Liberals fume as dargahs bar women from sanctum

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    Liberals fume as leading dargahs in Mumbai bar women from sanctum

    Liberals fume as leading dargahs in Mumbai bar women from sanctum - The Times of India


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    Sufi shrines have an inclusive approach to devotees.

    However, the Haji Ali shrine in Mumbai has started segregating men and women, as have seven other dargahs. More are to follow suit.

    The article states:

    The Mahim dargah on redevelopement will have a separate enclosure for women as is in Haji Ali which deny access to women to the astana (sanctum sanctorum).

    This issue and the development at the seven dargah have been brought to public notice by the the advocacy group Bhartiya Muslim Mahila Andolan (BMMA), which recently surveyed 20 dargahs in Mumbai. The women are banned from entering the mazaar as reported by Noorjehan Niaz, their head.

    The Sunni and Deobandi cleric are delighted at this new development of banning of women as they claim that "The sharia does not allow intermingling of men and women at any place. The visit of women to graves is forbidden. It is welcome that the dargahs are following this rule," Maulana Athar Ali, a Sunni cleric stated this and a senior Deobandi cleric Maulana Mahmood Daryabadi endorses this view. He stated that "They should have done it much earlier. I am glad they are now following a rule sanctioned by the sharia".

    That said the liberal Muslims are inflamed.

    Javed Anand, who is of Muslims for Secular Democracy has said, "This is shocking and shameful. This is a regressive step that will further fuel Islamophobia and encourage the detractors of Islam to allege that the religion practices discrimination against women".

    There is no doubt that his is a regressive, if not a silly step and it will surely encourage and fan Islamophobia.

    Interesting is what the Urdu columnist Hasan Kamaal has said. He said, "If women and men are allowed to go around the holy Kaaba, and perform haj and umrah (mini-haj) together, why cannot they pray at the dargahs together? It is an insult to the legacy of Sufism, which is moderate and inclusive".

    However the Dargah trustees are adamant on their decision.

    Suhail Khandwani, managing trustee of the Mahim dargah and also a trustee at the Haji Ali dargah, said trustees were only following what muftis, or clerics who issue fatwas, have demanded for long. "Muftis have time and again pointed out that Islam does not permit women to visit a cemetery. While we prefer to call dargahs resting places of the saints, they are in fact graves and the sharia does not allow women to visit graves."

    Still, he admitted that barring women from the astana at Mahim dargah would be difficult. "Haji Ali is an isolated dargah, but the Mahim shrine is right in the middle of a residential area. So, residents, including women, feel a sense of ownership. Also, the dargah is a resting place of the saint as well as his mother. So, it is rather difficult to tell women not to go in."

    What worries the BMMA is that dargah trustees may not stop with banning women from entering astanas. "They might bar entry for non-Muslims as well, which would damage the secular fabric of the country," said a BMMA member.
     
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    Generally women were never allowed inside the sanctum sanctorum
     
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    The Khadims, traditional servers, of the Sufi shrine in Ajmer have decided to ban women from the dargah at the time of prayers as they purportedly distract men.Several Islamic saints including Moinuddin Chishti,RA the Sufi saint of the Ajmer dargah, may have advised complete equality for women, but their present day religious heirs seem reluctant to follow them.The dargah in Ajmer symbolises tolerance and spiritual solace for millions. However, in a letter to the Dargah Committee, the Khadims claim that under Islam if a man sees a woman while performing namaaz, it becomes a futile exercise.

    "We have a lot of rush at the time of namaaz, and we hardly have any space left particularly during the Friday prayers."

    "But if a woman sits in front, then the man's prayer becomes unacceptable. That is why we have raised this demand," says Zahoor Chishti, Joint Secretary, Khadim Association, Ajmer Dargah.In order to discuss this sensitive issue, the Dargah Committee, which manages the shrine, has held a series of meetings, but refused to give any statement.Devotees upset

    Women devotees, however, are angry and say that the demand to banish them from prayers is unacceptable.

    "They should not try to stop us. We come from long distances and it is one of our fondest dreams to offer namaaz at this dargah. So they should allow every woman to offer her prayers here," says a female devotee.

    However, the Khadims say that in recent months, some men have even manhandled women who disturbed their prayers.


    Thus, women's entry needs to be banned to avoid such clashes at the annual Urs in the dargah next month.

    In the Sufi ideology of Moinuddin Chishti, there was no place for any discrimination on the basis of caste, creed or gender.

    But ironically his traditional servers the Khadims have now raised a ticklish issue that smacks of gender inequality.

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    Sufis becoming fanatical too, sign of the times...
     
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    A religion claims to be the perfect one and all that peace,equality etc etc but doesn't like to treat women as equal but second class humans.

    :namaste:
     
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    This is the ongoing arabization of Islam. Today you will find more muslim women in burkha then ever before,more muslim men in their tradtional religious dress with the skull caps even in secular activities. Its quite amazing to see the muslim drive to look 'distinct' from other indians.As if they are trying to ape the arabs.I am thrilled to see how they dress in arabic style kurta-pyjama with caps on even while travelling on trains,roads etc.
     
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    Kurta Pyjama and cap is not "Arabic style" of dress.
     
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    No doubt tomorrow they will demand dress code for Ummah in whole India. it will be interesting to see as it happens.:D
     
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    But burkah is and yusuf don't mind it , i have no problem with people wearing whatever dress they like.Afterall hindus also wear dhotis and uttariyas in temples.
    I was pointing to an ongoing phenomenon that these costumes have been brought into the normal day to day life thus showing that many of them are being made for conscious of their different identity which can have negative repercussions for the indian society.
     
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    Burkha is worn in public and yes I agree the use of it has increased. But again, the Burkha is used only in public. For example, many of those who work in shops and factories, wear the Burkha from home to work and back. But while inside the work place they remove the Burkha and wear sari/salwat kameez.

    As far as men are concerned, Kurta pajama is a very Indian dress. Only thin extra is going to be the cap worn.
     
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    Women can never be allowed in Sanctums....what's the problem with these idiots....For this treacherous fundamentalist minority owned paid media crooks Wahabi Mullahs like Zakir Naik is a hero and Darghas are places of corruption....Some times I feel like slapping all these self-proclaimed dumba#$$ libral intellectuals!!
     
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    On second thoughts call this as the ill effects or NaPak parchhai of that Paki Zardari. Left behind his Pakistniyat in the so far secular Dargah. Yeah and that million that necer came or got eaten up by the Khadims.
     
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    Got it all mixed up. Sufis don't mean all are saints singing Qawwalis.
     
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    What is a "secular" Dargah ?
     
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    How does that make the Dargah "secular" ? It means that the Hindus etc who go their are tolerant and syncretic in their beliefs

    Many Churches are open to people of all faiths. Does this make them secular ?
     
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    Even within some Muslim section, women are not allowed to pray in mosques. So Ajmer is a major departure from such beliefs.

    And yeah guide me to a better word than secular. My vocab is quite limited :D
     

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