Let the red flag fly over Tibet monasteries

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is pathetic to see the idiotic length the Chinese can go to force people to believing in something that they don't believe in and abhor.

    Do citizens require to be taught 'patriotism' or does it come naturally because one is proud to belong to a Nation?

    If indeed the Chinese want to gauge the 'patriotism' of Tibetan to China, they should hold a vote and an election.

    At least that way they can know how the wind blows.
     
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    Zeratul Regular Member

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    Hi Chairman , nice to see you again!

    About Tibet, it's not a simple problem like the news , it's very complex.

    About vote and election , we tried between 1912 and 1937. It's not useful for us.

    In this world , if vote and election useful ,it must be an developed country or an area, the people also rich relatively.

    if in an poor area or country , vote and election usual bring split and conflict . Like the Middle East.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    What tommy rot.

    Come to the point.
     
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    Zeratul Regular Member

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    The point is , if you know China's history ,you will know we are very weak since 1840.

    Now ,we are not weak any more , why ? when we fall into hell ,none can help us except ourselves.

    Maybe we have different purpose. I'm not sure about India's purpose ,Maybe freedom or democracy or some other else.

    China's purpose is nation's growing, the quality of people's life.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Well, I know Chinese history to some extent.

    China was not the China as we today.

    China or Han China was around the Yellow River. Then the various dynasties conquered areas South and West to consolidate into what is today's China.

    Yes, First Opium War (1840) did make China look weak and the Taiping Rebellion of Hong Xiuquan followed by the Punti–Hakka Clan Wars, Nian Rebellion, Dungan Revolt, and Panthay Rebellion made China appear weak. But then it was the fault of the Chinese people because actually they were not really Han, but were cooked 'barbarians' (shufan) and the 'outer people' (wei ren).

    Now, you are no longer weak because the Communist control the mindspace and independence of the people. They have no choice.
     
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    Zeratul Regular Member

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    Causality is wrong. People want to be strong and rich, then they choose the communist. Not the communist control people make them strong and rich.

    I find a very different point between China and India. especially in old china and old india. our opinion is if the man speak chinese and live as chinese way(include marriage),

    he is chinese, no matter about his race. the judgment is based on civilization not rase or Ethnic lines.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    If people who want to be rich and strong have to choose Communism, then how come the US is not a Communist country? They are the richest and the strongest.

    Therefore, you are merely clutching at straws since you have no options but to parrot the Communist line and praise it lest you are rounded up at night and put in a Laogai. Remember, as a China, you IIRC asked what is a Laogai and answered it? That was a fraud that you did pretending you did not know what is a Laogai! ;)

    Just because one speaks Mandarin, does not make him a Han.

    The Bai Yue have been forced to speak Mandarin, but they are not really Han.

    Heard of the Hakka language?

    Common vocabulary is found in Hakka, Min, and She (Hmong–Mien) languages.

    The relationship of Gan and Hakka is one of the most hotly disputed questions in Chinese dialectology. Two important issues are:
    (a) do Hakka and Gan subgroup together, or does Hakka subgroup with Yue and Min? and
    (b) did Hakka and/or Gan arise in the south, or are they northern dialects transplanted into the south?

    Are these the same as Mandarin?

    You are wrong. Race and ethnicity matters.
     
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    There are no Tibetans in China. There are only Tibetan Chinese. Should anyone feel they are not Chinese, they are welcome to leave China and head to Dharamsala.
     
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    China......What a freaking PATHETIC country. The year is 2015.......that means its been two thousand freaking years since the birth of Christ.

    Mankind has gone thru waves and waves of world wars, evolution, revolutions and technological advances that were unthinkable a century ago.......And yet, you freaking Chinaman feel the need to pull nuns and monks out of their monasteries and subject them to a "patriotism test".


    If there is ever a marker for a morally and spiritually bankrupt society and ideology - China would be it.
    What a shit-hole of a political system ??
     

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