'Leave your faith or leave your country'

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    'Leave your faith or leave your country' - Blogs - DAWN.COM

     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It appears that Pakistan has found an ingenuous and crafty way to carry out ethnic cleansing.
     
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    Isn't there any way India can carry out proxy war in the region? Can't we do something about Sindh and Balochistan?
     
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    And they laugh at us when we talk about love jihad here.
     
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    1,000 minority girls forced in marriage every year: report - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

    WASHINGTON: An estimated one thousand Christian and Hindu women are forced to convert and marry Muslim men in Pakistan every year, says a report released on Monday.

    According to a report by the Movement for Solidarity and Peace in Pakistan, up to 700 of these women are Christian and 300 are Hindu.

    “The true scale of the problem is likely to be much greater, as a number of cases are never reported or do not progress through the law-enforcement and legal systems,” the authors claim.

    The MSP also issued an appeal for action along with this investigative report detailing forced marriages and conversions of Christian girls and women in Pakistan.

    The Christian community in Pakistan is over two million in size, accounts for 42 per cent of Pakistan's minority population, and is mostly resident in Punjab.

    MSP’s investigations find that cases of forced marriages/conversions follow a distinctive pattern: Christian girls — usually between the ages of 12 and 25 — are abducted, converted to Islam, and married to the abductor or third party.

    The victim's family usually files a First Information Report for abduction or rape with the local police station. The abductor, on behalf of the victim girl, files a counter FIR, accusing the Christian family of harassing the willfully converted and married girl, and for conspiring to convert the girl back to Christianity.

    Upon production in the courts or before the magistrate, the victim girl is asked to testify whether she converted and married of her own free will or if she was abducted.

    In most cases, the girl remains in custody of the abductor while judicial proceedings are carried out.

    Upon the girl's pronouncement that she willfully converted and consented to the marriage, the case is settled without relief for the family. Once in the custody of the abductor, the victim girl may be subjected to sexual violence, rape, forced prostitution, human trafficking and sale, or other domestic abuse.

    These patterns of violence and miscarriages of justice are explored in the report through an examination of 10 illustrative cases.

    The report also describes the historical and social context of the problem, and the particular grievances of Pakistan's Christian community in relation to the existing legal, political, and procedural guarantees for the protection of human rights of Pakistan's religious minorities. The report also highlights the patterns of violence through which the law and social attitudes become complicit in providing immunity for perpetrators, and the complex nature of associated crimes that make it difficult to categorise this crime as specific to religious identity. The report concludes with detailed recommendations at various levels — national, provincial, and local — for key stakeholders.

    MSP is mobilising an inclusive coalition to raise awareness on this issue. MSP will host outreach events in the coming weeks in Pakistan (in collaboration with the National Commission of Justice and Peace in Pakistan) and around the world.
     
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    http://www.dawn.com/news/1143353/hindu-council-urges-pm-to-prevent-atrocities-against-minorities


    KARACHI: Protesting over increasing attacks on minorities and forced conversions, the Pakistan Hindu Council on Sunday proposed the establishment of an active committee at the federal level under Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to prevent atrocities against minorities.

    This was unanimously endorsed in an urgent meeting called by the executive body of the council, which also assigned Member National Assembly Dr. Ramesh Kumar Vankwani the task of contacting other representative parties for their support.

    The meeting was chaired by Chela Ram Kewlani to review mounting atrocities against minorities across the country.

    Condemning the brutal killing of a Christian couple in Punjab, the council deplored the kidnapping of Hindu citizens, particularly of minor girl Anjali from Dherki, Kiran from Nawab Shah and Jeoti from Hyderabad.

    The council demanded the prime minister and provincial chief ministers implement effective and practical legislation to protect minorities, adding that interfaith harmony and Hindu marriage laws were needed.

    Read also: Religious scholars demand justice for murdered Christian couple

    Chela Ram said that oppressed minorities saw a ray of hope with the Supreme Court order to protect minorities’ rights, but unfortunately state institutes due to a negligent approach have failed to implement the apex court’s order.

    “Minorities are still as vulnerable as they were one-and-a half years ago and to add to their misery, the land mafia is actively engaged in illegally occupying religious places of minorities and the kidnapping of Hindu girls is still happening.

    “The minorities are losing hope with the incumbent government,” Ram stated.

    Dr Ramesh Kumar said the Constitution of Pakistan guaranteed minorities rights.

    "Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah on 11 August 1947 clearly said in his speech that the first duty of the state is to provide welfare for its citizens… minorities’ rights should be protected without discrimination,” he added.

    The Pakistan Hindu Council also proposed names for inclusion in the interfaith committee; including Pir Amin-ul-Hasnat Shah (State Minister for Religious Affairs), Maulana Shirani (JUI-F), Mir Hasil Bazanjo (BNP), Khawaja Sohail (MQM), Abdul-Qehar Khan Wadan (PMAP). Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani from Hindu Community and Kamran Michael from the Christian community.

    They also suggested the inclusion of at least one member from each religious party, including the Jamaat-i-Islami.

    “Kidnapping of innocent Hindu girls, forced conversions and marriages are issues regularly faced by Hindus, mainly due to the absence of a Hindu marriage registration act,” said Dr Ramesh.

    He regretted that the Sindh Government has failed to address minorities’ issues, including the protection of places of worship and cemeteries

    Dr Ramesh said that misuse of blasphemy laws on a larger scale has resulted in the harassment of minorities, further stating that the laws are manipulated to settle personal disputes.

    Expressing grave concerns on the burning alive a Christian couple, Dr. Ramesh said the incident had created a sense of panic among minorities.

    He said that it has increased insecurity among minorities, leaving them to question the performance of state institutions at the national and international level.

    Dr Kumar also warned that the fire ignited today, which is affecting the lives of innocent minorities, would wrap all Pakistani citizens in the near future.
     
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    Above are links from the same article.
     
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    This is long-standing tribal method. There is nothing ingenious about it. This is how a tribe establishes dominance.

    Actually marriage with girls from outside community was there in Vedic tradition also, however it was never forced.
     
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    Fanatic elements in Pakistan want to eliminate all minorities. This policy has continued since the birth of Pakistan.

    We shall see if the policy will succeed or fail. The chances of failure are higher as minorities do have value, in providing checks and balances in a society that helps it prosper.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    We live in a modern world with modern realities. Tribal instinct prevail even now as a subtext is only exhibited in primitive mindsets.


    While it is correct that actions is based on the simple premise that the human mind—and its behavioural outcomes—have been shaped by biological evolution, just as human physiology has been shaped by evolution, and just as all other animal species have been shaped by evolution, yet the evolution of the psychology has been shaped by the environment as it matured.

    In primitive areas, the tribal instinct may have traces still, made into some sort of custom and tradition to give it a façade of social sanction, but to believe that Pakistan is a primitive society across its length and breadth would be stretching the même,plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose a wee bit too much.
     
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    It can be. It requires political will.

    Pakistan always accuses India of fomenting the Balochistan insurgency.
     
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    If we can't, we can at least create an outcry over the brutalities of Sindh and Balochistan just like they do on Kashmir. Get the international community to look at these issues.
     
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    We should ratchet up our indignation.

    However, as regards encouraging insurgencies, such activities are never stated in the open domain by any country.
     

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