Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for anthem

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  1. ashdoc

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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    The article says that:

    In was an embarrassing moment for the Kashmir University as students and some faculty members of its Law Department did not stand when the national anthem was played today on the arrival of Chief Justice of India Altamas Kabir.

    Ironically, the students designated as stewards at the function signalled the students to sit down when some of them rose as the anthem was being played.

    Clearly, they were trying to pass on a message: We do not care about the Indian State. We have no connection, whatsoever, with it.

    So, the feeling of alienation, fissiparous tendencies & subversive/secessionist agenda still finds enough takers among educated youth of the valley, even today.

    Would like to hear what DFI posters have to say, before I shoot off.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    Kashmir can never truly become a part of India till the time Article 370 is not repelled and there is a homogeneity of the Indian state installed there.

     
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    Agree with @arnabmit here. Repealing Art. 370 and flooding Kashmir including it's colleges with students from all over India will do wonders. Hell, peer pressure would be enough to stop these incidents.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    Can't agree with you more, universities have been a breeding ground of a feeling of " I am more enlightened" and different from the rest of population which they feel are cattle class who don't have independent opinion on critical issues.

    We have had analogous situations in JNU and Jamia Milia Islamia university , where they have acted in a sense which is non-acceptable to common man and bordering contempt of some or the other provisions of statutory provisions of pillars of Indian democracy or any agency mandated to protect the same.

    There has been many individual incidents of not giving respect to Indian National Anthem.
    But, this collective act needs to be condemned.

    But, also as discussed in another thread, about playing national anthem in cinema halls, Indian govt. wants the National anthem to be closer to the hearts of citizens and to be played at any gathering formal or informal.
    So, more than looking at the contempt part, we should look at the practical application.
    I envision a day where a shopkeeper opens his shop early morning and plays the national anthem.

    Also, its more a civility to stand and respect any national anthem, be it yours or any other country's.

    Coming back to this incident, I would like to overlook what the student's did but to put a message across would like to put forward a token punishment for the staff as
    being employed they have no liberty to engage in such activities.

    As, of today National Anthem stands as the representation of India and any disrespect to it should be condemned and no politics be played over it.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    There is nothing shocking or new about this anyway.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    Those separatist "Kashmiris" can leave Kashmir and live happily in the safest paradise for Muslims called Pakistan which is a super developed country.
     
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    Tolerant ^ Secularism exposed in the above post :facepalm:
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    Personaly i would stand up for any nation's anthem for respect!
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    And they Indicate what?
    Kashmiris want freedom! -closed-
     
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    rather chuck out those that didn't stand.
     
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    deport them to packland !
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    It means there are a few paid agents. Some who stood up were asked to sit down. How many among all preserver stood and how's my didn't?

    Biggest respect for the constitution are those huge percentage who came out and voted.

    Like it or not, Kashmir was is and will remain Indias and what's illegally occupied is also ours and one day will come back to our control, Inshallah!!!!
     
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    Why these scoundrels be even given access to universities. Let them study in Madrassa run by Pakistani money. Thinking they will turn any better after high quality education is a myth. They will remain what they are and eventually they all will be culled for what they have been itching for since last 2-3 decades.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    Let us say a thank you to article 370, which allows them to have a Kashmiri flag flying right next to the Indian flag at their secretariat, something a Kashmiri will proudly point out to you, also if someone employed by the GoI goes on an official visit, including the CJI, the car carrying the concerned dignitary must also have the Kashmiri flag placed right next to the Indian flag, says a lot if you look at it.

    Anyways, it is Srinagar in question, not Kashmir as a whole. Srinagar has a separatist industry heavily funded from overseas sources and their main idea now is not to as much hit the streets, as that hampers the tourist inflow, but to do acts which make headlines, and this being one such incident.

    If you look at Kashmir on the whole, there are enough who are pro India, opinion deeply divided. Keep Srinagar aside, and their opinion of Pakistan has only grown negative, hate is the word they use for them, and they have developed an understanding that after trying everything possible right from war to jihad to street protests to friday sermons to emotional blackmails they can't separate themselves from the Indian union.

    These small time things will keep happening on and off, shouldn't hassle us much. Kashmir is firmly in India's grip, few there are enjoying paradise thanks to overseas funding, rest as a result are facing a hell that they want to get out of but a few are not allowing it to happen.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    Let us revoke article 370, then treat traitors with Indian way.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    For years, in forum, our india friends have been trying to teach Chinese members how to respect Tibetans' right of self-decision. Maybe it is time for indians to set up an good example for Chinese: holding an referendum in Kashmir and let the people there to decide if they want to be a part of india.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    We are always ready for referendum.
    But the referendum has to be under the guidelines of UN.
    Now, some specific conditions have to be met for referendum to take place as specified by UN.
    Some actions need to be taken by both India and Pakistan for the referendum to take place.

    Now, why don't you set a 'good example' by telling your friend Pakistan to meet those conditions laid down by UN, so that referendum takes place.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    These incidents are by themselves meaningless, as if India's capability or will can be eroded by outright pitiful acts.
    Sometimes I wonder if common sense eludes the separatists.

    The only consequence these incidents are generating is nationwide outrage. The tactic might work when the territory is 1000s of miles away and people want their troops back home, but here even the territory is ours.

    But on a more grim note, if the such incidences pick up steam, we may have to be prepared to reshape the demographic contours of Kashmir valley.
    Everyone remembers the actions the local islamists conducted on hindus in 1989-90. Their strength lies in being the majority.

    Lets see if they have the same guts once the demography is twisted to turn them into a minority.
     
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    Re: Kashmiris show where their loyalities lie---refuse to stand for an

    personally i also liked pakistan''s non-urdu (all persian (farsi)words) national anthem.:p:p


    it is exposed in every country of the world:wave::wave::wave:
     

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