Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of UPAs

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    Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of UPAs subsidy raj


    AAP intensely dislikes being called Congresss B-team,arguing that it did after all win 28 seats to the latters eight in Delhi.True enough.People have unambiguously voted for change.But in its first week in power,AAP has unfortunately exhibited a more of the same avatar instead of a fresh take on governance.UPAs expansive welfarism has bust the fisc and shattered Indias growth story a profligacy thats also left all of us haplessly struggling against persistent inflation.Walking the same path AAP has already expanded subsidies for water and electricity dramatically,and talk of CNG sops is also heavy in the air.

    Consider the alternative that AAP could have proposed.Its estimated that 40-50 % of the water in Indias urban distribution system is lost.Groundwater recharge is neglected.Many households are yet to be metered.In Delhi around 20% of households are yet to be linked to the water grid,and remain at the water mafias mercy irrespective of whether tariffs go up or down.Tackling leakages and improving infrastructure is much tougher than doling out sops.But this is exactly the kind of improvement that voters expect from a party thats ridden to power by decrying Congresss in-thename-of-the-poor policies as being in bad faith.

    AAP aims to go national.Power shortages across the country are costing growth,jobs,social advancement.Its well and good to audit discoms accounts,but pending that review AAP should focus on plans to improve supply and competition.Think big instead of echoing bad ideas.The biggest mistake UPA-II made was to misread the mandate of 2009.AAP mustnt repeat that mistake,especially when recent assembly election results have made it clear that people are no longer in thrall to populism,but demand better leadership and governance instead.

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    Kejriwal has shown dynamism by 'fulfilling' his major promises to the people of Delhi in just about four days of taking charge.

    However, has he?

    Everyone loves policies that reduces the burden on the people.

    However, people are also aware that subsidised relief in the long run is actually at the cost of development and ensuring implementation of other social needs through legitimate means.

    The free water and cut of 50@ cost of electricity is welcomed, but it it is at the cost of subsidising the 'relief' through the exchequer, then it smacks of populism that the UPA is legend about, and in the long run detrimental to the well being of the city and its governance.

    The euphoria generated by the 'Kjeriwal phenomenon' that the AAP heralds a 'new dawn' may initially cloud the reality from the citizens of Delhi or even the Nation, but as time goes by, it will be realised that this so called dynamism is nothing but the Congress policy of subsidy populism that has always been in vogue and which has brought the Nation to its knees and the sorry state.

    Let us just look at the free water policy and see if it a truism or a populist fudge.

    The Delhi Jal Board in 2012-13 profit was Rs 466 crore, and this is where the cost of providing free water would come from is being stated. But it must be remembered that these are the very profits which should be used to enhance and modernise the water distribution system so as to reach the out 20 per cent of Delhi households, around 7 lakh, who do not have any piped water connection.

    It is also felt that the top 60 per cent of households should pay a higher rate of the water consumed in order to finance the water consumption of the bottom 40 per cent. But is that fair? Is it a crime to be better off than others in this country and is it a matter of National Pride to remain poor? Warped logic at best!

    Delhi is not only a specific area. There are localities without a pipeline, households without a tap, households without a meter, households with defective meters and they would not be entitled to the any subsidy. Also, the households in the NDMC area, particularly of those lesser paid employees, households in Delhi Cantonment area are all who have been kept out of the water subsidy

    And the voted in the Election, therefore why should they also not have a cut of the bonanza?

    Delhi has about 18 lakh water connections. Of these 8.5 lakh have functional meters. About 5 lakh meters are non functional or defective. The rest are un-metered. A very large number of jhuggis in Delhi have no water connection and are not covered by the free water scheme. They are reliant only on tankers. A very large number of unauthorized colonies have no pipelines and are yet to be covered by laying of water pipelines.

    In short. Delhi thus gets divided into four categories. The first is those who have no taps or pipeline connections. They are outside the scheme. Those with defective or no meters would also be outside the scheme and paying for water. It is only those with functional meters and consuming below 20 kilo litres per month who get the benefit. The others with functional meters who consume above 20 kilo litres would pay 10% extra,

    Therefore, it appears that this policy has not been thought over and is merely a political and populist fudge.
     
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    Re: Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of U

    Why AAP’s free water promise in Delhi is careless populism

    Delhi has a serious water problem. But the problem is not that consumers pay too much for water. It's the fact that consumers receive too little of a vital resource, not more than two hours a day even in the most affluent parts of the city. It's an issue serious enough to dominate an election campaign. A pity then that the Aam Aadmi Party opted for the administratively easy (but fiscally tough or should one say irresponsible?) option of offering to reduce water tariffs rather than the administratively harder (and fiscally easier) offer of ensuring 24x7 water supply to all the capital's residents.

    Read more at: Why AAP’s free water promise in Delhi is careless populism | Firstpost

    For Arvind Kejriwal, keeping the promise of 700 litres of free water (it is going to be 670 litres per day) was always going to be easy. It only needed the stroke of his pen and a slight alteration in the Delhi Jal Board's water bill calculations. Fulfilling the promise of 24x7 water supply to every household in Delhi would have tested Kejriwal. For a start, it would have meant providing connections to the 7 lakh households (or 20 percent of Delhi’s households) which are not linked to the water grid. It would have also meant thinking hard about how to increase the overall water supply in Delhi. It would have meant clamping down on theft. It would have meant thinking about water conservation strategies. It would have meant finding an appropriate price for water so that people valued the water they consumed, and not wasted it. But all of that may have been too complicated for the Aam Kejriwal. Careless populism pays off in the short run in electoral politics. But in the end, nothing is free. Someone has to pay the price for free water. After all, supplying water costs money — the physical infrastructure and the human resources at the least. If not consumers, then taxpayers must foot the bill. It's a folly to argue that only the rich pay taxes. The poor do too. Everyone who buys even basic commodities or buys a basic service pays a Value Added Tax or Service Tax. Indirect taxes are not progressive (the rich don’t pay extra) and they form the revenue base of a state Government like Delhi’s. So for "free" services like water, the poor without piped connections will end up paying a subsidy for the rich. Is that a pro-aam aadmi policy? Careless populism has graver consequences. The government can only provide free services as long as it has the revenue to pay for it. At some stage, careless populism means a busting of the fisc which necessitates a rise in tax rates or a cut in government expenditure, which will eventually mean the necessary reversal of populism. Freebies are not sustainable, not in a poor country like India, not in a rich country like the UK. Make no mistake. The AAP’s Delhi water policy is careless populism. At 670 litres per household per day, the AAP government is basically giving every individual the right to consume around 170 litres of water a day free. As the economist Surjit Bhalla points out in his article in The Indian Express, that threshold is well above the per capita consumption level in Western countries like Germany and Denmark. AAP’s decision to charge consumers for the entire amount consumed should they go even one litre above 670 a month will only encourage the manipulation of water meters on a gigantic scale, rather than rationalise consumption. If the AAP had cared to look around for role model case studies in how to manage water, they would have found them right here in India. In 2012, Isher Judge Ahluwalia, who chaired a High level Government Committee on Urban Infrastructure wrote an article in The Indian Express in which she documented in some detail how the local authorities in Amravati, in Maharashtra’s Vidarbha region, had ensured 24x7 water supply to 20 percent of their 7 lakh residents (they were scaling it up at the time she wrote) in rapid time by using technology, sophisticated data gathering, restoration of piping systems and the imposition of differential tariffs depending on how much water was consumed. Amravati was following the example of Malkapur (also in Maharashtra) which had used similar methods to provide 24x7 water ti its 40,000 residents. Now, if Malkapur and Amravati can deliver 24x7 water supply to their residents why cannot the Government of Delhi? If the residents of Malkapur and Amravati are happy to pay for their water (tariffs go up as people consume more, but nobody gets it free) why won’t Delhiites who are, on average, more prosperous? Why should the Aam Aadmi Party be allowed to fritter away the Rs 446 crore profit the Delhi Jal Board made in 2012-13 in subsidies to the middle class and rich when that money would be better used connecting the 7 lakh poorest households who are not getting any water at all, and who are at the mercy of the water tanker mafia which charges them several times the multiple of the average water tariff in Delhi? The middle class euphoria over not paying water bills is clouding over the reality that the AAP is implementing a regressive policy measure, which helps the middle class more than the poor. There are better role models for water management and supply in India. AAP needs to work harder at its policies if it doesn’t want to bankrupt the capital, and then rob itself of credibility.

    Read more at: Why AAP’s free water promise in Delhi is careless populism | Firstpost
     
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    Re: Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of U

    Excellent analysis, Sir.
    @Singh Saab, gotta spar ?
     
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    Re: Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of U

    Actually, I thought Kejriwal and AAP would deliver since Kejriwal is quite detailed in his approach.

    The manner in which the Free Water Policy has been evolved is a disappointment since it is back to Subsidy Raj which does no good for development and progress.

    The water proposal does not care about the poor to ensure that they are saved from the Tanker Raj!

    It only benefits a few and not even the whole of Delhi to whom the AAP promised.

    I hate fudging.

    One must put his money where his mouth is!
     
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    Re: Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of U

    @Ray sir @TrueSpirit1 Happy New Year.

    And I think I have tried my best to answer questions on Delhi Vidhan Sabha Thread.

    If we close that thread, and maintain three threads : Delhi Vidhan Sabha closed, AAP agenda, and AAP Delhi Govt Performance it would be better.
     
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    Kejriwal should to work for nation, not for his wealth. It is point of poor political system. It should be changed.
     
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    Whatever be said about Kejriwal, it cannot be said he is in politics to enhance his wealth.
     
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    How Kejriwal has just set back power reforms by 3-5 years

    We have seen two Arvind Kejriwals so far. There is a Citizen Kejriwal, whom we all like, and there is a Populist Kejriwal, and this persona is not who the citizens of Delhi voted for. On the dimension of personal probity, there is Honest Arvind. He speaks the language of clean government and politics with the purpose of serving the people. But there is also an Arvind who seems to lack deeper honesty - an honesty that acknowledges a mistake and makes amends; an honesty which calls for telling the truth to the people, especially when this truth is not palatable or popular.

    We saw Citizen Kejriwal in full flow at last evening's Delhi assembly trust vote. I doubt anyone was left unmoved by the directness and simplicity of his speech - and the TV channels were quick to contrast this Kejriwal with the Congress' and BJP's double-speak on corruption. But even before the appearance of Citizen Kejriwal, we saw Populist Kejriwal announcing measures to give free water to the privileged, and not-yet-warranted cuts in power bills. And we even saw him justifying these actions during the trust vote when he said he saw nothing wrong in a free water scheme that may benefit only 400,000 or even 200,000 people. So what's wrong with that, he asked us, even as we were being bowled over by Citizen Kejriwal.

    The Aam Aadmi Party's (AAP’s) supporters in the media used these bad decisions to laud Kejriwal for keeping his promises. During a honeymoon period, even warts look like beauty spots to lovers. But should we not stop to ask: which politician does not keep his freebie promises?

    The rational counter to the assumption that keeping a promise is always a good thing is this: promises that should never have been made are worth wriggling out of. And promises that only involve handing out taxpayers' money to voters are not as important as delivering great governance and making fundamental long-term changes that will make our polity less corrupt and venal.

    How many media people would applaud the BJP if it came to power and decided building in temple in Ayodhya is its top priority – after all it has been making this promise in manifesto after manifesto? Would they laud the fact that the BJP is trying to keep its promise? This is where Kejriwal’s apparent honesty is at variance with a deeper form of honesty that all politicians lack.

    If you have made a rash or dubious promise, real honesty requires you to recant and apologise, not go ahead with ideas that almost the entire media has criticised. To be sure, some media commentators have even seen virtue in giving free water or cheaper electricity (clean water can reduce water-borne diseases, and cheaper power will enable the poor to be more productive, etc).

    A related argument is that by capping the amount of water given free, Kejriwal is actually enabling water conservation. Neither argument holds water. These are, in fact, post-facto excuses invented to justify freebies. Giving anything free leads to wastage and corruption. If you want to conserve water, the best way to do so is to lower the threshold for free water, and have a progressive pricing system that penalises people who use more water. Thus, if you use 200 litres, the price is X, if you use 300, the price is X + 10 percent, and so on.

    As RK Pachauri, Director of The Energy Research Institute, noted in The Times of India today (3 January 2014): “If something is given free, it will never be used efficiently. Give the poor cash transfer subsidy to reduce their burden but give incentives to use water more efficiently. Energy, food and water are closely linked — you cannot address one without looking at the other.” He also points out that Gujarat had a better answer, especially in agriculture, where 80 percent of our water is used. “Drip irrigation could prevent a great deal of water lost in evaporation. Gujarat CM Narendra Modi set a good example by covering canals with photovoltaic panels that double up as water savers and power generators. They free land that would otherwise have been occupied by solar panels.”

    As for the decision to lower power tariffs for those consuming less than 400 units a month, this single action of Kejriwal has probably set back the Indian power sector by at least another half-decade. For two reasons: it was wrong of Kejriwal to presume that Delhi’s power distribution companies (discoms) were cooking their books even while an audit was being initiated. The right time to cut tariffs, assuming all his election-eve allegations against the discoms turn out to be true, is after the audits are in. By cutting rates on arrival in the CM's office, Kejriwal has essentially prejudged the issue. The other reason is simpler: India’s power sector is bleeding profusely. It has accumulated losses exceeding Rs 2,50,000 crore and even today its annual losses exceed Rs 25,000 crore.

    And this is after more than 17 discoms hiked tariffs by huge amounts in 2012. A Credit Suisse report suggests that if state electricity boards (SEBs) keep raising tariffs by 10 percent every year for the next three years, they will just about break even. In this context, it is more than likely that the so-called profiteering by Delhi’s three discoms is partly mythical – even though it may also be true that they are gold-plating their investments to claim higher returns (returns in the power sector are given based on the amounts invested, hence there is an in-built incentive to claim higher investments). The right corrective for this tendency is to change the pricing policy to reflect not claimed investments, but through a system of competitive tariff-based bidding linked to fuel prices.

    Already, there are calls in Maharashtra to cut power tariffs, and in the run-up to the 2014 elections, Haryana has already announced rebates in tariffs. Haryana is where AAP plans to make its next big foray, and the political message that’s come from Kejriwal’s dubious moves is that power tariff cuts are vote-winners. If this idea catches on, India’s (already weak) power sector reforms are DOA – dead on arrival. Clearly, not only is AAP setting a bad trend, it also seems unaware of the reason why people are seeking to join the party today. If former Infosys CFO V Balakrishnan has joined AAP, it is because of the attraction of Citizen Kejriwal, not Populist Kejriwal who offers free water or cheap power. The children and wealth-creators of post-reform India – from the IT wizards of Bangalore to the finance whizkids of Mumbai – are not attracted by Kejriwal’s anti-reform agendas in the power and water sectors. Nor would it be the case with slum-dwellers, who already pay for water and electricity.

    To be sure, one can be charitable to Kejriwal. It is quite possible that he made the two rash promises on water and power when he did not believe he was a serious contender for power. Now that he is, he needs to become more honest and less populist. If the Delhi audit truly shows up the power companies as crooked, they should be hauled up and made to pay for it. If their accounts are by and large kosher, Kejriwal should apologize and reverse the cuts. If the report is somewhere in the middle, Kejriwal needs to opt for reforms that make it less possible for power companies to cook their books. In all cases, there is no need for subsidies from the exchequer.

    Citizen Kejriwal and Populist Kejriwal cannot attract the best and the brightest till the two are aligned. The Kejriwal we saw during the trust vote has to hold back the real dishonesty of the Populist Kejriwal who can't wait to offer his freebie to the electorate.


    @Singh @sayareakd @happy @rugved @Apollyon Please read the bolded part, especially the RED part.

    @Ray Sir Your opinion stands vindicated by topmost expert.
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    @TrueSpirit1 ofcourse anything free would be abused. But remember in Delhi it is virtually scam (both water and electricity). If BJP polices are so good then they would have got majority but they didnt that means people dont have full faith in them.

    Let see if BJP PM candidate get trust of people of India and they give him 272+ seats or not.
     
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    That was not my intention.

    I am all for good resolute leadership - a phenomenon that has eluded India for such a long time.

    At one stage, India was the toast of the developed nation, and while they crumbled under the global recession, India stood tall and the PM and Chidambaram (at different times) that India's economic policies were intrinsically so sound that it can beat any global financial melt down.

    And then, we came crumbling down like the wall of Jericho. Inflation, foreign capital moving out, Indian entrepreneurs leaving India for pastures abroad, every neighbouring country making a monkey out of India, our soldiers killed and butchered with impunity by Pakistan and our Govt impotently and pathetically bleating like a Ramzan goat taken for slaughter!

    Hardly an environment to instil national pride.

    India is not a weak country nor is it devoid of scientific skills, economic wizards or commerce and industrial entrepreneurship.

    All it requires is a LEADER.

    Kejriwal excited the hope that an honest and dynamic leader has emerged on the horizon.

    But he, at least to me, is disappointing.

    There maybe method in his manner of going to the people for every or other decision, but having worked in an organisation where leadership is paramount, such a method does not appear, at least to me, sound leadership.

    He, with the help of the Congress Party is the Chief Minister and hence the Leading luminary of Delhi's governance. That he won in the very first year of existence, speaks volumes of the faith of the people of Delhi in him and his policies.

    It is, therefore, essential for him to have faith in the people of Delhi that they have faith in him.

    Hence, he should capitalise on that faith and govern and not have bouts of doubt wherein he has to return to the people for every other decision, including some very petty and mundane, he has to make.

    If he is that worrisome about projecting that he is an am admi, then he should consult his party and take a decision and not appear to be playing to the gallery of wanting the 'people of Dellhi' into the loop for every decision he has to make, including petty stuff as to where he should live and how big that should be.

    Just my view!

    All I want is a government that can return the pride to be an Indian without any religious encumberabnce and a government that is indeed secular which treats all Indians at par.
     
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    by that logic,no one get clear mandate.
    No single party can get 272 .
     
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    It does appear that 272 is a mirage!

    I wonder what will really happen and who shall emerge the winner and how much of horse trading will take place.
     
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    No, please have one dedicated thread on AAP.So there's continuity in the discussion. Hence please merge this thread into AAP agenda thread.

    So Singh, have only one thread for AAP.

    Currently my suggestion to kejriwal is, now that he has won the trust vote. It's ok and certainly not a crime if he travels in official transport, occupies official residence. He need not make a "show" always of he being an aam only. He need not go after symbolism only but instead concentrate on providing a good administration within dilli. This would serve him, his party much better than all this plain symbolism. And one more thing, let AAP remember that they have to provide admin for 5 years and not just few months.

    WRT to populism, it would help AAP if it realizes that though it might give you a good opening it will not help for a long innings stint. Unfortunately the country has a long record of various populist schemes but a dismal track record of such schemes. As seen, many idealist schemes on paper have not been effective on ground. The way to stop corruption in water N electricity boards is not and should not be via populism highway.

    The results of the recently held elections are mixed bag. It seems that rajasthan rejected a govt which had doled out and had promised many more doles. But MP, CG re-elected govt which also had their own share of doles. But maybe what helped MP, CG govt's was not just populism but also admin capacity of the incumbents to deliver on admin front. And in dilli, we now have a govt that is as of now more on symbolism and populism
     
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    aap is going to prevent bjp from winning as all anti congress votes will split now,congress will get 60 +
     
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    Would like to just comment on this particular point which you have made.

    You are absolutely correct in pointing out the good economic stability brought into our country by Chidambaram and Dr. Singh. However, the only reason as to why there was inflation was solely due to one reason----corruption. Had the activities of people such as Raja, Kalmadi, Bansal, Virbhadra Singh and Chavan not been allowed to take place, we would have been at par, if not surpassed China's economy by now.
     
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    our Consti says, MPs of the largest party will elect one of them as PM. In this case BJP with utter disregard to Consti and it seems Congress is following the same stupid policy, has claim PM post. If public dont give them 272 that means people of India dont want them to be PM.
     
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    Re: Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of U

    There has been minority Govts in India before.

    They have been propped up by 'outside support'.

    The latest is Kejriwal and AAP.

    As they are supported by the Congress and has a majority, they cannot be denied in forming the Govt or so I understand.

    Likewise, if the Congress with all the other parties of India stand opposed to the BJP (even if the BJP may get the maximum seats, but not enough to form a govt) and can cobble up a majority, the Congress then can form the Govt.
     
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    outside support is different thing, here he goes to people of India saying make me PM or i am PM candidate, if people reject it then can be become PM ?
    May be BJP can form govt with outside support, with some different person as PM, as people has not given mandate for Modi to be PM.

    declaring him candidate was major mistake.
     
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    You contention is a moral question.

    But when has morality been equated with political expediency?

    Raanath Singh will say that BJP has the maximum numbers with their backers in the coalition and so our nominee is Modi and then take the lame excuse of the Congress - it is all about Coalition dharma (whatever that means!)

    Given the pathetic leadership of Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi in the remote control mode that has made a monkey out of India domestically and internationally, I think that it was master stroke to project Modi - who at least is known for his leadership, notwithstanding the perception built against him!

    Indians do have some pride and given the leaders in this country, Modi does appear resolute and not afraid to weather and ride storms.

    If the BJP had announced Advani as their leader, they would come a cropper again, as they have done repeatedly.

    Have they any other leader?

    Now, if the Congress announces that Rahul G is to be a PM candidate, how many will repose their confidence in him?

    Kejriwal is the dark horse, but he seems to be dithering and adopting the mould of Manmohan Singh - honest, but caught between the devil and the deep sea. Kajriwal is caught by the albatross around his neck called the am admi.

    He is forced to watch his back whether he is living up to his image as the am admi, resulting in appearing to be in doubt and dithering!

    for instance what is the big deal in having two flats as his residence?

    The police SPs in rural areas have their residence and doubles it up also as their offices.

    Or he should have walked into the Delhi CM's official residence and one could hardly have faulted him as one cannot fault him in occupying Sheila Dixit's luxurious and well appointed office.

    Or do the Delhiwallahs expect him to have an office in the JJ Colony so that he appears to be a real aam admi?

    Cosmetic appearance is what is the bane of this country.

    We are always playing to the gallery!
     
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  21. sayareakd

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    Re: Kejriwal must remember his mandate is for change,not a repeat of U

    this is not moral question this is what he has gone to people for.

    Please understand the Consti where it says that elected members will elect leader among themselves.

    Lets say worse case situation (hypothetical) Modi is not elected to Parliament can be made PM them ?
     

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