Korean peninsula crisis: RoK fires into disputed waters despite DPRK's warnings

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This whole trouble is Chinese creation .Chinese are encouraging the North koreans to harras south korea
 

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Well, NK is seriously asking for trouble. What's shocking me is the muted response US is giving in favour of SK. They could very well start massive supplying of artillery rockets and MBRLs to SK for it to strike NK back. If such a non-responsive attitude continues in the region, this will be noted by Japanese who are already suspicious of US' ability to protect them in case of a war of their own. Japan has also tacitly agreed to cooperating with SK if this goes into a full blown war. With US power fading and its unwillingness to commit to regional security of east ASIA, I think Japan as well as SK will start rapidly militarizing to counter NK and PRC.

Both the countries have really advanced technology enough to do so and only didn't do till now since they trust US' umbrella which due to lack of US funds is waning. This will definitely prompt an under the hood militarization programme to start. As such there are talks of abolishing the White Paper in Japan that restricts it from militarizing largely and also prohibits it from exporting weapons.
 

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Well, NK is seriously asking for trouble. What's shocking me is the muted response US is giving in favour of SK. They could very well start massive supplying of artillery rockets and MBRLs to SK for it to strike NK back. If such a non-responsive attitude continues in the region, this will be noted by Japanese who are already suspicious of US' ability to protect them in case of a war of their own. Japan has also tacitly agreed to cooperating with SK if this goes into a full blown war. With US power fading and its unwillingness to commit to regional security of east ASIA, I think Japan as well as SK will start rapidly militarizing to counter NK and PRC.

Both the countries have really advanced technology enough to do so and only didn't do till now since they trust US' umbrella which due to lack of US funds is waning. This will definitely prompt an under the hood militarization programme to start. As such there are talks of abolishing the White Paper in Japan that restricts it from militarizing largely and also prohibits it from exporting weapons.
In case of the war in Korea peninsular, the clear winner will be the China. North have nothing to lose and south korea's lose will the china's gain this geo-political game. All the investment will be moved to a safer place which will none other than Mainland China.
 

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Well, NK is seriously asking for trouble. What's shocking me is the muted response US is giving in favour of SK. They could very well start massive supplying of artillery rockets and MBRLs to SK for it to strike NK back. If such a non-responsive attitude continues in the region, this will be noted by Japanese who are already suspicious of US' ability to protect them in case of a war of their own. Japan has also tacitly agreed to cooperating with SK if this goes into a full blown war. With US power fading and its unwillingness to commit to regional security of east ASIA, I think Japan as well as SK will start rapidly militarizing to counter NK and PRC.

Both the countries have really advanced technology enough to do so and only didn't do till now since they trust US' umbrella which due to lack of US funds is waning. This will definitely prompt an under the hood militarization programme to start. As such there are talks of abolishing the White Paper in Japan that restricts it from militarizing largely and also prohibits it from exporting weapons.
If Japs start the militarisation then it means many pants will become wet. Unkil will not let down their allies that easily.
 

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If Japs start the militarisation then it means many pants will become wet. Unkil will not let down their allies that easily.
I won't deny that. The last time they thought about implying that word (Militarization), they made half the world $h!t in their pants. On the other hand; you speak about Unkil not letting his allies down. The thing is, US is not in a position to engage in a war even if it wanted to help out ROK. It simply cannot afford. With Pakistan playing the double game in AF-PAK and draining their resources in millions, NATO still snailing around with the Russian offer of alternate route and Iraq just got out from, Uncle wants some time-out. With Israelis getting worried over Iran-Turkey's new axis and now this attack on ROK, all the allies are proving to be a big liability for USA except for the bases. I bet Pentagon would be regretting not allowing ROK and Japan militarize enough to hold on their own against anything in that region.

IMO, I think that US doesn't need to engage in full blown war against DPRK even if the latter comes to a collision course with ROK. ROK has enough professional troops with a very good tech level for each soldier to penetrate the defenses of DPRK in small teams of special forces. ROK marines have obtained their training from SEALs who are sufficiently lethal. Also, ROK's familiarity with North Korea's Siberian terrain and its familiarity with the local geography makes them more likely to themselves do the job if US can just handle the missile retaliation on behalf of ROK: example launch MBRLs, SRBMs, CMs, and SSMs on behalf of ROK should it be necessary. This would save US all the logistical trouble of inserting fresh US soldiers into DPRK territory, leaving it to ROK special forces and infantry units.

While ROK can handle the manpower, the missile power should be of US since ROK doesn't have ballistic missiles of their own and DPRK being extremely unstable and unpredictable, can go nuclear anytime. So they should focus on getting ROK marines to train to take out DPRK sites or at least take control of them long enough to make Il quit and surrender. DPRK has a huge conventional army but they are poorly equipped, have limited technology and rely on old tactics like the Iran-Iraq war's infamous "human wave" in comparison to ROK's hi-tech gear.

There's a strong chance that if DPRK soldiers see their side weakening, they might even go against Il and family and enable a faster throw-out of regime. China should have warned DPRK about not starting the war rather than now coming in defense of their rogue ally who started the violence first. Any Chinese intervention will provoke US and Japan to get into the war.
 

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N Korea lines up missiles as US-South drill begins

China on Sunday pressed the emergency button for talks to resolve the crisis on the Korean peninsula, as North Korea moved its surface-to-surface missiles on launchpads in the Yellow Sea and the United States and South Korea began a massive naval drill on its troubled waters.

China urged six-party talks (including the US, Japan and Russia) at the earliest possible in December but Seoul and Tokyo only said they would "study" the proposal. At an unscheduled meeting earlier in the day, South Korean president Lee Myung-bak told a visiting Chinese delegation that Beijing must "do more" to help.

China's move to bring the two Koreas to the negotiating table comes after global pressure on Beijing to take a more responsible role in the standoff and try to rein in ally Pyongyang. It has, however, made clear that the talks would not amount to a resumption of six-party disarmament discussions which North Korea walked out of two years ago and declared dead.

Yonhap news agency in Seoul said North Korea, whose ailing leader, Kim Jong-il , is preparing to hand over power to his youngest son, had moved surface-toair and surface-to-surface missiles to frontline areas, days after it shelled Yeonpyeong island, killing four people. The North's official KCNA news agency warned of retaliatory action if its territory was violated.

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BEIJING/SEOUL (Reuters) – China, which has refused to condemn North Korea's attack on a southern island, said on Wednesday it would not favor any side but wanted to help resolve the dispute as a "responsible great power."

China, North Korea's only powerful ally, protected Pyongyang from censure by the U.N. Security Council for last week's deadly bombardment of Yeonpyeong island, an attack many analysts believe was an attempt to force the resumption of international negotiations that could bring it aid.

"Our general goal is for all sides to exercise calm and restraint and to make every effort to avoid such incidents recurring," Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said as South Korea planned further military drills for next week after U.S. warships leave on Wednesday.

"Since the exchange of fire between North and South Korea, China has made a series of efforts to prevent the situation from escalating and deteriorating. China decides its position based on the merits of each case and does not seek to protect any side," Yang said.

Yang spoke as Chen Zhili, vice-chairperson of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, met a delegation from North Korea. China wants to hold an emergency meeting of the six regional powers, but the proposal has met with a lukewarm response.

South Korea is planning further artillery drills, "including waters close to the Yellow Sea border (with the North)" starting on Monday, Yonhap said.

The Defense Ministry would not comment on the report. Such drills are common and the exercise would be west of Yeonpyeong, Yonhap said.

The plan was to "beef up its defense readiness posture against any possible additional provocations by North Korea," the news agency said, quoting officials.

As the nuclear-powered USS George Washington headed out of Korean waters back to Japan, oil traders said the U.S. Navy was seeking a medium-range oil tanker to move at least 30,000 tons of jet fuel from Japan to South Korea, suggesting it was stockpiling.

The route is unusual for jet fuel, but a U.S. military official said such shipments were standard for operational use.

Nearly 30,000 U.S. troops are based in South Korea, which is still technically at war with the North, having only signed a truce to end fighting in the 1950-53 war.

An attempt by France and Britain to push the U.N. Security Council to condemn North Korea's nuclear program and the attack on Yeonpyeong was on the verge of collapse because of China's unwillingness to apportion blame, envoys said.

The reason for the virtual breakdown of talks on two Security Council statements to rebuke Pyongyang was China's demand for removal of words such as "condemn" and "violation."

The United States and South Korea are pressing China, which has not blamed North Korea for the island attack or for the sinking of a South Korean naval vessel in March, to do more to rein in its ally.

President Lee Myung-bak, widely criticized at home for a perceived weak response to the attack, has twice warned that any further provocation would be met with force.

Outgoing Defense Minister Kim Tae-young told lawmakers on Tuesday that there was an "ample possibility" the North may stage another provocation after the joint maneuvers end.

South Korea's credit default swaps rose to a three-month high, reflecting geopolitical risk, Yonhap Infomax news agency said. But stocks ended up one percent and the won currency was up 0.7 percent.

THREATS AND BOASTS

Many analysts believe North Korea's attack, continual threats of all-out war and its boasting on Tuesday of huge nuclear advances are aimed at holding the world's attention as it seeks aid and other economic sweeteners with the resumption of so-called "six-party talks" it walked out of two years ago.

North Korea has conducted two nuclear tests to date and is believed to have enough fissile material from its plutonium-based program to make between six and 12 bombs.

It is also seen as a proliferation risk, accused by the West of supplying Syria, and possibly Iran, with nuclear know-how.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday the North's nuclear program, the attack on Yeonpyeong and a Chinese proposal for emergency talks would be raised at a meeting of foreign ministers in Washington in early December.

South Korea, Japan and the United States, three of the six countries involved in the on-off disarmament talks, will attend. (Additional reporting by Louis Charbonneau at the United Nations; Writing by Nick Macfie; Editing by Ron Popeski)
 
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South Korea and US 'plan more drills' amid N Korea fear

South Korea is planning to hold more military exercises, after its joint naval manoeuvres with the United States end in the Yellow Sea on Wednesday.

Seoul officials said they were in talks with Washington to stage further naval drills, possibly as soon as this month.

A US aircraft carrier arrived in the region last week shortly after the North shelled a South Korean island.

China has issued no direct public criticism of North Korea but says it is concerned about the naval drills.

China has said the most pressing task is to avoid further escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula.


Soldiers have moved in on Yeonpyong island after last Tuesday's shelling by North Korean forces


Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said those involved should exercise restraint and work towards resolving the situation through dialogue.

China - North Korea's main ally - does not seek to "protect any side", he was quoted as saying by the state-run Xinhua new agency.

China has called for an emergency meeting of members of the six nations involved in talks on North Korean nuclear disarmament.

North Korea's Choe Thae-bok, an aide to leader Kim Jong-il, is in Beijing.

China's state councillor Dai Bingguo has been invited to Pyongyang, unconfirmed reports from Beijing say.

The AFP news agency reports that China has blocked any formal UN censure of North Korea for last week's shelling.
Stalled talks

A South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff officer said that Seoul and Washington were planning new military drills off South Korea's west coast.

The officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said talks were focused on whether these would take place this month or next.

Separately, South Korea is planning what it calls routine week-long naval live-fire exercises from 29 sites around the country.

These are due to start next week and continue for several weeks.

China, however, has expressed its anger at the joint US-South Korean military exercises - which were planned before North Korea's shelling of Yeonpyong island last week.

Washington says the drills are purely defensive in nature.

China has also been pressing for a resumption of the six-nation talks on ending North Korea's nuclear programme.

The US has said these talks cannot resume until North Korea apologises for its torpedoing of a South Korean warship in March, and stops further nuclear enrichment plants from operating.

The six-party talks, involving the two Koreas, the US, China, Japan and Russia, have been stalled since April 2009.

Analysts say diplomacy has been further complicated by the recent leak of diplomatic cables by whistle-blowing website Wikileaks.






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Looks like even ROK has grown a pair down there after years of being bullied and now plans to fight to the finish if the need arise be. On the other hand GOI still begs Pakistan to "take action against non-state actors and eliminate terror infrastructure". How sad can this get?

Tiny countries like Sri Lanka and South Korea are more fierce militarily than the "mighty India". What's the use of maintaining such large military and special forces/ :angry_1:
 

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Looks like even ROK has grown a pair down there after years of being bullied and now plans to fight to the finish if the need arise be. On the other hand GOI still begs Pakistan to "take action against non-state actors and eliminate terror infrastructure". How sad can this get?

Tiny countries like Sri Lanka and South Korea are more fierce militarily than the "mighty India". What's the use of maintaining such large military and special forces/ :angry_1:
Tsering bro apart from being conducting military exercise with USA what S korea has done to show that they have balls ? I would say nothing. They were forced to cancel their live artillary exercise in disputed Island. Developed and responsible countries are always forced on backfoot.
 

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^^ Well that is something so far. BTW ROK did fire artillery shells back into North. Now naturally since DPRK is so secretive it will claim invincibility and all that but the point is, artillery met retaliation with artillery. The question is, what did we do at policy makers' level?
 

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South Korea vows air strikes if North attacks

South Korea's defence minister-designate has promised a tougher response, including air strikes, if North Korea attacks again.

Kim Kwan-jin was responding to questions in parliament during his confirmation hearing.

North Korea shelled a Southern island near the two countries' disputed maritime border last week, killing four people and destroying many homes.


Incoming Defence Minister Kim Kwan-jin promised air strikes if South Korea was attacked again


South Korea's spy chief has said another Northern attack was likely.

Tensions have soared in the region since the North Korean bombardment of Yeonpyeong island on 23 November. Two civilians and two South Korean marines were killed.

The shelling came after South Korean forces conducted exercises in the area.

"If North Korea provokes again, we will definitely use aircraft to attack North Korea," Mr Kim said when asked how he would respond to another attack.

He also criticised his predecessor, saying the military should not have ignored intelligence reports suggesting an attack from the North was likely.
More military leeway

Kim Tae-young was forced to resign just days after the bombardment of Yeonpyeong island, amid criticism that the military's response was too slow and too weak.

Kim Kwan-jin, a retired general and former head of South Korea's joint chiefs of staff, told his confirmation hearing that he would strengthen the military's rules of engagement, to give more power to the head of the military.

He said he would also give more leeway to commanders in the field to determine the level of response to attacks.

Korean broadcaster KBS said last week that more rigorous rules of engagement being proposed included return fire that was two to three times more powerful than any initial Northern fire.

The current rules call for a proportionate response with similar weapons and on a similar scale, to avoid escalation.

The North Korean bombardment produced images not seen since the Korean War 60 years ago, says the BBC's Lucy Williamson in Seoul.

The civilian casualties, bombed out buildings and a mass evacuation were all captured on the nightly news, she says, and the public pressure on the government to make changes is high.

Mr Kim said he did not think that North Korea was ready to launch a full-scale war because of the country's impoverished economy and the apparent transfer of power from leader Kim Jong-il to his third son, Kim Jong-un.
'Brink of war'

Many analysts have viewed the bombardment and other recent North Korean actions as an attempt to bolster the standing of Kim Jong-un in the eyes of the North's military.

In a sign that tensions on the divided peninsula may escalate further, South Korean military officials said live-ammunition artillery exercises would be held soon near the disputed western maritime border.

Joint South Korean-US military exercises that ended a few days ago provoked an angry response the North, with Pyongyang saying before they began that they would push the region to "the brink of war".

Once they began, Pyongyang warned: "We will deliver a brutal military blow on any provocation which violates our territorial waters," the North's state-controlled KCNA news agency said.
Pressure on China

The exercises were planned long before the shelling of Yeonpyeong, but South Korea and the US are planning more naval drills.

Meanwhile, South Korean officers are observing for the first time joint Japan-US military exercises.

The US has put pressure on China, North Korea's biggest ally, to moderate North Korea's behaviour.

China has refused to place blame for the crisis on either side, instead calling for a resumption of six-party talks aimed at ending North Korea's nuclear programme.

"Those who brandish weapons are seen to be justified," said Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu.

"Yet China is criticised for talks. Is that justified?"







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Good Info Rahul..
but how many chances to attack..... NK!!!!!!
if they dont attack every other rogue nation will build N-reactors and threaten the Worlds security.........
 

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S Korea begins live-fire drills around peninsula

South Korea's military Monday began a major live-fire exercise amid high tensions following North Korea's deadly bombardment of a border island last month, officials said.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) said the firing exercises by warships or artillery units on land had started in 29 locations, including one of five frontline islands near the disputed Yellow Sea border with the North.

The North on November 23 killed two civilians and two marines in an artillery attack on Yeonpyeong island, sending regional tensions soaring.

On Sunday, it called the upcoming drill, scheduled to take place off all three coasts of the peninsula from Monday to Friday, an effort to trigger a war.

A JCS spokesman said he did "not even feel the need to comment" on the North's latest statement.

He quoted South Korea's new Defence Minister Kim Kwan-Jin as saying: "The drills carried out south of the Northern Limit Line, in our sea territory, are a fair and just exercise, and we will carry out the drills no matter what."

The military said Monday's drill was taking place on Daecheong island, 80 kilometres west of Yeonpyeong, and at 28 other locations around the country.

Kim last week vowed to hit back with air strikes should the North stage a new attack.

The North refuses to accept the Northern Limit Line sea border drawn by United Nations forces after the 1950-53 war, and demands it be redrawn further to the south.


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Top US commander heading to South Korea

Admiral Michael Mullen, the top US military commander, was heading to South Korea early Tuesday to discuss strategy with Washington's ally after last month's attack by North Korea.

Mullen was leading a delegation "to enhance coordination on strategic deterrence," US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said late Monday.

He was to meet Wednesday with his counterpart General Han Min Koo, the South Korean Yonhap News Agency reported.

Clinton spoke after meeting with Japanese Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara and South Korean Foreign Minister Kim Sung Hwan in Washington.

The three condemned North Korea's lethal shelling of Yeonpyeong island as a violation of the Armistice Agreement of 1953. Clinton vowed the "belligerent behaviour" would be met with "solidarity from all three countries."

The US has a mutual defence agreement with South Korea. Japan is one of Seoul's main investors and trade partners.

North Korean artillery fire struck the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong Nov 23, killing two soldiers and two civilians, and injuring over a dozen more.

The move came amid heightened tensions after the sinking of a South Korean navy corvette in March, with the loss of 46 lives, which Seoul blames on the North.

The US and Japan have called on China, Pyongyang's closest ally, to rein in the North's aggressive behaviour.




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N Korea deploys torpedo-carrying midget submarines: Report

North Korea has developed a new type of midget submarine fitted with torpedo launch tubes, allowing it to attack South Korea warships more easily, a report said Tuesday.

Satellite images of a naval base in the North's southwestern city of Nampo, published by JoongAng Ilbo newspaper, show what appears to be a 17-metre-long submarine with a tube-like structure attached to its top.

"We have concluded that it is a torpedo launch tube," the paper quoted an unidentified Seoul intelligence source as saying.

The paper said the new Daedong-B midget submarine moves faster than larger submarines and is harder for military radar to detect.

The South accused the North of sending a 29-metre Yono-class submarine to torpedo the Cheonan warship in March which sank with the loss of 46 lives. The North denies the charge.

The newspaper said the North has long used midget submarines to infiltrate spies into the South. It said Seoul military officials now suspect Pyongyang has developed a more powerful midget sub to carry torpedoes and other weapons.

South Korea's defence ministry and intelligence agency declined to comment.

Cross-border tensions have been high since the Cheonan incident, and rose further after the North's deadly artillery attack on a South Korean border island on November 23.




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The three condemned North Korea's lethal shelling of Yeonpyeong island as a violation of the Armistice Agreement of 1953. Clinton vowed the "belligerent behaviour" would be met with "solidarity from all three countries."
In a year S Korea and the US have conducted over 20 military drills on the Peninsula. N Korea only kept on condemning or protesting... Finally N.Korea fought back provocation by the South. Very regrettably the voice of North can't be heard. What is aired is overwhelmingly 'analysis' or intimidation of the US or SK's propaganda machine. There has never been a joint military exercise conducted btwn China and N. Korea nor is there a Chinese solider in NK. China , like an ostrich, evades her obligations as laid down in the Sino-NK treaty of Alliance and Mutual Assistance valid till 2021 (?).

The US and Japan have called on China, Pyongyang's closest ally, to rein in the North's aggressive behaviour.
China would have been naive if she thought all the fuss the US + JP+SK made were only targeting NK alone. The more timid China appears (not taking side blah blah), the more perils China is going to face (alone), if China fails to prove trust-worthy to the longstanding ally, who chose to develop nuke capacity in order to break the US-led suffocation on her own after realizing China wouldn't honor her commitment.

Fortunately current leadership of China has started to rectify Deng Xiaoping's blunder in geopolitics.
 

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If I am correct then these are Images of Iranian midget submarines not the Korean ones.
It was the north Korean who bring theses Subs blue prints to Iran..

Iran modified it with its tech ( Obviously better than NK ) and use it in mass, these Subs are not good as Kilo class or Dolphin class but still remain a thread in large Number..


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NK works are worrying us as they were responsible for PA IRBM developments & Myanmar Nuclear dream..

Its time to shake hands with SK defense Industry and invest in their projects..
 

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