Lokpal: Govt may follow BJP proposal on Lokayuktas - make it optional

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  1. ejazr

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    Lokpal: Govt may follow BJP proposal on Lokayuktas - Indian Express

    Faced with roadblocks over the Lokpal Bill in Rajya Sabha, the government appears inclined to accept the BJP suggestion to invoke Article 252 to provide for appointment of Lokayuktas in the state. Sources in the government said here on Monday that they felt the BJP suggestion could provide the basis for addressing the concerns of regional parties, which are up in arms against the Centre encroaching upon their powers.

    The government, as per sources, is likely to hold consultations with different parties during the three-month Parliament recess beginning on March 31. Sources ruled out the appointment of a select committee of the RS to examine the Bill. “It would mean one year,” the sources said, underlining that the government did not want to delay the legislation.

    Leaders of the Opposition Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley had pleaded with the government during the Winter Session to take resort to Article 252 of the Constitution, and not 253, as it had done at present.

    Jaitley reiterated the party position at the floor leaders’ meeting convened by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh last Friday.

    Swaraj had pointed out in the Lok Sabha on December 27 that Article 252 made it optional for the states to enact a law on a Central model, while Article 253 rendered it “mandatory.”

    Speaking in the RS on December 29, Jaitley, too, had asked the Centre to get resolutions from two states.
     
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  3. Ray

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    The Govt is in total disarray.

    Latest news is that MS Bannerjee is trying to forge an union with other CMs to oppose the same and NCTC.
     
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    I am not sure if this means the state Lokayukta could be appointed by Central govt which means another Congress stooge to torture opposition ruled states as per the current form of the UPA framed Lokpal Bill.

    Ok Article 252 allows Parliament legislate for the states, so basically I think states that do not have Lokayukta may fall under this category.
     
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    There is no need to speculate on this, the Lokpal and Lokayukta bill 2011 as passed by Lok Sabha is available for all of us to read and the selection comittee is quite clearly defined.

    It consists of
    (a) the Chief Minister-chairperson;
    (b) the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly-member;
    (c) the Leader of Opposition in the Legislative Assembly-member;
    (d) the ChiefJustice of the High Court of the State or a Judge of the High Court nominated by him-member;
    (e) an eminent jurist nominated by the Governor-member;.

    So if for example the BJP is the ruling party, their CM will be the chairperson of the selection comittee

    For the union as well, the selection committe is pretty much the same except the instead of the CM, its the PM who will be the chairperson. And instead of the Governor, it will be the President who will nominate a member.

    http://www.prsindia.org/uploads/med...okpal and Lokayuktas Bill as passed by LS.pdf


    The problem with making this optional is that no state will voluntary ever want to put in the Lokayukta bill and implement it. This was one way of forcing the system down to the state level now even if it was imperfect. Changes and modifications could have been made later to improve it as time goes by. But atleast you had the basic structure of Lokayuktas in place in all states.

    Mamata di will obvioulsy oppose it as she has done all important policy decisions but also because she doesn't want to deal with Lokayuktas interfereing in her work.
     
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    Thanks, was feeling lazy to look up the info...:cool2:
     
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    Win for BJP. Win for Congress. Win for all state level babus. Loss for all Indians.
     
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    Let us not be too pessimistic. UK showed the way, Karnataka Lokayukta is alive and kicking the pants off BSY, SM Krishna and Kumaraswamy.

    Goa CM has promised that they will be creating a Lokayukta in 100 days time. Over a period of time, the states which have a anti-corruption ombudsman will be the preferred destination for investors and other states will be forced to follow them.
     
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    In that case be ready for the farce that happened in Karnataka, where the Lokayukta was made a joke and in Gujarat, where he is a toothless tiger.

    I'm giving example of BJP states because that is the true colour of our politicians, they are no better than the Congress.
     
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    All we need is 2 or more model Lokayuktas which work and people in other states will force their state governments to follow the suit if they believe that Lokayuktas are good for the governance and removal of corrupt practices in the government.
     
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    No.

    BJP is full of saints who will lay down there lives for India while all others are foreign agents who loot India and give it to foreigners. Within 1 term of BJP rule India will take over the whole world. Be sensible and vote for BJP in next election if you are true nationalist otherwise you are traitor.
     
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    Lemontree, I was under the impression getting a CM to resign and to scurry to courts for bail, would have counted as an achievement for the Karnataka Lokayukta.

    On your second point I am in complete agreement politicians of all colours and across the spectrum are united on two points -- Getting salary increase and scuttling the Lokpal or any accountability bill.
     
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    Messiah, the reason Congress is on target is due to the fact that they are in power and under them a series of scams have been unearthed which defy in magnitude of the money involved and the brazenness of the politicians involved.
    IF BJP had been in place of Congress then they would have been on target.
     
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    If the Central government loses its credibility over not appointing Lokpal, what makes people think that state governments will not lose their credibility by not appointing Lokayukta?
     
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    Then the sensible point of view would be to bash both since both have been proved to be corrupt...No ?
     
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    Bash the party when the case comes up. If today it is BSY then bash BJP. By taking a swipe at everybody the focus just shifts and then we justify that all are corrupt so let us accept corruption as a way of life.
     
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    BSY has been defended by BJP fanboys in DFI only. Few people have agenda rather than speaking for what is good for India.
     
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    Anna Hazare and the Lokpal movement is a crucial social movement that can force the hand of Congress and other political parties to actually get a half decent lokpal and lokayukta in place.

    This pressure should not be diluted, and the pressure should not only be on the Congress but on the UPA constituents and also the oppostion. If we actually had got a 2/3 constitutional amendment as well in place, then that would make it even more difficult for future govt. to mess around with the Lokpal.

    The momentum should not be lost and Congress politicians will only be too happy to blame it on oppostion and other UPA parties saying that they didn't allow them to pass this into law. Lets not give them that excuse.
     
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    You said the word fanboys. Sometimes I too join in Congress bashing.
     
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    the Anna led movement is very important, but we have seen taking on the establishment ( irrespective of the party) is very difficult as they can wear you out, by their delaying and diversionary tactics. We are seeing this with the Anna movement. It is very important for the common man and the media to keep the issue alive.
     
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    I was referring to the tenure of N Santosh Hegde from 2006 to 2010. It was only after he had resigned did the issue come to light, through the so called "paid" media. Before that he was fighting a frustrating battle. It was only through public pressure that he withdrew his resignation and the CM agreed that there was an illegal iron-ore export racket.

    The states will make all control from the centre week.

    There should always be a sword of damocles hanging over the heads of the states. Hence, the centre should have control over the Lokayuktas.
     

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