Kayani's Gamble

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    Kayani’s gamble


    The complete Article can be read here : KayaniÂ’s gamble
     
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    Link not working for full article.
     
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    Yusuf this is the cover story in The Week magazine Dt. 3rd July.

    I am giving the link again KayaniÂ’s gamble
     
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    Pakistan's problem is near TOTAL radicalisation .

    The decades of nurturing the Global jihadis for various "projects " Afghanistan and India and Kashmir etc ;means that today millions of Pakistanis are believers of an extremist ideology

    Not only are they hate All non Muslims but the Wahabi- Deobandi - Barelvi- Shia , all these deep rooted sectarian conflicts have suddenly exploded and come out in the open

    General Kayani How many Millions will you kill ?
     
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    Violence in Pakistan is multi dimensional in nature

    The terrorist attacks by TTP and the sectarian conflicts are just one conflict .

    Then there is inter provincial conflicts which is economic and about political power

    Punjabi , sindhi, Balooch, Mohajir , Pashtun , they all hate each other .

    All the rich and power groups ie military , bureaucracy ,landlords , politicians, businessmen are just busy holding on to their turfs and safeguarding their interests

    The total economic collapse means that people are left to fend for themselves

    So that explains the rising crime and lawlessness
     
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    for some reason the link was not opening on my iphone..its fine on a desktop.

    There are many things in the article.
    1) Kayani is fighting militants.
    2) He has removed many troops from Indian border
    3) He is facing shortage of officers
    4) Cadre count is getting lower and morale thin
    5) he is scared of cold start
    6) He has reduced the nuke threshold.

    1) If he is actually fighting militants, who are they and whats their allegiance? How was Bin Laden not found for so long and that too in Abbotabad. Why is the Haqqani group alive and kicking. So is it just a show of action while not doing anything to preserve future strategic depth? If so, he is wasting his men, while not necessary any money as he gets fat cheques from the US far greater than what he actually spends. So there is a motive to have a "showcase war".

    2) He may have removed troops from Indian border, but thats because of the good faith that he has in Indian polity. But he should not worry too much as he has trained militants to fill in. We just have news about 14,000 militants as reserve. Now that is coming out from one militant in the know of this reserve. We dont know how many more are there.

    3) Shortfall in officers is a problem with india as well. But for me the problem is that those leaving the PA actually sign up with terrorists. There are enough evidences of retired officers and terror network with the blessings of the PA. So the shortfall is in the conventional sphere, not unconventional war that Pak want to fight India with.

    4) Cadre morale thin and numbers depleting.. Bad news, they may be signing up with terrorists.

    5) Scared of cold start he should be as all these years he has been training groups for unconventional war. in fact his predecessor tried and failed in Kargil. Now he is feeling the pinch.

    6) Lowering of nuke threshold, as i always say, Pak nuke threat is a bluff.
     
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    The article is hinting or rather putting it very clearly that the GOI has opened channels of communication directly with Gen Kayani, that is very interesting.
     
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    Trash from a blog.
     
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    how do you know ??? PN
     
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    So has Kayani pulled out the troops or not? From the Indian border that is!
     
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    your avatar tell us why you come to that conclusion every time. :D
     
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    Nope....... No such movement has been seen.
     
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    How would you know- it's been acknowledged even from the Indian side. There is no gain for the indians to lie about it- infact it forces the Indian side to acknowledge a draw down thereby leaving India to reciprocate with its own draw down.

    I have found you to be always a one liner propaganda machine- you usually throw your customary CIA/ RAW/MOSSAD theories to every inaction and stupidity of your army and ISI or denials to any credible reporting about Pakistan's screwup's
     
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    There are lot of indications on this regard. The PA leadership needs a breather and they are willing to go out of their way to reach out to their Indian counterparts. Also they must be getting pressured from the US not to mention other traditional allies like China and the Saudis to focus on cleaning up the mess rather than obsess about India.
     
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    This is something that Pakistan has not realised or chose to ignore that as long as American troops are in the AF-Pak region India will commence any unilateral action across the border. This is the reality and the Us has been working hard on it.

    Also the US presence in the region has resulted in extreme pressure on Pakistan and we can see post 26/11 the number of incursions across the border have reduced dramatically.
     
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    If no movement has been seen, then your general is lying to the Americans about shifting troops from east to west to fight the terrorists.
    May be some of those hired "reserve" that you have are probably "fighting" in the west to milk the US.
     
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    There is no news abt COAS talking abt troop withdrawl... we already have 1.5 lac soldiers and 1.5 lac FC troopers fighting in FATA!
     
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    According to the article in the week following forces are deployed by PA for its so called anti (Tribal) terrorist Wars :
    XI Corps - Peshawar (Op Rah e Nizat)
    7 Infantry Divisin
    9Infantry Division
    2 SSG Battalions
    Two Infantry Brigade from down South
    XII Corps
    Two Infantry Brigaes
    For Al Mizan (South Vaziristan)
    Eight Infantry Brigade HQs
    20 Infantry Battalions
    Eight Enginner Battalions
    One SSG group
    Two Signals Battalions
    38 FC Wings

    Op Sherdil (Qia ka Dil?) (Bazuar)
    Brigade HQ
    Four Infantry Battalions
    Seven FC Corps Wings
    Op ZALZALA
    14 Infantry Division from Multan

    Op Rah e Rast ( Jo Huwa Past and is in Rust) (Swat)
    19 Infnatry Division of Mangla X Corps

    Accretion
    More troops from Mangla (17 Division),I Corps and troops from Multan II Corps
    One Brigade each from XXX Corps, Gajjaranwala and Bahawalpur XXXI Corps.

    Total
    Four infantry divisions
    17 infantry brigades
    54 infantry units
    two SSG groups
    One special Task Force
    58 FC wings

    This is one third strenghth of Pak Army thrown North of Indus to beat up the Afghans, Pathans, Hazaras and tribal

    Is history repeating itself !!
     
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    Ur first post n full of hatred n nonsense
    ....... hazaras?pashtuns?tribals? wtf... lol Those 58 FC wings r composed of tribal pashtuns, hazaras are anti taliban and dont live in FATA but in baluchistan(remember Gen Musa Khan) afghans terrorist yes! Also around 40% army consists of Pashtuns while a 2 Pashtu speaking generals are conducting the Ops there...
     
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    Oh very strange ! so there is nothing called Hazara in Pakistan ?

    So what is it?

    Hazara (Hindko: هزاره, Urdu: ہزارہ) is a region of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. It comprises six districts: Abbottabad District, Battagram District, Haripur District, Kohistan District, Mansehra District and now, since 28 January 2011, the new Tor Ghar District.

    You do not know your country so learn from me.

    And I only quoted facts as published a Weekly?

    Why are you pertubed ?
    Do not you know tha All Pathans (of verious hues and tribes) are up in Arms against the Pakjabies and the others? They will slaughter you all>

    I pray to Allaha that one day you might have to ask Indian Army to help you out to save you from the fury of Pathans.

    By the way you are already under fire even if Kayani has all Pushto or Baluchi Genenerals !

    That is my personal observation and there is no place for hatred there.

    History will repeat so to say and I think it is repeating under modern circumstances. Pakistan will be agains under Durranies and Abdalies (may be TTP or Talibans), even if temporarily, for a hundered or two hundred years.

    Save yourself from that, rather than praying for "Nizame Mustafa".If Mustafa comes from the FATA you will have a bad time... you all know it. It will be fata and fatta..
     

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