Leftists/Marxists start anti-govt. campaign to support Naxals

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  1. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Leftists/Marxists starts anti-govt. campaign to support Naxals

    How government plans to use IAF to wage a war on its people
    It well represents what Modi wants to do to his subjects.


    Arun Ferreira and Vernon Gonsalves

    The stage is being set for history of an extremely infamous variety to be repeated in the Bastar region of Chhattisgarh. Almost 50 years after the Indira Gandhi government's strafing and bombing of Aizwal in Mizoram (then Assam) from March 5 to 13, 1966 with the help of Indian Air Force (IAF) planes, the Modi government is preparing to use the IAF once again to launch aerial attacks on its own citizens. The Chhattisgarh police has announced that it, along with the IAF, has recently "conducted successful exercises" in preparation for the launch of what are being called "retaliation attacks from air", as part of anti-Maoist operations in the area. Given that air strikes, by their very nature, are indiscriminately destructive, this latest policy decision of the central and state governments is indicative of the brutal lengths to which they are ready to go for crushing the Maoist movement in the area and clear the ground for the entry of corporate capital. An already bloody conflict is poised to get bloodier. Ample indication of this was on display in the casual cruelty with which the "successful" exercises themselves were conducted.

    "On October 13, three IAF helicopters flew over a specified area of Bijapur [district in the Bastar region of Chhattisgarh] and practised strafing. Senior officers of the IAF and anti-Naxal operations of the state police participated in the exercise." This shockingly bland statement came from RK Vij, Chhattisgarh's additional director general of police, anti-Naxal operations seven days after the operation. There had been no previous announcement that such an exercise was to be conducted, nor had there been any warning issued to the local tribal population to evacuate or avoid the area to be strafed. Collateral damage to a few Indian citizens during the strafing is perhaps small change for a government that has obviously made cold-blooded calculations of deaths in hundreds and even thousands which aerial attacks anywhere in the world has always resulted in.

    According to the Oxford dictionary, strafing, which Vij has said was practicsed on October 13, means attacking repeatedly with bombs or machine gun fire from low-flying aircrafts. Bombing of its own territory and people is something rarely done by modern day states who claim to have democratic credentials. Even if it is done, it is denied. In the case of Aizwal, Indira Gandhi had claimed that the IAF was only used to drop men and supplies. It was only in the 1980s that the fact of air strikes was officially accepted. Prime Minister Narendra Modi seems to have abandoned such niceties. The careless manner in which the air attack plans have been announced and the implementation commenced resemble the act and intent of a monarch trying to brazen things out. The etymological origin of the word strafing is in the German strafe, meaning punish. It well represents what Modi wants to do to his subjects.

    State fearful of democratic dissent

    Behind the calculated hauteur however, there is also the realisation that today's world also has a fair number of dissenters, who may not willingly fall in line. There are a handful of journalists who remain dedicated to the values of their profession and insist on reporting the truth. There are the human rights-walas who take chapter three of the Constitution somewhat seriously and try their utmost to squeeze out some democratic space within the otherwise repressive set-up. There are even some rare lawyers that struggle to get rolling the rusted wheels of a cynical judiciary. All such elements would have substantial opposition to aerial attacks and could set up real obstacles to their implementation by the government. Most fearful would be their ability to take the truth of the conflict zone to the outside world.

    In anticipation therefore, there has been, over the past few months, a concerted effort by the police and allied agencies to evict or incapacitate anyone who may question them and thus sanitise the areas in and around the places earmarked for aerial attacks. Journalists have been targeted, particularly those with a record of truthfully reporting on the ground situation without acquiescing to administration demands to publish only the versions given by the police.

    On July 16, 2015, Somaru Nag, an adivasi journalist with the Rajasthan Patrika was detained and tortured, and shown to be arrested only after three days of illegal custody. Santosh Yadav, a freelance journalist filing news reports with several Hindi newspapers, including Dainik Navbharat and Dainik Chhattisgarh was the next to land behind bars. He had, over the last one year, been often harassed by the police and was once even stripped and threatened with torture in June 2015. Since he refused to back down despite the warnings, he was on 29 September, 2015 taken away on the pretext of the IGP wanting to meet him and was then implicated in an encounter case in August 2015. Amnesty International India, which has called for a stop to this intimidation of journalists, was told by Yadav's lawyer that the charges against him were fabricated and that "Santosh Yadav has been a contact person for national and international journalists and was crucial in getting media attention to the plight of adivasis in the conflict-torn region. He has also been instrumental in helping adivasis get legal aid." It is, therefore, quite understandable that the administration would want such a person out of the way before the aerial attacks start.

    Meanwhile, the lawyers who are defending Nag and Yadav are themselves under attack. They belong to the Jagdalpur Legal Aid Group (JagLAG), which came into existence in July 2013 as the result of brainstorming of human rights activists, academics and lawyers in New Delhi and Chhattisgarh who wanted to provide legal help to the people of Bastar. As soon as they started proving effective in providing legal aid to the locals and started producing studies of the large numbers rotting in jails without any evidence against them, they proved a threat to both the police, as well as the lawyers who had for many years profited from the misery of falsely implicated prisoners. In April 2015, the IG (Bastar) SRP Kalluri issued an open threat that he would act against NGOs helping the Maoists - meaning the legal help JagLAG was rendering to tribals implicated in Maoist-linked cases. Now both the police and the Bastar Bar Association have combined to try and ensure that "outside" lawyers (the JagLAG lawyers are registered in New Delhi) are prevented from practising in the local courts. In the case of JagLAG too, their ability to tell the world outside Bastar about the rampant human right violations there makes the administration uncomfortable and it would definitely like to see them evicted before the air strikes commence.

    As the government makes its plans and prepares for an all-out war not everyone is keeping silent. Democratic rights organisations like PUDR and PUCL and some senior lawyers have come out in JagLAG's support. The journalists of Chhattisgarh have formed a Sanyukta Patrakar Sangharsh Samiti and held protests in the capital Raipur against the police action on the journalists. They have directly accused Kalluri of preparing for genocide in the region. The Delhi Union of Journalists too has come out in support of journalists being victimised in conflict areas. The latest to condemn the arrest of journalists is the state Congress chief who has decried the reign of "administrative terror".

    Meanwhile, the Union minister of state for home, Kiren Rijiju, has sinisterly stated that, while he cannot disclose the nitty-gritty of the IAF's planned operations in Bastar, they will be "decisive" and "effective". Obviously the government plans are much more drastic than what has so far come out in the public domain. Will civil society institutions prove robust enough to stand up against and halt the state's declaration of air war on its people?

    http://www.dailyo.in/politics/maois...hhattisgarh-bastar-strafing/story/1/7012.html

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    "War against Naxals" is labeled as "War against its own people" :dude:

    I welcome the step Modi govt is preparing to take, since it's a long awaited step against Naxals of Chhattisgarh, who have killed 1000s of innocents.

    Please comment !

    BTW Who the hell are these Arun Ferreira and Vernon Gonsalves?
     
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    Question: Who initiated India's very first anti-Naxalite operation?
    Answer: Jyoti Basu, member of the Communist Party of India (Marxist), who was then the Home Minister of WB. This happened in the backdrop of the Naxalbari uprising.

    Question: Members of which party in WB had the largest number of victims of the latest Naxalite violence?
    Answer: Members of the Communist Party of India (Marxist).

    Question: Members of which party in WB actually fought against Naxalites along with CRPF and State Police?
    Answer: Members of the Communist Party of India (Marxist).

    Fact: The Naxalites and the Communist Party of India (Marxist) have always been antagonistic to each other.

    The article in the opening post is entitled "How government plans to use IAF to wage a war on its people." May I ask on what grounds @A chauhan editorialized it and changed the thread title into "Leftists/Marxists start anti-govt. campaign to support Naxals," thus insinuating that the Marxists are supporting Naxalites?
     
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    The biggest casualties of leftists/Marxists have been their own people in the whole world. So if after spilt of the original party if the two communist parties killed each other, it would be natural that who would launch anti-naxal movement and whose party members will be killed.

    To an outsider all these CPI(fill anything) parties look the same except their degree of violence and pimping to China or USSR. The intellectuals who support Naxals are leftists in general. Whether the article writers in this case would call themselves Marxists or Maoists can be debatable.

    I think the writers in this case are RW Hindu fanatics and title should be changed accordingly!!

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  5. hit&run

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    Oh come on, the biggest difference was they were in power and naxalites wanted to undermine it.

    Otherwise both are ideological siblings. One harnessed power being a political entity the other as a rebel.

    Now being out of power for foreseeable future such treacheries can not be ruled out by these political parties.
     
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    Leftists are crazy people.

    http://www.business-standard.com/ar...inst-joint-naval-exercise-115101601205_1.html

    Left Front holds rally against joint naval exercise
    IANS | Kolkata October 16, 2015 Last Updated at 19:46 IST



    Opposing the ongoing joint naval exercise involving India, the US and Japan as well as growing communal polarisation in the country, the Left Front in West Bengalon Friday took out a protest rally in the city.

    Besides the Left Front constituents, that included Forward Bloc, Revolutionary Socialist Party, and the Communist Party of India (Marxist), several Left-affiliated students and youth organisations participated in the rally that began from Esplanade area and culminated at the College Square of the city.

    "The way joint military exercises are being conducted, be it by the Indian Air Force or the Indian Navy, India's sovereignty is in danger as attempts are being made to establish US supremacy and imperialism in India," Left Front chairman Biman Bose said at the rally.

    "The rally is a reflection of the people's opposition against the rising communal polarisation and intolerance," added the CPI-M leader.

    Aimed at enhancing maritime security and cooperation in the Indian Ocean-Pacific region, the six-day Malabar joint naval exercise by India, the US and Japan began in the Bay of Bengal on Wednesday.

    China has expressed its reservations over the exercise, which began in 1992 as a bilateral drill between the Indian and US navies but was later expanded to include Japan.
     
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  7. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    I willfully changed it since the people in Chhattisgarh here (including me off course) are expecting and welcoming the possible military action against Naxaliltes and as per the news article in the OP the anti-govt protests/campaign have already been started by some people since I changed the topic title. So far as Marxists and Naxalites are concerned, Naxals are supported by CPI I understand since they all look like sides of the same coin to me.

    However I do not know who are the writers ? just know that they support naxalites.
     
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    The two communist parties did not kill each other. Read up on the Naxalbari uprising.

    The incidents of Naxalites attacking CPI(M) happened decades later.

    Yes, it would be natural if Naxalites start using violence against the CPI(M), then CPI(M) will fight back. It is also natural that if people die in police firing, there will be an uprising against the government, and in this case, when CPI(M) became part of a coalition government, so they were also the target of the Naxalites.

    It is far more complicated and not so black and white, as right wingers would like to portray this as.

    CPI(you just cannot fill anything, because when you do, you are equating two opposites).

    You cannot defend the facts, so you are writing in defence of ignorance.

    Whether the writers can be called Marxists or Maoists is completely irrelevant. The issue is what does the article say? Does it say that the Marxists support the Naxalites, as claimed by the editorialized thread title? I am sure you are going to toss is some more distractions to avoid this question.

    There are some pseudo-intellectuals who cannot see the different between people working within the Constitution and people working against the Constitutions.

    Nobody pimped India to the USSR. As a matter of fact, India milked USSR of all it could, giving little in return, while taking advantage of their Communist ideology naturally benevolent towards the developing world, and now, that the Russian Federation is a Capitalist State, some people have started howling, expecting the Russian Federation to spoon-feed India like the USSR did.

    There is nothing to debate here. Any claim that is made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Those that you call "outsiders" are actually ignorant people; but their ignorance is not as much of a problem, as their stubbornness to see the truth and sticking to concocted stories, and their overconfidence with which they keep repeating their concoctions.

    That is the most likely case. Dishonesty and distortion of historical facts is the defining character of majority of right wingers. Sorry, just countering rhetoric with rhetoric.

    The title should be changed to the original title of the article.

    You willfully changed the title because either you are misinformed, or you are being deliberately dishonest.

    Let them carry out whatever action they want against Naxalites. Either they renounce violence, or they shall face armed action. Along with that, there should be legal action against people who falsely propagate falsehoods against Marxists (especially professional liars like Arun Shorie and Rajiv Malhotra), because, Marxists are the ones who have sacrificed in blood in their struggle against Naxalites.

    Coming to the Naxalite violence: We have GoI and we have the Naxalites. The Naxalites have been acting outside of the Constitution, but before that, the Government of India has been acting against the Constitution by refusing the implement the 5th and 6th Schedules of the Constitution. There is nothing to choose here. We have two entities (GoI and Naxalites) refusing to do the right thing, and trying to resolve a problem using violence.

    Both are ideological siblings, but one functions withing the Constitutional framework and the other does not. No right winger has the courage to admit this, just as no right winger had the courage to face the Maoists bullets, and no right winger had the courage to fight the Nizam of Hyderabad.

    Being out of power, such treacheries cannot be ruled out. True. That also holds true for BJP.

    Article: Mamata’s ‘Maoist’ farmer on BJP stage
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Neither misinformed nor dishonest, I see no point in opposing actions against Naxalites, you know Naxal area starts only from 45kms of my birth and home town Nawapara-Rajim. I have visited some Naxal areas for my senior's court cases, it's a horror to return from such areas as early as @6pm after court's work, I don't say that other political parties and ideologies doesn't support them but only for vote-share, so far as Marxists/Maoists are concerned they have bigger goals in their minds, dangerous ones.

    My information says that BJP and Congress both the parties doesn't want to act against Naxals since it can cut their vote share.
     
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    I am convinced it was a deliberate act of dishonesty. Initially I was willing to give you a pass that it might be that you were misinformed. Now I know it is deliberate. Sorry for putting it this way, but it is what it is.

    First, you editorialized the threat title.
    Second, there is nothing in the article that says Marxists are supporting the Naxals.
    Third, even after being pointed out, you are continuing with your unmitigated drivel.

    Every thing you have said is just a lot of unsupported claims.

    I can also accuse your favorite political party of being in bed with the Hujbul-Mujahideen, or open a thread with a editorialized thread title. Do I need to prove my claims? Not if I choose to be irresponsible.

    ". . . so far as Marxists/Maoists are concerned . . ."
    Just another obdurate attempt to equate two opponents.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    I take them all as the sides of the same coin, so what's the point ?

    Be it Laskhar-e-Toyba or Huji or Boko Haram all are the sides of the same coin, Islamic nutjobs. Same is the case with Marxist/Maoist/Leninism/* (I am adding Leninism and a star * here to any CPI version) If Naxals are aiming for a "Marxist state" then why can't I take it like that ?
     
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    You don't have any point. You can take it as whatever you want. I observed you created a fraudulent thread title, and I pointed that out.

    I will stand corrected if you can point out one sentence in the opening post that corroborates your claim.

    I am not interested in your feelings and prejudices. That is not my concern. My concern is with the thread title and the article.
     
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    Don't know why people always misunderstood the Naxals problem in India.

    The Ideological mentors are sit in Delhi (JNU/CPI chaps).
    They are official spoke persons and financial support for naxals.
    Second leadership are educated morons(all leadership of naxals are) lead movement in tribal&dalit belts.
    Police won't touch First class leaders and only touch Second hand leadership some times but go and kill poor Tribal&Dalits, the more you kill the more Delhi chaps Scream&Shout,more funds will come and more youth will join in the naxal movement... and go on in circle.

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    Only solution is
    1.Stop NGO's (BJP is doing it).
    2.Kill all Delhi chaps covertly/directly or ridicule them and don't give media coverage.
    3.Make Police&Bureaucrats responsible for their actions in tribal belts.
    4.Never use Army on our own people.AP had decimated naxals by using Special police force.
     
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    The difference between the islamic nut jobs and naxals is that their grivances are genuine..their way of resistance is wrong though. That's why govt is using minimum force and as well as other socio economic programmes to cyrb the naxalism.naxalism should be eradicated but it's not necessary to eradicate it by killing them all.it can be done with minimum casualties..rest can be rehabilitated. Current policy of allowing choppers to fire back on self defence also is a reasonable one but anything beyond that would be improper IMO.

    Lastly those who oppose usevof air power need not be all anti national or communists..we need to stop painting people as black or white...there are people from all sects, ideologys and parties who oppose using weapons which can cause heavy casualties or colatral damage..we can disagree with them, argue against them with out labeling them as x or y.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Fraudulent thread title ? is this your way to take opponents with continuously increasing unjustified assumed tagging attacks ?

    Well I am not interested in how you see them, I can clearly see that Naxals aim for the Marxist state.
     
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    Are you freaking kidding me? Unjustified attack? Are you this thick? Click on the link below and hopefully the message will penetrate where it is supposed to penetrate.

    Modi Supporters Rape Woman

    I would also like to see all those members who have been supporting you to go to that thread and support it.
     
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    After seeing @pmaitra 's responses in this and other thread I fully support this thread.
    No edits required.
    Instead start a new thread with Title : @pmaitra Raped a Thread.
     
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    Muslim spitting on Durga Idol in West Bengal



    :scared2:
     
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    What is you want to convey and relevance to the thread ?? On the same Durga Puja this year a Hindu was shot in Rampur UP during immersion ...
     
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    Was the Hindu shot to defile Ma Durga?
     
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    The Hindu guy was shot and killed during the Idol immersion procession been taken out in Rampur, UP... The SP government protected the culprit by suspending the three policemen...
     
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