Line of Control & Border skirmish: News, Images & Discussion

[Willy2]

I think it's better thread to discuss , when we launch "Operation Meghdoot" in 1984 to get Siachen, was pak army deployed densely west of NJ9842 ??
I mean we as per public information we liberate the glacier and 3 important mountain passes before pak army arrive there . My question is , what if we want to move further west to take konkordea and 14 8000er ??? It could bring us lot closer to Skardu , and we could in future launch offense on it avoiding the tallest peaks of earth which currently give pak army cover in G-B.
If according to Simla agreement a defecto demilitarize zone establish in Siachen , was pak army than place soldier west of it ?? those area west of NJ9842 seems hostile too to maintain soldier without arctic suit.

 

[Bornubus]

Vajpayee was a scared Rabbit just like Manmohan and Modi, harmless little Rabbits. Vajpayee pissed his Pajama when Army wanted to cross the LOC and hit Pakis elsewhere to compensate for the disadvantage in Kargil. So we lost 550 ~ troops just to gain our own territory, then he invited Mushraf who was responsible for our deaths.

Years later, he again screwed up everything and humiliated himself by failed Operation Parakram. Then comes Manmohan whose only achievement is that he never visited Pakistan the land of his ancestors otherwise we still remember 26/11 and beheadings of our troops.

Both of these senile have no other achievements. If anything, the credit of these cross border strikes and kargil war goes the Army not these senile Rabbits. For ex congies taking the credit of Op Ginger is as stupid as BJPIGS taking the credit of surgical strikes.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indian-army-carried-out-surgical-strikes-in-2011/1/783534.html


Now it's the turn of Chodi Ji. Ab eske bare me kya kaha jaye

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...istan-a-terror-state/articleshow/57276496.cms



Meanwhile


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/narendra-modi-gonda-pakistan-kanpur-train/1/890869.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Pathankot_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Uri_attack



More Chutyapa continues



http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pm-narendra-modi-greets-paks-nawaz-sharif-on-birthday-1641561


And Pak reply

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/0...ly-passes-resolution-against-modi-calling-th/









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From 0.41 " Us Pakistan Madarchod ko es bar Marna hai"

 

[Bornubus]

A Forward Loc Post manned by composite COY size strength. Troops belong to Punjab Regt, Rajput regt, Sikh light infantry. Some south Indian troops too. Seems to be a Sniper's Paradise.

The commander (Major) is from Punjab Regt


Paki civilian areas and Army post can also be seen.

 

[Willy2]

@Bornubus window of MMG post are't very small , why it so ?? and what if pak army decide to charge bypassing the post ???

 

[Bornubus]

@Bornubus window of MMG post are't very small , why it so ??

Smaller the window, lower the chance for Pak HMG, ZPU -4 and AA shell to hit our troops manning the MMG.

and what if pak army decide to charge bypassing the post ???

I agree such Forward post are most succeptible for flanking attacks and Snipers. But if you notice, this post has a coy size manpower so it's not easy for Pakis to attack such posts. Beside there are Mines and surveillance equipments.



These are the First Tier of LoC anti infiltration grid.


But being a Forward post, the area behind this is Indian Territory. There must be other posts behind it along with the main fencing.

 

[Bornubus]

Video from Athmuqam Loc from late 90s demonstrating the superiority of Indian medium Artillery especially 105 mm Indian Field Gun. So when Lt Gen G D Bakshi said they Indian Army pulverized Nellam valley in 90s thus Pakis begged for a Ceasefire then he probably mean this ..........

1. Notice the Gunners virtually obliterated the Terrorist Building of JKLF in Athmuqam Town located in the valley and under observation from our Posts located over the Ridge

2. 4000 ~ Paki Population completely displaced. Indian Arty made their life a living hell

3. Proving the importance of Light and medium Arty in Mountain Areas/ Mountain Warfare

4. Pak Army capt specifically mentioned this Gun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/105_mm_Indian_Field_Gun

 

[Bornubus]

Paki Anti Aircraft Gun in ground attack mode.


Basically in LoC skirmishes the firepower offer by such AA gun is no less than an IFV or APC due to the devastating firepower of the Autocannon

 

[Bornubus]

My question is , what if we want to move further west to take konkordea and 14 8000er ??? It could bring us lot closer to Skardu ,

Even better. Indian would've taken Skardu in a swift Military action had Indira remained PM for 5 more years. We had such outstanding Military commanders at that time ready to take such bold initiative. Can you believe it the commander had the courage to take the battle above 16,000 ft frozen hellhole because the Human body is not made to live such at height let alone fighting a war at that altitude 21,000 ft


So Indian Army pioneer the High altitude warfare in modern History especially J&K li, Dogras, Gurkha, SFF and J&K Rifles troops


Sadly Rajeev was a coward and so did all the PM since then. Rajeev was so disgusted when Gen Hoon told him his Military plan for 2 front invasion of Sindh and Paki Punjab in 1987. Defensive warfare has imbedded in Indian psyche for more than 1000 years.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Must be somewhere in eastern zone of their geography, Over our areas such loud mouthing, Big flashing exposed gun would be a good target for almost every long range weapon system, so does the unit in that area for a little carpet bombing ..

She was bold but its the man in uniform who pushed her to take action,The golden era shall come back as permanent ..

Paki Anti Aircraft Gun in ground attack mode.

Basically in LoC skirmishes the firepower offer by such AA gun is no less than an IFV or APC due to the devastating firepower of the Autocannon

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Even better. Indian would've taken Skardu in a swift Military action had Indira remained PM for 5 more years. Defensive warfare has imbedded in Indian psyche for more than 1000 years.

 

[Bornubus]

World loves to hear the story of Carthaginian Hannibal Barca who invaded Roman Empire crossing the snow clad Alps but sadly most of the Indians are ignorant of our own Heroes such as Great Dogra Gen who crossed the mighty Himalayas not once but Five times and take the battle to the heart of the enemy. Conquered Gilgit, Baltistan, Ladakh and penetrated 400 - 800 km in China under Qing Dynasty.



Such was the glory of great Indian military commander Gen Jorawar Singh Father of Indian High altitude warfare and Nepolean of the East



Father figure for Dogra Troops and J&K Rifles

 

[Bornubus]

Must be somewhere in eastern zone of their geography, Over our areas such loud mouthing, Big flashing exposed gun would be a good target for almost every long range weapon system, so does the unit in that area for a little carpet bombing ..

She was bold but its the man in uniform who pushed her to take action,The golden era shall come back as permanent ..

Maybe in Northwest Pak but they can also mount them inside their post against Indian Army. Because LoC response is always proportionate and in same caliber.


We should also use 106 mm RCL guns on LoC. OFB making these Guns and ammunition locally. Carl Gustaf range is not enough to hit Paki posts.

 

[tharun]

Paki Anti Aircraft Gun in ground attack mode.


Basically in LoC skirmishes the firepower offer by such AA gun is no less than an IFV or APC due to the devastating firepower of the Autocannon


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Where is this.........?Are they attacking us?

 

[lcafanboy]

Defensive warfare has imbedded in Indian psyche for more than 1000 years.

Can't say for more than 1000 years. There were rulers who used pre emptive strikes, like Maharja Ranjit singh of Punjab and Chattrapati Shivaji and hence both were successful rulers who expanded their boundaries fighting against mighty Moghuls and Afghans. It was due to Maharaja Ranjit singh that britishers were able to rule punjab for just 70 odd years.

Yes what you are saying is correct the defensive warfare has been imbedded in Indian Pshyche but that was done by none other than coward and AAYASH NEHRU. Had we had Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel as our first PM this woud have not been the case he was forward looking and was ready to fight look at how he took pre emptive strike against Nawab of Hyderabad and all other Pricely states. And look at one state that Coward Nehru took to resolve, it is still in mess and whatever advantage India had is all lost because of that idiot.

I always think that pre emptive and first strikes are best method of defence. Offensive defence is best policy, first hit and when you are in advantageous position go for defensive posture and Talk-Talk. Indian govts do talk-talk and use defensive policy which doesn't work and in fact puts us in disadvantageous position.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

I think we need more Dhanush howitzers at LOC to pulverize their posts and dozens of pinaka regiments as well

 

[AbRaj]

Paki Anti Aircraft Gun in ground attack mode.


Basically in LoC skirmishes the firepower offer by such AA gun is no less than an IFV or APC due to the devastating firepower of the Autocannon


View attachment 14598

Aren't they an easy target/sitting duck for retaliatory fire?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not only the range and cheaper alternative to ATGM for long range but also pack a lot of punch ..

Not ours, But once were like this ..

We should also use 106 mm RCL guns on LoC. OFB making these Guns and ammunition locally. Carl Gustaf range is not enough to hit Paki posts.

 

[Bornubus]

Aren't they an easy target/sitting duck for retaliatory fire?

Looks like they are engaging the fighters during Zerb e Azb.

 

[Bornubus]

Dogra Troops Posted in Siachen ( end of the video )

The Morale and Josh is such that they don't want to come down but wants to kill Pakis( Thokenge) and the CO is saying " Oye Kake time ane par jaroor thokange"

And Majestic Bana top formerly Paki Qaid post captured in 1987 by Jak LI
hgt @ 21000 ~ ft

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[Bornubus]

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[mayfair]

Was this really necessary?

“The Indian and Pakistan army troops exchanged greetings and sweets on the occasion of Pakistan Resolution Day at Poonch-Rawalakote Crossing Point and Mendhar Hot Spring Crossing Point today (Thursday),” said defence spokesperson Lt Col Manish Mehta.