Kaveri Engine

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  1. Willy2

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    If wests honest help we could have reach further. We have a anti-national gaddar govt for 10 years ,these factor along with mentality of indian poisoned by communist/liberal/left + colonist left the marks , but against all odds we are still fighting .As u said and point out many issues , our engineer and scientist working even in those poor facilities and delivering stuff , they are't dumb...consulting from those who have achieve it don't make u inferior , We have a so charismatic govt now that those who once leave home are now interested to return .
    And for few month as we can see OFB/DRDO start delivering in unexpected rate breaking the stereotype normal indian have towards them , I am really positive about our future .
     
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    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    If my memory is right, just couple of month ago, American military decided to spend 260 million dollars on testing of the new generation engine. 260 million dollars for testing only. That tells us how costly an engine development is.

    Don't you think you contradict yourselves? The whole Kaveri project didn't receive that much money but suddenly people just find 1 billion dollars to hire French to fix the problems Indian scientists already know how to fix? Either your scientists don't know where the problems are and how to fix them, or Kaveri got plenty budget to get foreign help.
     
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    TPFscopes Rest in Peace Senior Member

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    Please move to http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/kaveri-engine.5097/ for further discussion..

    By the way, GTRE planned 59.6 million USD as development cost for Kaveri-GTX but they already invested more than 10 times of planned, before Safran attachment.
     
  4. Sancho

    Sancho Regular Member

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    @Kshithij

    The journey of the Kaveri Snecma/Safran development:

    http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...e-delinked-from-the-Tejas/article15311521.ece

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    http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...h-offer-for-Kaveri-engine/article15368364.ece

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    http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...offer-on-engine-for-Tejas/article16587219.ece

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    https://www.oneindia.com/amphtml/be...roject-gtre-gets-revival-package-1565505.html

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    https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...t-engine-project/amp_articleshow/53036894.cms

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    http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/English/Public/dpi/articles/secretary-interview-27022017.pdf

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    https://m.economictimes.com/default_pwa.cms?article=57145730

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    http://www.forceindia.net.in/FullThrottle_June2017.aspx


    Notes

    - The joint development was initially rejected, because of doubts on thrust of the engine and the industrial interests of India
    - Kaveri engine was scrapped in 2015, before the Rafale deal. While DRDO was asked in 2016, during the offset negotiations, in which fields they would like to see offsets being diverted
    - Safran (and not the Indian government, or IAF) offered to revive the engine, as part of the Rafale offsets and as confirmed by their CEO and DM Parrikar, wants to use the M88 core technology as the base, as planned in the initial offer as well
     
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  5. Kshithij

    Kshithij DharmaYoddha Senior Member

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    Kaveri engine was never scrapped.

    'Snecma will study the engine and work on its modifications, certify and fit it on the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas. We should be able to fly one of the LCA’s with Kaveri engine at least after two years...'


    “We are discussing all possibilities,” said Andries, adding in the same breath that, “Another starting point for development of a new engine could be the M-88 which powers Rafale fighter aircraft.”

    These are the points you failed to note. If it was scrapped, how can all possibilities be tried?

    Scrapping a project is a big thing. If that was the case, GTRE must have been dissolved. Also, how is Kaveri engine being made with French help if it is scrapped? The meaning of scrapping is that it is no longer being pursued. Also note that this is a oneindia exclusive. Bo one else reported it. What reputation does oneindia have?

    Here is 2012 article - another media hitjob

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/india-scraps-domestic-jet-engine-plan.18939/

    CONCLUSIONS -
    Kaveri was never scrapped. Kaveri is being developed with French help by both means - consultancy as well as Snecma core. UPA deliberately delayed it by not giving Test Bed to test engine while fine tuning. It is extremely important to fine tune engine development by repeated testing.
     
  6. Sancho

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    Read the article, confirmed by the DRDO Chief himself!

    All possibilities means, if they can go on at the point where DRDO stopped, or if they go on with the Safran plan with the M88 core.
    Btw there was an interview with the DRDO Chief from August, where he confirms that the M88 core will be used, but that around 60% of the engine will be made in India. But I only saw quotes of that article, since I'm not a subscriber of forceindia.net, that's why I didn't added it, but Parrikar and the Safran CEO already confirmed the plans with the foreign core anyway.
     
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    Kshithij DharmaYoddha Senior Member

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    That is from August 2010. But that did not go through. India has been negotiating since 2008 with France.

    So, as of 2015-6, GTRE had been continuing to develop Kaveri. UPA caused problems by cutting funds, getting the chief arrested etc.

    As of now, there is last mile problems which needs to be rectified. As stated, Snecma will give consultation, test bed and certification
     
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    Can someone confirm this.

    Reports are coming Kaveri Engine is up again and now running Smoothly without any screeching problem.

    And also whether this is completely indigenous effort by DRDO GTRE combine or Snecma rectified it with M-88 core...............

    Things are looking positive and they are trying to ready Kaveri for LCA by 2019.
     
  9. Steven Rogers

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    Source....

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  10. darshan978

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    Bharat rakshak?...............
     
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  11. patriots

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    ya bharat rakshak ..

    but dont know whether its running with foreign help or
     
  12. patriots

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    ya bharat rakshak ..

    but dont know whether its running with foreign help or

    hope for good news
     
  13. darshan978

    darshan978 Regular Member

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    Most probably with safran's help....
     
  14. Steven Rogers

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    Did the investment flew in the project or a guess.

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  15. Steven Rogers

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    Didn't find anything such on BRF

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  16. Kshithij

    Kshithij DharmaYoddha Senior Member

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    France had said that 75% of Kaveri is complete. This meant that Kaveri, by itself was flyable engine. I guess, it was lack of altitude testing bed due to Congress policies that the scientists weren't able to fine tune the engine. Fine tuning requires repeated testing on a daily/weekly basis. Sending it once or twice to in a year to Russia is never sufficient
     
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    It seems that @lcafanboy himself is asking for all members for any confirmation on the rumor he shared...
     
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    75% complete.
    Shouldn't it be more?
    Source please.
     
  19. Kshithij

    Kshithij DharmaYoddha Senior Member

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    Before taking french help, it was 75% complete, in 2015-16, which meant that the core was fine. Last mile issues of fine tuning was left. France agreed for consultancy only after this check was done.
     
  20. darshan978

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    Who knows!!! we are hearing this safran's help from year 2015-16 they must have help just a guess....
     

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