Khurshed Anti National?

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  1. Ray

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    Shame in the face of denial
    - Khurshid speaks out on Kashmir mass rape 22 years ago


    Srinagar, June 28: Foreign minister Salman Khurshid today referred to an alleged mass gang rape by the army in Kashmir 22 years ago to say that he felt ashamed at the incident and regretted his inability to do anything about it.

    To a question, the minister said that if he supported a resolution of the Kashmir dispute outside the ambit of the Indian Constitution, he might lose his job.

    Khurshid is the first Union minister to have expressed regrets about the alleged Kunanposhpora rapes, which the army and the Centre claim never took place.

    Some 125 jawans had allegedly gang-raped at least 31 women in the north Kashmir village in 1991. The Press Council of India, invited by the army to investigate, had backed its version.

    But the alleged incident is etched deep in the Valley’s collective memory and is said to have driven many young men to militancy. A Kupwara court this month ordered a reinvestigation after a citizens’ petition claimed the police probe had been “incomplete and mala fide”.



    “I am honestly appalled that this has happened to my family. I may even say that I am shocked that I am not able to do anything about it.”

    He said the situation in Kashmir resembled a “war”.

    “So many people who don’t deserve to suffer, suffer in a war. But at the end of the war you still shake hands, sign a peace document and begin to talk to the very people who have been killing and marauding you. It is a moral dilemma. It is an emotional dilemma,” he said.

    He was asked why New Delhi did not agree to a solution outside the Constitution. “If I was to say whether we think we can think out of the Constitution, I lose my job at home,” the minister said.

    “Because the rest of the people of India believe that they haven’t elected me to participate in an exercise where I willingly sacrifice a part of India. That is the reality we have to live with.”

    Khurshid said the best way to resolve issues was to keep talking about them and cited the US-Taliban dialogue.

    “People talk when it becomes clear to them that practically nothing else will work, and (when) to the government it becomes clear that a military solution is not the way to move forward,” he said.

    “Why is there at least a beginning of an effort to talk between the Taliban and Americans or the Taliban and the Afghans (government)? Because I think they all have after 10 years of fighting come to the conclusion that this is not going to go anywhere, this will carry on for 20 years, 30 and 40 years…. The fact is, they have come to a conclusion that they are people who can talk and people who must talk.”

    Khurshid defended the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act though he clarified that he had “no fixed position” on it and that the unbridled powers enjoyed by the forces could be questioned.

    “We have lost some very brave cadres in the forces. They have not come here to enjoy (themselves) but they were ordered to do so. If we count human lives, human lives are the same no matter who it is,” he said.

    “We have to protect them (the forces) as well because they protect us at the border... (but) we can say, ‘You enjoy an imbalanced protection’.”

    Lost bunny

    Khurshid, who lived in Srinagar as a boy, recounted his sense of loss when his pet bunny ran away and drew parallels with the pain felt now by Kashmiris, PTI reported.

    “On one side was our house and on the other was the (army) cantonment. There was a wooden fencing which was broken at one place. Small children could pass through it,” he told state Congress workers.

    “I had raised a white bunny. One day, the bunny ran through this opening into the cantonment and did not come back…. I (still) have a longing to get that bunny back.”

    He added: “That bunny became a symbol (to me) of the beautiful life here and of the unity and progress of this place. It seems that you are also yearning to get that bunny back in your lives.”

    Khurshid said the incident happened when his father worked with a transport company in Srinagar. “My first introduction to Srinagar made me believe that the entire world is beautiful like Srinagar.”

    Shame in the face of denial

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    Couple of issues come to mind;

    1. If indeed there was a mass rape, then the total command and control of the army unit had been compromised.

    Which means:

    (A) the officers, JCOs had lost all control and should have been court martialled since it was totally against the ethos of the military and was counter productive to the concept of 'winning the hearts and minds'. In short, totally derailing the process of defeating terrorism.

    (B) that all concerned, be it the Army, the International and Indian Human Rights Organisation, the foreign and domestic media, the Judiociary, the State Govt and the Central Govt were complicit or totally impotent.

    2. How did an otherwise aggressive media overseeing body like the Press Council of India give a clean chit?

    3. How was it that the pro Pakistan lobby in Kashmir was silent and did not do the song and a dance that they do for even minor issues, and not for such a grave crime?

    4. How is it that the Ministers at the Centre not take cognisance?

    5. How is it that Salman Khurshed not take it up with the Cabinet, when he was a Minister in a variety of posts, like Minority Affairs, Law and now Foreign.

    6. What makes him now speak out and why does he not give details?

    It just appears that the Congress Party is leaving no stones unturned to fool the public so that they can approach the election with a little more confidence and calm their shattered nerves.

    And Salman Khurshed is one who can lie through his teeth as we have seen on so many occasions.

    Giving him the benefit of doubt, if this is true, it should be investigated and the culprits brought to book.

    And if it is not, then Salman Khurshed should be tried for sedition as a traitor!

    Like his bunny, he should get lost!
     
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    Tronic Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    Oh, the same central government which had just rigged Kashmir's elections 4 years earlier? :rolleyes:
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Isn't he the same man who justified the deaths of Hindus & Sikhs during 1984 riot calling it a "payment of sins" in his book "At Home In India: A restatement of..." ??
     
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    Is he still the EAM?
     
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    He will continue to be the EAM

    But his statement is shocking.

    If he is right, why is the Govt sleeping?

    No one in uniform would appreciate what is claimed to have been done.

    It insults what they have been doing otherwise.

    Are independent agencies, who are so aggressive of 'freedom of press compromised?

    If not, Khurshed should explain and the Union Govt should explain why no action has been taken.

    Or is it a bogus political and election ploy?

    If so, Khurshed should be booked as a traitor, or if he is right the Govt asked what they have been impotent and the Govt held accountable for disloyalty to the Nation!
     
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    Rigging is the same as condoning mass rape?

    Weird logic.
     
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    If they can rig, they can condone rape. Nothing weird about calling a spade, a spade.
     
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    Indeed.

    Lets face it there are bad apples in every organization, doesn't mean the whole organization is rotten because of them.
     
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    'Shame’ recoils on Delhi

    - Valley activists use Khurshid remarks to target Centre


    MUZAFFAR RAINA


    Srinagar June 29: Salman Khurshid’s remarks on an alleged mass rape by the army and a situation of “war” in the Valley have triggered demands for Indian state institutions to step aside and let Jammu and Kashmir come under the ambit of international law.

    The foreign minister had yesterday said he felt “ashamed” at the alleged gang rape of 31 women by 125 jawans at Kunanposhpora village in 1991 and regretted his inability “to do anything about it”. The army and the Centre have consistently denied that the rapes ever happened.

    A joint statement by the alleged victims’ families and rights groups today sought to use Khurshid’s remarks to target the Centre.

    “By accepting helplessness in dealing with the situation, the Indian external affairs minister has made a strong argument for Indian state institutions to step aside and immediately allow Jammu and Kashmir to be brought to the attention of international law and institutions,” it said.

    The statement added that as foreign minister, Khurshid “would be aware of the international connotations” of his remarks.

    “He appears to accept that the Indian state is at war with the people of Jammu and Kashmir,” it said, referring to Khurshid’s remarks that it “is like war” in the state.

    “Consequently, international law including the rules of war must apply to the Indian state and its role in the commission of gross human rights violations,” the statement said.

    “India is party to the Geneva Conventions, 1949, and the Genocide Convention, 1948. India’s role in Jammu and Kashmir must be considered in the light of the laws relating to genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and numerous other internationally recognised crimes.”

    The statement said that Khurshid’s “partial acknowledgement” of the alleged mass rape wasn’t enough.

    “It took 22 years for someone in the Indian government to partially acknowledge the Kunanposhpora mass rape. It is obviously not enough. Justice cannot be substituted by mere acknowledgements,” it said.

    The statement said that if the 125 accused army personnel were not prosecuted, Khurshid’s remarks would be construed as mere lip service.

    “We need justice and these statements after decades of lies and denial of justice do not impress us. Reconciliation minus justice is unacceptable,” said the statement issued by Kunanposhpora residents, the Support Group for Justice for Kunan Poshpora, and the Jammu Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society.

    The army spokesperson was not available for comment.

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130630/jsp/nation/story_17064653.jsp#.Uc-5zfnI02w
     
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    I really don't understand what is happening with the Congress Party.

    They are on a suicidal mission it appears and cutting their own feet!
     
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    "Vinash kaale viparith buddhi" like Tony Montana in Scarface....
     
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    True but this doesn't sound like that and Ray sir's some points are also very much valid

    Of course not every action should be considered as Vote Bank Politics but we're talking about congress here.
     
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    I believe, no matter how hard Congress tries to hit itself on its head, they cannot be displaced from Center.

    Expect them to dole out some new largesse or freebies off their populist baggage at the last moment (like they did towards the end of their last term) & herald UPA-III on us, in 2014.

    Not everyone can see beyond the immediate & obvious, & it is people like these who vote in hordes en-masse. This section of our electorate would ensure that Congress perpetuates itself in next term as well.
     
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