Land acquisition - views and perspectives

[happy]

then Bring it to the notice of AP gov/AP public through tiwwete/facebook/courts/internet

By the way the said "Land" is that contigious ???????

what is advantage/disadvantge of present land beging accquired as begin promoted bu AP gov

and whats is advantage/disadvanatge of your identified Land ..

You build Internet campaign while begin anonymous

There are a lot of people, especially farmers of that region who are vociferously opposing the govt's actions...but the govt is using all tricks up it's sleeve, including threatening and coercion to make them fall in line.

You can get a general perception about it in the below links:

A.P. capital: farmers oppose land acquisition move - The Hindu

Andhra Pradesh's capital plan draws activists', Opposition fire | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Andhra Pradesh’s New Capital – Who are the Beneficiaries? | Hyderabad Real Estate

Capital controversy hits Naidu government

Capital city meant for economic activity, not just for govt offices: Andhra CM | Business Standard News

Nine AP Villages Oppose Forcible Land Acquisition - The New Indian Express

 

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[Jatt.Hindustan]

There is one ngo for every 400 indians I've heard.

No farmer will oppose bill when you are giving 20% land back + 4x market rate really 5x market rate.

Without development in village we will keep having mass of urban sprawl which will destroy us.

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The foras want to subjugate and colonize us. They don't have the militart force, so they try other meams. It's that simple, nothing they say is moral and just as thet are not moral and just.

 

[anoop_mig25]

There are a lot of people, especially farmers of that region who are vociferously opposing the govt's actions...but the govt is using all tricks up it's sleeve, including threatening and coercion to make them fall in line.

You can get a general perception about it in the below links:

A.P. capital: farmers oppose land acquisition move - The Hindu

Andhra Pradesh's capital plan draws activists', Opposition fire | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Andhra Pradesh's New Capital – Who are the Beneficiaries? | Hyderabad Real Estate

Capital controversy hits Naidu government

Capital city meant for economic activity, not just for govt offices: Andhra CM | Business Standard News

Nine AP Villages Oppose Forcible Land Acquisition - The New Indian Express

You said in your post that said there is part of alnd which can be acquired without acquiring fertile land.

I asked whether it is continuous land and what its size ????

What u posted links which only tell that framers are opposed and point maily oppsotion from yrcongress to communist

One link says farmer demand is allocation of 1200 sq yard compensatory land in residential area plus allocation of 200 to 250 sq yard land in the commercial zone. while gov is ready to provide 1000 sq yard ...

None of them provide any alternative ans .all shedding oppositie parties are crocodiles tears...

Ysr says he retunre all land once he retrun to power while i am sure he in turn would had acquired a lot of land for capital bulidng and would have sold it to her family member in cheap..

for communist they once burned their haed in west bangal where mamata out smarted them..

One link says make gov offices at different location an then use technology to conduct meetings etct etc ...

No where any link says there are contiguous infertlie land avaliable which gov can acuired for capital bulding purpose...

 

[Ray]

Sir, all said and done it again boils down to this one question...how do we decide on fair compensation?

I am limited in my practical knowledge regarding this matter.

Seeing the way AP is trying to wrest control of nearly 40,000 acres from farmers to establish a new capital I cannot help but say that it is the caste factor which is playing a vital role. Nobody is truly bothered about the rice bowl of India.

Btw, there is land which does not affect agriculture, yet.......the govt does not consider other options.

Fair compensation, as would be applicable for anything that is bought including in OLIX, is 'market price'. I believe the Land Bill is giving more.

What is the market price? In economics, market price is the economic price for which a good or service is offered in the marketplace. If the price is given over and above this, then that should be 'fair'.

Why do people invest in real estate? They buy at a price and wait till the price escalates a few years later owing to the improvements in the civic infrastructure of that area and then they sell at the market price prevalent, which is way, way higher than what it was when they bought.

In AP, if they are to have a capital, then they have to have land. What is your suggestion? Obviously, they cannot move out into the sea and have a capital based on boats? if they did, then how will common folks visit the offices on the boat in the sea?

If one wants railways to connect their village, as the people expect each time there is the Railway Budget, obviously, they shouldn't think that the railway lines are to be made on thin air? Give land.

Want an university, hospital, airport etc etc in one's area? Then be ready to give land.

Just examples.

 

[ezsasa]

May be the issue is not much about fair compensation, rather more about timely payment of compensation. As of now it takes more than five years to resolve the disputes and by the time both companies and land owners get frustrated and move on. In the mean time land value also increases.

One of the reasons is that when govt starts with a acquisition plan, they do it without having provision for the remuneration to be paid to land owners. If only provisions are created at the start of land acquisition most of the current problems can be solved. 2013 land bill was a step towards that but missed out on some key practical things like provisions for infrastructure which has been provided for in the 2014 bill.

 

[happy]

In AP, if they are to have a capital, then they have to have land. What is your suggestion? Obviously, they cannot move out into the sea and have a capital based on boats? if they did, then how will common folks visit the offices on the boat in the sea?

There are plenty of options in AP where land is available. That too, land which does not in any way affect agriculture AND which is wholly owned by the govt. Even there is plenty of reserve forest area. IMO, if the govt really wants a capital in the sea, it should not be a problem considering the latest advancements in construction technology.

 

[anoop_mig25]

There are plenty of options in AP where land is available. That too, land which does not in any way affect agriculture AND which is wholly owned by the govt. Even there is plenty of reserve forest area. IMO, if the govt really wants a capital in the sea, it should not be a problem considering the latest advancements in construction technology.

Plenty of in-fertile land are they contiguous ????

IF yes then why not you pin-point it ....

forest lands??? Enviromentalist would go havoc if gov starts preparing land on forest land...

Bsacially oppostion is for amount of compensation

 

[Ray]

There are plenty of options in AP where land is available. That too, land which does not in any way affect agriculture AND which is wholly owned by the govt. Even there is plenty of reserve forest area. IMO, if the govt really wants a capital in the sea, it should not be a problem considering the latest advancements in construction technology.

Reserve Forest is there for the picking?

Heard of denudation of forests and global warming?

Heard of Forest Rights Act for Tribal?

What is the Forest Rights Act about?
Millions of people live in and near India's forest lands, but have no legal right to their homes, lands or livelihoods. A few government officials have all power over forests and forest dwellers. The result? Both forests and people die. This Act recognises forest dwellers' rights and makes conservation more accountable.

One has to apply one's mind and not justify by another equal impossibility.

Then there were the demands of people of different regions of AP to have the capital in their area, and some suggested that the capital should be segmetised into various areas of the State. If it was done, would it not be chaotic to administer with delays in commuting and thus delays in decision making?

 

[happy]

Reserve Forest is there for the picking?

Heard of denudation of forests and global warming?

Heard of Forest Rights Act for Tribal?

What is the Forest Rights Act about?
Millions of people live in and near India's forest lands, but have no legal right to their homes, lands or livelihoods. A few government officials have all power over forests and forest dwellers. The result? Both forests and people die. This Act recognises forest dwellers' rights and makes conservation more accountable.

One has to apply one's mind and not justify by another equal impossibility.

Then there were the demands of people of different regions of AP to have the capital in their area, and some suggested that the capital should be segmetised into various areas of the State. If it was done, would it not be chaotic to administer with delays in commuting and thus delays in decision making?

Sir, have you heard of the term relocation? Forest relocation? Where trees are uprooted and planted elsewhere. Where new saplings are planted with good planning?

Btw, there is barren land also which is at the disposal of the govt. When it keeps dilly dallying, there are bound to be demands from different directions. So is the idea of segmetised capital.

 

[happy]

Plenty of in-fertile land are they contiguous ????

IF yes then why not you pin-point it ....

forest lands??? Enviromentalist would go havoc if gov starts preparing land on forest land...

Bsacially oppostion is for amount of compensation

Do you know the district of Ongole? Please google donakonda, you will know all about it.

 

[Ray]

Sir, have you heard of the term relocation? Forest relocation? Where trees are uprooted and planted elsewhere. Where new saplings are planted with good planning?

Btw, there is barren land also which is at the disposal of the govt. When it keeps dilly dallying, there are bound to be demands from different directions. So is the idea of segmetised capital.

Tree location and relocating a forest are two different aspects.'


Let me explain the 'science' of tree relocation.

1. A tree typically loses up to 90% of its root system in the transplantation process. As a result, trees are diminished in their capacity to uptake the water and nutrients they need to survive.

2. Some trees can be moved more successfully than others depending on their species, size, health as well as its former and future habitat.

3. Trees which have never been moved from their natural growing environment tend to have asymmetric root systems because they grow with the irregularities of the surrounding topography. If the tree is not nursery grown, root pruning has to be performed up to one year prior to transplanting to encourage the development of a more dense and fibrous root system.

4. It is most essential to provide intensive post-planting care. Newly planted trees need to be maintained to ensure the success of their relocation. Depending on the strength and health of the tree, it may need to be artificially supported and pruned. However, all new transplants should be watered and mulched immediately; then fertilized at the end of the first growing season (depending on soil conditions). It is also important to implement a plant health care program to monitor the tree and treat tree insects and diseases.

5. Mature tree transplanting can be an expensive venture.

Now, think about it for "forest location".

As I see it, it is easier said than done.

Do read this also:
Trees on the Move? Debating Assisted Migration in Climate Change Mitigation
https://earlycareerecologists.wordp...isted-migration-in-climate-change-mitigation/

Now, check how long it takes for a sapling to grow to a mature tree.

Heard of drip cultivation?

 

[anoop_mig25]

Do you know the district of Ongole? Please google donakonda, you will know all about it.

why donot you provide in depth nes about said region

and wont people of that region would protest against compensation ????

 

[happy]

Tree location and relocating a forest are two different aspects.'


Let me explain the 'science' of tree relocation.

1. A tree typically loses up to 90% of its root system in the transplantation process. As a result, trees are diminished in their capacity to uptake the water and nutrients they need to survive.

2. Some trees can be moved more successfully than others depending on their species, size, health as well as its former and future habitat.

3. Trees which have never been moved from their natural growing environment tend to have asymmetric root systems because they grow with the irregularities of the surrounding topography. If the tree is not nursery grown, root pruning has to be performed up to one year prior to transplanting to encourage the development of a more dense and fibrous root system.

4. It is most essential to provide intensive post-planting care. Newly planted trees need to be maintained to ensure the success of their relocation. Depending on the strength and health of the tree, it may need to be artificially supported and pruned. However, all new transplants should be watered and mulched immediately; then fertilized at the end of the first growing season (depending on soil conditions). It is also important to implement a plant health care program to monitor the tree and treat tree insects and diseases.

5. Mature tree transplanting can be an expensive venture.

Now, think about it for "forest location".

As I see it, it is easier said than done.

Do read this also:
Trees on the Move? Debating Assisted Migration in Climate Change Mitigation
https://earlycareerecologists.wordp...isted-migration-in-climate-change-mitigation/

Now, check how long it takes for a sapling to grow to a mature tree.

Heard of drip cultivation?

conceded. I was wrong about forest relocation.

The point here is that there are thousands of acres which are govt land in ongole district. The only problem there is lack of sufficient ground water. IMO it should not be impossible to create pipelines for water supply. but the govt is inclined to takeover agricultural land. It is trying all methods of coercion, enticement and threatening to bully the farmers into submission. The only reason being the Krishna-Guntur belt is the stronghold of Kamma community.

 

[happy]

why donot you provide in depth nes about said region

and wont people of that region would protest against compensation ????

I already gave you links. I told you what to google. What more do u want in depth? FYI I am busy with other work so am not able to spend much time here.

People of that region are protesting. It is not a matter of compensation. The problem is that thousands of acres paddy cultivation is going to be lost forever.

IMO compensation should not be the only prime criteria.

 

[Ray]

conceded. I was wrong about forest relocation.

The point here is that there are thousands of acres which are govt land in ongole district. The only problem there is lack of sufficient ground water. IMO it should not be impossible to create pipelines for water supply. but the govt is inclined to takeover agricultural land. It is trying all methods of coercion, enticement and threatening to bully the farmers into submission. The only reason being the Krishna-Guntur belt is the stronghold of Kamma community.

I am not an expert to comment.

All I think is that the capital must be in the centre of the State so that the development is all around and even.

Take the case of the Central Govt has sanction an AIIMS for Bengal.

It was slated for Raigunge in North Bengal.

Now, it is to be constructed at Kalyani in South Bengal. Why? It is close to Calcutta.

This is what happens when the State Capital is not centrally located.

Ongole is to the North.

 

[happy]

I am not an expert to comment.

All I think is that the capital must be in the centre of the State so that the development is all around and even.

Take the case of the Central Govt has sanction an AIIMS for Bengal.

It was slated for Raigunge in North Bengal.

Now, it is to be constructed at Kalyani in South Bengal. Why? It is close to Calcutta.

This is what happens when the State Capital is not centrally located.

Ongole is to the North.

No. The actual site at donakonda, ongole is exactly equidistant from either ends of AP.

 

[Ray]

No. The actual site at donakonda, ongole is exactly equidistant from either ends of AP.

Ongole (Prakasam)in the centre?

 

[Ray]

 

[happy]

@Ray Sir, donakonda in prakasam district is equidistant from major cities of seemandhra. All the way from Srikakulam to Anantpur.