Lockheed Martin responds with Sea Hercules for Indian Navy’s Requirements

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  1. Neil

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    US defense and aviation giant Lockheed Martin unveiled the maritime version of its successful C-130 Hercules medium airlifter at the Singapore Air Show in February 2012. Vice President of Business Development, George Standridge, pointed to a tiny inset image in a slide during a presentation made at the show, calling it the ‘Sea Herc’.

    Lockheed Martin has responded with the Sea Hercules to the Indian Navy’s Request for Information (RFI) for Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft, as first reported byStratPost.

    Standridge went on, “And the beauty of this type of airplane – it’s a four-engine turbo-prop – it means time on station, it means the ability to prosecute targets and potential threats as well as shipping across a broad spectrum of any type of ocean mass. We’re spending a lot of time talking with new potential customers now in an effort to be responsive to that market as they look at the continued emphasis on maritime patrol surveillance as well as Anti Submarine Warfare.”

    StratPost dug a little deeper, asking about the genesis of the new variant and elicited an emailed response from Lockheed Martin about the configuration. The company says it has already built a ‘maritime configuration for the C-130 that the US Coast Guard currently operates’.

    “We are expanding the Maritime Patrol and Reconnaissance (MPRA) capability at the request of several international customers to include full Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW). The Lockheed Martin P-3 Orion MPRA operated by the US Navy and twenty domestic and international operators provides the modern mission system and sensors which can be palletized and transferred to the SC-130J Sea Herc. The C-130J operates in many different configurations in addition to its primary role as a combat delivery vehicle. Adding full ASW capability to the C-130J is a logical response to meet an international demand for a long range, long time on station, turbo prop multi-role aircraft,” said the company.

    The aircraft isn’t a mere concept, says the company. “With the exception of some test and development required for the full ASW configuration, the majority of SC-130J capability has been developed and is currently in operation. LM has developed many operational mission configurations for the C-130 based on customer requests. LM has considered the development of full ASW for the C-130J over the last ten years, but recent customer demand has moved this past the concept stage into development and test.”

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    Lockheed Martin says that ‘Not counting the systems brought in for Maritime Patrol and ASW and production and after production mods, there is no difference between a SC-130J Sea Herc and C-130J Super Hercules’.



    So what does make it different? “The ASW capabilities of the P-3 Orion including torpedoes, forward firing weapons and sonobuoy delivery have been incorporated into the SC-130J in-addition to the mission system and sensors,” says the company, also pointing out, “In-addition, the C-130J has a 60,000 flt hour rated center wing box providing the ideal ruggedness required to meet the turbulence often encountered in low altitude operations.”

    This does not mean the Sea Hercules will necessarily amount to the Orion’s systems onboard a Super Hercules. “The capability of the Sea Herc including ISR/ASW systems can be determined by the customer. While we are utilizing the latest P-3 mission system and software as a constant, the customer can tailor the sensors they desire to meet their operational needs,” says Lockheed Martin.

    But the Sea Hercules will bring the advantage of variable configuration over the P-3 Orion.



    “The ability to change from one mission configurations to another is not offered in the P-3, not to mention the economies gained in a single TMS airframe,” says the company.

    Lockheed Martin thinks the four turbo-prop engines of the platform make the aircraft a strong candidate for the Indian Navy. “The Sea Herc is designed to be a scalable MRMR MPRA adaptable to IN requirements. On station time is a critical component in the MPRA mission area and something the Sea Herc excels at when compared to a twin engine alternative. Payload capability, the ability to carry everything you need to execute the mission is another consideration when determining the right MPRA,” they say.

    With the Indian Air Force (IAF) already inducting C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, Lockheed Martin thinks the Sea Hercules would be a good fit for the Indian Navy, saying, “Once again, staying with a similar TMS which is operated by the IAF may be a consideration offering a potential sustainment economy.”


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  3. sesha_maruthi27

    sesha_maruthi27 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Are we going to get this one? If so it is good, but we can also opt for something which is RUSSIAN also............
     
  4. Neil

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    i think even P8i was offered....so lets see what does navy want....and i guess they are way better than russian has to offer [i stand corrected]
     
  5. asianobserve

    asianobserve Elite Member Elite Member

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    Sea Herc? What's next, Space Herc? This guys at LM really do have imaginative minds...
     
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    what else C-130 naval version can do what P-8i can't???

    pls throw ur expert comment
     
  7. Adux

    Adux Senior Member Senior Member

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    I dont know how it compare airframe wise to its competitors, MRMPA

    How does it compare to a SAAB or Embrarer?

    There is a nothing to be said about a improved P 3 suite, its top notch.

    EADS CN-235 : http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/cn235mp/
    SAAB 2000 : http://www.saabgroup.com/Air/Airbor...eillance/Maritime_Surveillance/Saab_2000_MPA/
    Airbus :http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/a319mpa/


    Since these would be the most likely candidates, how would an aircraft like the Hercules perform?
     
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    Which aircraft can make a tighter turn, C130 or B737?
     
  9. Adux

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    Wrong person to ask the question, also MPA, the jets are not preferred, we have the P8I
     
  10. Kunal Biswas

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    This is a good deal..
     
  11. SPIEZ

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    Why does Indian Navy need a "Medium Range Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft" when P8I also does the same?

    How many of these does IN want?
     
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  12. ash2win

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    Buddy,this is medium range,P8i is Long range.
    This is addition to P8i.
     
  13. Rahul Singh

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    For the sake of commonality Navy should choose C-130MPA, that of course if it fulfills the need. Also since it is american speedy delivery is almost guaranteed.
     
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  14. Yash Dangra

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    P8i is anti submarine warfare aircraft and sea herc is a Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft...
     
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    I am thinking of similarity of spares for the C-130 and C-130 Naval.

    Not a bad idea to get those birds.
     
  16. Adux

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    SAAB 2000


    CASA C-235
    EADS CASA C-295

    Sea Hercules C-130


     
  17. Adux

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    Price is going to be a huge consideration, since there is a lot of such configured aircraft required after 26/11
     
  18. Geoffrey R. Stone

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    Speaking as a Canadian-born citizen of Chinese descent, hoping to show some good will from Chinese people, I sincerely hope that India will be able to rely entirely on domestic defense items someday. It will be a good day when Russian, European, and American companies can not reap profits from India's defense requirements.
     
  19. Adux

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    Its basically investment, but on the longer run, we will get a enormous boost technologically, which we are utilizing in multiple other areas.
    Good example, is the Thales- Samtel venture. This is kind of boost something the chinese cant even imagine, We get more technologically and in time.
     
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  20. Geoffrey R. Stone

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    Yes. I agree. That's why I said "someday". Rather than develop an enduring dependency on foreign wares, India should use that know-how to develop a domestic military industrial complex.

     
  21. Adux

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    India doesnt even invest as much as the Chinese in R&D, yet in lot of areas, they are far ahead of the Chinese, that is because Indian technology projects are greatly aided by Foreign technology which has become the basis of creating new Indian technology, we are jumping generations. By 2025-30, India will be producing high class defense technology.
     

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