Key 26/11 conspirator Abu Hamza arrested at Delhi Airport

[Yusuf]

Ok TOI is reporting in today's paper that Abu Jindal has already told that LeT chief Hafiz Saeed WAS PRESENT in the control room directing 26/11 operations.

MAJOR MAJOR statement. Nail the ----ing bastard now.

 

[Yusuf]

Also says that several ISI and Pak Army attended all meetings during the planning of 26/11.

 

[spikey360]

Who are we kidding? Ourselves? Do we need further evidence of Pakistan's complicity? What have we done with all the evidence that we have got already except send dossiers upon dossiers to Pakistan that get rejected?

More than the Pakistanis, it is our government that is probably s...ting in the pants with this new angle brought in. This government cannot handle any further evidence because it would mean inventing another reason not to take action against Pakistan.

Just saw the Newshour with the eminent Arnab Goswami making a fool of himself with his Pakistani guests. Why do we bother? Let us just admit that we are spineless folks who can be terrorized, murdered, raped and looted and we are not going to do anything about it.

Can we not. at the very least, break off ties with Pakistan and revoke MFN and ask them to f... off when they beg for power or locomotives? Why do we not remember 26/11??

Unfortunately, I'd have to partly agree with you. This government has gone too far to placate an enemy we should be united to destroy. Sometimes makes me wonder if this government is really a government of India or a government of appeasers.
As for that interview you are talking about, you are right. Arnab really made a fool of himself. Did you see Maroof's, KC Singh's and Nikam's reactions? Silence.. That is exactly what we have to do, keep our mouths quiet and let our actions do all the talking. CBM, MFN and Aman-Ki-Tamasha should be thrown down the drain and we must break all diplomatic ties immediately. I would like to say 'war!' but would insist on covert war to bypass American hypocricy.

 

[Yusuf]

Arnab ka video link post karo. I have not seen

 

[Galaxy]

Arnab ka video link post karo. I have not seen

Debate: Bigger catch than Kasav - 1-The Newshour-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

Debate: Bigger catch than Kasav - 2-The Newshour-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

Debate: Bigger catch than Kasav - 3-The Newshour-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

 

[Yusuf]

Apple and adobe don't see eye to eye. Can't view link

 

[Virendra]

A: Tell the boys to give the number of terrorists according to their fancy.
Response: Yes
A: Don't reveal your numbers. Don't say 14 or 15. Say 4, 5 or 6 only

So they were 14-15 suckers indeed.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[rock127]

ajtr have you read the entire news report? This person the only Indian link to the attack will show how the entire 26/11 attack was funded, operationalised and foot soldiers provided by not some rougue elements in Pakistan, but the Pakistan ISI and Army itself! Hafiz Saeed's involment will be given by an eye witness account.


Saudis helped India nab 26/11 handler Abu Jundal - The Times of India

He also proves the fact that the Pakistani intelligence agencies tried their best to make the Mumbai attacks being a local attack. They falsely made the Paksitani terrorists claim that they are from Hyderabad and call themselves Deccan Mujahideen to create hatred against Hyderabadi Muslims even though there was no Hyd involment there. Just goes to show that they hoped a backlash and revenge attacks in Hyd so that they can later use that as a recruitment tool from affected people there. Makes you wonder if the reason was because they wern't able to get any recruits from Hyd.

This person - Abu Jindal - was caught by Saudi Intelligence and arrived their on a PAKISTANI passport and till the last minute, the GoP was pressurising the Saudi govt. to NOT hand him over to India because he would spill the beans. The Saudis however are no longer willing to play the Pakistani fame and once they got the Indian tipoff and a DNA test confirm based on his family DNA, they deported him to India. I think this clearly shows Pakistani OFFICIAL involvment in the 26/11 attacks.

Without their sponsorship no major attack in India could happen.

Saudis are proving to be a much better country than Pakis(at least in handing over terrorists) on War Against Terrorism or say War Against Pakistan.

 

[sehwag1830]

NDTV once again giving Pakistan a clean chit on terrorism

As a Lashkar insider who allegedly played a key role in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, Hamza could potentially expose the alleged role of Pakistan's state players like the ISI in that terror strike.
Abu Hamza was in Saudi Arabia to gather funds for big terror strike; Pakistan tried to prevent his extradition: Sources | NDTV.com

Is this alleged or proved ?

 

[Ray]

Re: NDTV once again giving Pakistan a clean chit on terrorism

Is that the Govt of India's line?

 

[A chauhan]

Audio clip of the 26/11 attacks

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/archive/01124/26_11_tape_-_Zabiu_1124458a.mp3

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Hindi Transcript


The transcript of the conversation between terrorists at Nariman House and their Pakistani handler Zabiuddin Ansari alias Abu Jundal, during the 26/11 attacks, as recorded by security agencies:

Terrorist (T): Hello.

Abu Jundal (AJ): Salaam alaikum.

T: Wallekum assalam.

AJ: Jo maine julat likhaye the na, uspe kuch yaad hoga na? (The ___ I wrote, do you remember anything of it?)

T: Yaad toh hai, lekin Wassi bhai keh rahe the ke ye Star mediawale the... (I remember, but Wassi bhai was saying that they were Star media people...)

AJ: Udhar ki baatein nahin karna. Lekin Israel ki baatein karni hai... Doosri ye baat hai ke wey poochenge aap kahan par hain. (Don't talk about them/there. But talk about Israel... Also, they may ask you where you are.)

AJ: ...wo poochenge aap kahan ke hai. Kehna main Hyderabad Decccan ka hoon. (They may ask where are you from. Tell them you are from Hyderabad Deccan)...

T: Hyderabad Deccan.

AJ: Hyderabad city ka... aur Chowki areai. (Hyderabad City, Chowki area).

T: Chowki.

AJ: Toli chowki, Toli chowki... Aur phir poochhe toh kehna, mujahideen Hyderabad Deccan se mera talluq hai. (And if they ask, tell them you belong to Mujahideen Hyderabad Deccan.)

T: Theek hai (okay).

AJ: Sangeen se... (From Sangeen).

AJ: Aur agar wey kehte hai ye action kyun ki hai... hum hukumat ki doshi policy, hukumat ki dohri policy, huqumat peeth thapthapati hai aur prashasan sar pe tole maarti hai. (And if they ask why did you commit this act. blame the faulty policy of the government, the dual policy... the government pats you on the back and the administration hits you on the head.)

T: Hukumat ki doshi policy. Hukumat peeth thapthapati hai. (The government's faulty policy. The administration pats on the back...)

AJ: Aur prashasan jo hai, sar par tole maarta hai. (And the administration hits you on the head). Uski taaza misaal Sachar Committee ki sifarishein (The latest example is the Sachar Committee's recommendations)... Jis taraf hukumat ye aeilan karti hai aur dar asal wajah prashasan Muslim yuwakon ko pakad pakad kar giraftar karti hai. (The way the government makes the announcement, and the real reason why the administration arrests the Muslim youth). (Sachar must be beating his head for his name being misused and abusing Congress)

T: Hukumat koi aur insaan karti hai. (Some other people rule).

AJ: Prashasan ka anmal... uska anmal Muslim yuwakon ko giraftar karke deta hai. Saabit karta hai... (The administration's conduct... arresting Muslim youths. It proves)...

AJ: Unka future barbaad karti hai. Unko ye ultimatum de dege... Humara abhi toh trailer hai, abhi asal film toh baaki hai. Hukumat ye jaan le yeh trailer hai, asal film baaqi hai. (Destroys their future. We will give them this ultimatum. This is only a trailer, the real film is yet to play out. The government should know it's only a trailer).

T: Hukumat ye jaan le. Sarkar ye jaan le. Humare toh abhi trailer hai... abhi asal film toh baaqi hai. (The state should know, the government should know. This is our trailer.)

AJ: Yeh toh abhi trailer hai. (This is only a trailer)... Yeh chhota sa udaharan hai... trailer hai. (It is a small example, trailer).

T: Film toh abhi saara pada hai. (The entire film remains).

AJ: Unko kahein ye chhota sa namoona tha. Abhi hukumat ko dekhna hai, aage aur kya kya hota hai. (Tell them it's only a small example. The government is yet to see what happens in the future).

T: Abhi hukumat dekhegi kya hota hai. (The government will see what happens next)...

AJ: Itminaan ke saath bolna, jhagde ke bina ghabrahat, aap apni baat zyada karna hai. Unko sawaal ka mauqa kam dena hai. (Speak at ease, without any fight or fear. You have to talk more. Give them fewer chances of asking questions)

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AJ: Jitne bhi jailon mein musalmaan qaid hain, unko riha kiya jayein...ek number. (All the Muslims in jails should be released, number one.) ( why to release murderers and criminals ?)

T: Saare musalmaan riha. (All Muslims should be released).

AJ: Number 2... Muslim states musalmaanon ki hawaaale kiya jayein. (The Muslim states should be handed over to the Muslims).(Which Muslim state? oh Islamic imperialism ? i don't see any Muslim state in Bharat !)

T: States musalmaan ki hawaale kiya jayein (States should be handed over to the Muslims).

AJ: Number 3, Kashmir se fauj bulayi jayein, unko unka haq diya jayein. Kashmirion ko apna haq diya jayein. (Number three, the forces should be recalled from Kashmir. They should be given their rights. The Kashmiris should be given their rights.)(So that terrorists and Pakis may occupy J&K? )

T: Theek hai. (okay).

AJ: Babri Masjid ki jagah par masjid ka kaam shuru kiya jayein. Us jagah ko musalmaanon ke hawaale kiya jayein. (A mosque should be constructed at the Babri Masjid site. The site should be handed over to the Muslims) (Why should a Hindu temple's place be handed over to Muslims Terrorists ke baap ki jagah hai kya?)

AJ: Israel ka saaath gathbandhan na kiya jayein. (The site should be handed over to the Muslims. There should not be any ties with Israel).(You will teach us ?! )

T: Ji (okay).

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English Translation ...

U: Okay? You tell them you are calling from Nariman Point. You are in Nariman building and you have hostages. And ask them to call you at this number.

See how badly they are brainwashed/self brainwashed they doesn't know anything except Islam!! all these imperialistic thoughts will be washed away when Police will use third degree. What did they teach them and what Kasab puked !!

This arrest seems to be more important than Kasab's.

 

[ejazr]

Abu Jundal's arrest and its affect on Pakistan - India dynamics

I have created this thread separately to track International aspects of the arrest and its implications and updates on foreign relations.

Pakistan in the cold on Lashkar after Abu Jundal's arrest - Hindustan Times

The main political gain for India from the arrest of Lashkar-e-Taiba operative Abu Jundal, also known by his operational name Abu Hamza, will be its impact on Pakistan.

Islamabad, already isolated on other issues, will be shocked when it realises how the arrest took

Various sources say the initial tip-off that Jundal was in Saudi Arabia came from US intelligence. He was then apprehended by Riyadh which in turn told India to send a special plane to pick him up. "That a number of governments worked together to help India increases pressure on Pakistan," says counter-terrorism expert Ajai Sahni.

That the two countries involved were ones Pakistan has seen as "allies" would be especially unnerving. Pakistan-based security analyst Talat Masood said the Saudi role was "significant" — Pakistani-Saudi security links were even closer than those Islamabad had with the US.

An Indian diplomat says Saudi-India counter-terrorism cooperation, once non-existent, has deepened considerably the past two years. This is partly driven by Saudi interest in India as a future oil client, Lashkar's drift towards the anti-Saud Al Qaeda and US pressure.

Says a Washington-based LeT watcher: "There is a realisation in Washington that a key means to go after the LeT is to go through the Gulf."

The other gain for India, if Jundal talks, is to provide evidence about the connections between the 26/11 attack, the Inter-Services Intelligence and the Pakistani state as a whole. "His confession would make it harder to deny the state links to the attack," says a senior retired Indian intelligence officer. After all, Jundal was in the terrorist control room during 26/11, alongside senior Lashkar and ISI officers.

New Delhi can expect to throw any new evidence at Pakistan, pushing harder for action against the LeT perpetrators of 26/11, many of whom were arrested and then released, including Jundal. "He can be used to project our case, provide more hard evidence to Pakistan and the international community," says Sahni.

 

[ejazr]

Re: Abu Jundal's arrest and its affect on Pakistan - India dynamics

India Pakistan foreign minister talks were due later next week and have been postponed for now

India-Pakistan Foreign Minister-level talks postponed - The Economic Times

SM Krishna has also turned on the heat on Pakistan saying that Pakistan is not doing enough on anti-terror co-operation
Pakistan not doing enough on terror, says EAM SM Krishna : India, News - India Today

 

[ejazr]

Re: Abu Jundal's arrest and its affect on Pakistan - India dynamics

SM Krishna confirms the Saudi help in official capacity

Krishna confirms Saudi Arabia's help behind Abu Jundal's arrest : India, News - India Today

India got cooperation from Saudi Arabia in netting one of the key conspirators of 26/11 Mumbai terror attack, Sayed Zabiuddin Ansari, alias Abu Jundal alias Abu Hamza, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna confirmed to Headlines Today on Tuesday.

Jundal was arrested from Delhi’s Indira Gandhi International Airport last week. He was traced to Saudi a year ago, but the authorities in the Middle East nation were not forthcoming as he had travelled there on a Pakistani passport.

India was in touch with Pakistan to ascertain how Jundal reached Saudi. He was nabbed after a nearly year long operation by the Indian intelligence. Some very intense bargaining and a DNA test led Saudi authorities to cooperate.

What made matters difficult for India was pressure mounted on Saudi authorities by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). New Delhi produced several documents to establish that Jundal was an Indian citizen from Beed in Maharashtra.

The tables were turned following a DNA test. Authorities in India obtained a sample from Jundal's family and sent it to Saudi and won its support.

 

[ejazr]

Re: Abu Jundal's arrest and its affect on Pakistan - India dynamics

One thing that concerns me is that what role did Indian intelligence play in tracking down Abu Jindal. From the first article it looks pretty much that it was the US that tipped of the Saudis and Indians and only later when it came to confirming the identity that Indian intelligence were involved.

You may wonder if the US knew this for a long time and only now started giving the information so as to turn the screws on Pakistan. There were similar questions raised on the David Headley issue where the US knew he was a LeT agent but still allowed him to go in and out of US and arrested him only much later.

Still no doubt that the help provided by the US and Saudis is appreciated but those niggling questions remain.

 

[skumar7777]

Unfortunately, I'd have to partly agree with you. This government has gone too far to placate an enemy we should be united to destroy. Sometimes makes me wonder if this government is really a government of India or a government of appeasers.
As for that interview you are talking about, you are right. Arnab really made a fool of himself. Did you see Maroof's, KC Singh's and Nikam's reactions? Silence.. That is exactly what we have to do, keep our mouths quiet and let our actions do all the talking. CBM, MFN and Aman-Ki-Tamasha should be thrown down the drain and we must break all diplomatic ties immediately. I would like to say 'war!' but would insist on covert war to bypass American hypocricy.

Why does Arnab have to speak so much when he does not have anything substantial to add? Why does he not let his more informed guests speak? e.g. when the Pakistanis were talking about Headley being an US national and Aby being India, Arnab was fumbling for words instead of directly passing it on to Maroof. When the other Pakistani clown Kasuri talked about Ghaznavi, Ghauri and Babar and mocked us about them stopping the Taliban without which they would have been in Kolkata, we had little to say. Why do we have to appear so genteel? Why does Times Now have to bring in guests every time just for the sake of appearing balanced?

 

[skumar7777]

Saudis are proving to be a much better country than Pakis(at least in handing over terrorists) on War Against Terrorism or say War Against Pakistan.

Is it too much of a coincidence - the Saudi heir apparent Prince Nayef bin Abdulaziz Al Saud passing away last week and Abu Hamza being captured a week later?

 

[rock127]

Is it too much of a coincidence - the Saudi heir apparent Prince Nayef bin Abdulaziz Al Saud passing away last week and Abu Hamza being captured a week later?

Don't know... just that Saudi handed over a Paki terrorist even after so much pressure from the Pakis.

 

[skumar7777]

Nothing shocking in that - Its well known that Dawood Ibrahim get his full political backing from Sharad Pawar's NCP.

Not many people would agree but political support for anti-nationalist thugs would have been less likely if the BJP were in government. Mind you, I am not forgiving the BJP for the utter lack of spine in dealing with Kandahar. The BJP could have brought in a no hostage negotiation policy at least after Kandahar which would have been difficult for any following government to repeal.

Part of the BJP's problem was that they wanted to appear nice and soft - remember Vajpayee intervening with the Americans to get Rahul Vinci back from the FBI's clutches after he was caught with narcotics?

 

[KS]

AJ: Toli chowki, Toli chowki... Aur phir poochhe toh kehna, mujahideen Hyderabad Deccan se mera talluq hai. (And if they ask, tell them you belong to Mujahideen Hyderabad Deccan.)

T: Theek hai (okay).

AJ: Sangeen se... (From Sangeen).

If I am not mistaken, Sangeen was the place of recent communal riots in Andhra...