tree, love themes and Indians of Islamic faith, on being told to go to Indonesia if they didn’t like matters here, would have to learn a new "Bahasa".

    India needs Pakistan to be India. The entire contemporary culture and life of India is dependent on Pakistan being Pakistan. In the natural world, things exist because there is a specific need for it and life species continue to exist till its need remains. When there is no need for it species die off and become extinct. Pakistan exists because there is the very clear and specific need for Pakistan to exist, it exists to make India – India. Also the relationship between Pakistan and India is symbiotic, even parasitic, because not only does India and Pakistan exist because of each other but they feed of each other as well.

    If we go by world history, then this goading that India receives from Pakistan might yet propel it to political and economic greatness. England and France were at it for a few centuries before England reigned supreme. It happened with China and Japan, with USA and Soviet Union going all the way back to the Romans and Greeks. So India does not need puny peace loving neighbours such as Nepal and Bhutan and Maldives, it needs someone tough and deceptive and mischievous like Pakistan to keep it on its toes and to constantly keep pricking India out of complacent and peaceful boredom. And in all probability, because of all the deviousness that is believed to be intrinsic to that country, Pakistan knows how important it is to the very constitution of India.

    It is because of Pakistan that Indians have a common enemy; it is because of Pakistan that India knows the fallout of cessation and will not allow it to ever happen again and it is because of Pakistan that Indians are creating Phantoms instead of Kashmir ki Kalis.

    The trick is, to not let on that India knows that Pakistan knows, what regular Indians and Pakistanis don’t know - that 68 years after its creation; after a million deaths in its birth; after the largest population exchange ever in history; India needs to accept that in the long run Pakistan is the best thing that might have happened to India. And since the national security advisors or defence ministers or even Narendra Modi and Nawaz Sharif are ever going to shake on it…the future of India (and Pakistan) is secure because the - I can piss further than you, game of cavemen vintage is no fear of ending anytime soon.

    Long live India-Pakistan enmity…we owe it to our children, for the dividends to be shared, to the extremities of the foreseeable future.

    http://www.dailyo.in/politics/pakis...ndra-modi-nawaz-sharif-army/story/1/5806.html
     
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  3. Sylex21

    Sylex21 Regular Member

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    Your post makes a valid point and it is an interesting way to look at things if one hasn't done so already over the years.

    Overall I still disagree with your post due to two points, I'll list them in short but skip most of the explanations unless really needed.

    1. Pakistan comes at great cost to India as well. You listed the positives but the list of negatives would be much longer and far outweigh the benefits.

    2. India could easily fill the playful void of competition with China or the USA and be far more motivated to do better aspiring to a nation ahead of itself, while still having plenty of other nations to compare itself to that it is doing much better than, if it wants a feel good kick.

    In conclusion what Pakistan provides as the foil could be provided by others at greater benefit and much lower cost/risk/effort.

    Pakistan is more like herpes for India. They once shared some good times together but now it is an annoying irritation that tends to to pop up unexpectedly from time to time and occasionally ruins some really good dates with nations.
     
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    Indibomber Regular Member

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    Bakistan has been bane for growth of India. The only thing that we have probably gained fighting each other is Military might. Our growth in terms of IT, Economics, Healthcare has nothing to do with them. In-fact they have only stopped us from realizing our potential.
     
  5. ezsasa

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    I would argue that if there was no pakistan problem, we would more likely be like brazil. Full of potential but unable to progress because of internal problems. If we did not have a common enemy we would have seen more of infighting on the lines of language, caste religion etc.

    At a military level, China would probably be our only enemy.

    On economic level, i don't think we would have done that well. i always argue that there a limitations upto which a socialistic democracy can grow up to.
     
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    Bullshit...........................................................
     
  7. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    agreed ........ infact i had posted this earlier
    annd this

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-nuclear-armed-neighbour-like-pakistan.69439/
     
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  8. I_PLAY_BAD

    I_PLAY_BAD Regular Member

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    Pakistan was not able to stop us from realizing our potential. The true reason was our myopic politics.
    Think again, is Pakistan really capable of that ?
     
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  9. Tony HMG

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    Well, this whole post looks sarcasm. The only reason that our politicos would never ever permanently solve the Pakistan issue is cause there seems to be some kind of devious arrangement between Indian & Pakistan politicians to keep the issue alive for ever. In India a normal mans & an army mans life is cheap as compared to our ministers.So they don't care if we or the army personnel keep dying. This could go on for centuries, pakistan would continue their shooting practice in India, like 26/11 or 7/11 and countless other practice sessions. We are actually sitting ducks for pakistan sponsored jihad in India, while our shamless politicos would continue with their talks/aman ki asha/diplomacy. ''Aa bail mujhe maar'' is our second name for our national security.
     
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    I_PLAY_BAD Regular Member

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    What you said is applicable only for Sickular parties like Congress.
    They are the ones who downplay jihad in India to retain mullah votes.
     
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    This applies to NDA as well.The kandahar fiasco is solely on the NDA government. Bloody few jihadis are allowed to refuel in Punjab and let off & our huge military are kept waiting. Hafeez Saiyed goes back happily. Vajpayee makes friendship with Shareef, then we get a Kargil. Now also that moron Rajnath Singh was speaking of talks with pakistan, when pak army is killing our soldiers & civilians at the border.
    Israel executes Entebbe operation, and our image is feeding biryanis to jihadis.
     
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    It was a bold decision to release terrorists. When they hijacked a plan and blackmailed India decided to save the civilians. What is wrong with that ?

    India-Pakistan relationship is completely controlled by Pakistan Army. Yes, Vajpayee did make friendship with NS. But Kargil was not sanctioned by the pakistani Government but Pakistani Army. The Army headed by Musharraf went rogue and when Nawaz was trying to penalize Musharraf after Pakistan lost Kargil Musharraf started a coup d'etat. Nawaz was a toy back then and now. Even now Nawaz is ready for peace but not the PA.
     
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    That was not a bold decision, but a cowardly decision that was to hurt our country. Whole of our military might becomes a big zero, when few terrorists carrying pistols/knives are allowed to leave your land. This all comes down to our political will & on this NDA scores same as UPA.
    Vajpee completely erred on mending ties with pakistan,You dont make friendship with your enemy, who OPENLY is killing your army personnel and civilians.
    This whole shit of Sharif wanting peace & pak army wanting violence, is peddled by our shit media like times now & ndtv. Its crystal clear the whole pakistan political brigade & the army hates India.
     
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    It would be sad for the nation of India and Bharat as a civilisation if we are to live as an antithesis to an artificial filth called Pakistan rather than have a distinct identity of our own.

    So no, let the enmity end between pak and India such that pak no longer exist and is balkanised and India can move onto become the next pole and center of the world
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    And the leftist morons back home buy that shit like dev prasad
     
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    Hating a country will not halt you from negotiating with it. That is what the governments do. What role has the army have in foreign relations and diplomacy ? That is the point I am making. Though Pakistan's official posture is against India a civilian government would have mended ties with us. PS is playing spoil sport by not allowing both the countries to do that.
     
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    Why the hell we want to negotiate with a terrorist country like pakistan.Putin rightly once said on the chechen jihadis that there can be no negotiations with terrorists. What are we to gain with Pakistan being our friend? Their only export to the whole world including India is Terrorism.

    Our politicos simply need to grow balls like Vladimir Putin.
     
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    Unfortunately my friend Pakistan is not just a bunch of terrorists. We need to look at the facts too.
    It is a nuke nation with enough backing from you-know-who.
    So it won't be mature to start a full-fledged war with them.
    Negotiating means asking them to get out of PoK. Not sitting with them and talking about land sharing.
     
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    There is no point in negotiating with Pakistan who uses terrorism as a state policy and is vocal with UNINFORMED SOLDIERS and STATELESS ACTORS..
     
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    Who the hell wants t do a full fledged war against these vermin.We should be doing what pakistan is doing here.Simple.
     
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    And you think we are not doing it ? Ask Pakis. They will tell stories about India's support to terrorism within Pakistan.
     

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