Kashmiri youth shunning violence, Pakistan: Survey

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  1. Yusuf

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    SRINAGAR: Kashmiri youths are increasingly leaning towards non-violence and also moving away from Pakistan. So says a survey by a New Delhi-based research body.

    The survey by the Institute for Research on India and International Studies (IRIIS) also holds the "historical baggage" of Jammu and Kashmir and the "presence of security forces" for the disconnect between the Kashmiri youth and the Indian state.

    But there is a significant departure from the past when the youths from Kashmir were interested in Pakistan.

    Conducted in 2011 on behalf of the Indian home ministry, the survey says the young in Kashmir spend more time listening to music and watching Hindi movies and also watching cricket.

    The survey blames three successive governments of the National Conference, Congress-Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and Congress-National Conference for showing little interest in reopening the cinema halls that got shut in the Kashmir Valley due to separatist violence in the early 1990s.

    The Kashmiri youth now prefer visiting coffee shops, parks, playgrounds, shopping centres and social functions.

    The survey refers to many recent literary events in Srinagar which the youth attended in good numbers.

    The IRIIS was formed in 2008 "with an aim for broadening the understanding of India in a globalizing World in an interdisciplinary framework".

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    This is very good development

    the Kashmiri's should know that Pakistan don't care about them , they are just Land grabber's and want to takeover Kashmir to fulfill their strategic needs

    They don't give a shit about Kashmiri's , They are responsible for Killing of thousands of Hindus and Muslims in Kashmir because of their sponsored terror Outfits

    No wonder they don't have International support on this except some Muslim Organizations
     
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    Why do they include the whole of Kashmir? Shouldn't the correct term be Kashmir Valley youths?
     
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    We are land grabbers too, land is power! Grabbing land is one thing, pillaging it is another.
     
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    Basically we refer the whole state as Kashmir ! what's in name anyway
     
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    This is what pakis say everyday. The statement is as stupid and oxymoronic like the pakis. "Kashmir ko Indian se Azad Karao, Kashmir Banega Pakistan". I mean WTF? On one hand thy talk about independent Kashmir and in the same breath it's Kashmir Banega Pakistan. People are not fools. They have over te last 50 years seen what te Pakis are upto. Assimilation of Gilgit Baltistan I think was what has turned everyone against Pak.
     
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    We do, in this particular case however it won't be apt to do so.
     
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    I Don't agree to it , we just took what was Historically ours
     
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    I guess they are increasingly getting worried about their existence now.
     
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    Historically various kings of India were always involved in expansion of their lands.
     
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    They have not yet made up their mind , :rofl:

    I Have seen Paki Internet warrior's claiming that Whole Kashmir [Including JNK , GnB and A kashmir] will be free soon and will be an Independent nation, while some other Member Pop up claiming A.Kashmir is Kashmiri Land but Gilgit and Baltistan belong to Pakistan !! Offcourse Aksai chin Belong to china - You can't be Namak halal with your daddy
     
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    Everyone is bothered about their security. That is the basis for survival. Kashmiris have voted in large numbers, various other polls have shown they have moved away from Pakistan. They know what will happen to them over there. They are more secure in India and with laws like Art 370, they are more "protected" Han other Indians. India has done everything including discriminate against other Indians to placate the Kashmiris which is not good, but it has been done.

    Last but not the least, te existence of Pakistan as a state itself is in doubt. No one likes uncertainty.
     
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    Finally some realisation
     
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    But we are not considering the scenario when Pakistan would actually collapse, will it lead to more rogue elements taking hold there?
     
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    ^^ Let any rogues take hold, as long as they are de-nuked.

    Without nukes, they will just be a bunch of bitter little men constantly fighting among themselves.
     
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    Well that is exactly the headache.
     
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    What if they are divided with nukes then....
     
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    Well it took them 20 yrs to realise that pak was using them. they will get nothing if they merge with pak. J&K is part of India will remain. in fact development in J&K is better than POK.


    People of kashmir should see at Pakistan state now, its next to a failed state.


    Today if anybody talk of terrorism everybody thinks of pak. Today even pak can not guarantee of its own existence forget they care for Kashmir
     
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    The Kashmiris are no fools.

    Who will support or desire to join a failed state?

    And on the other hand, India is ascending!
     
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    It is an interesting hypothesis to think of the fate of the nukes when Pakistan splits up (not 'if', but 'when' :taunt:).

    When the USSR split up, the member nations peacefully agreed to let Russia have control over the entire nuke infrastructure, and voluntarily gave up their nukes - either handed it to Russia, or destroyed it.

    In Pakistan's case, if the new nations (tentatively Balochistan, West Punjab (Pakjab), Pashtunistan, Mohajiristan, Sindh) decide to submit to Pakjab as the dominant entity, then we will have a case when Pakjab remains a nuke power, but greatly diminished in strength and size. It will be a landlocked rump state, and even if it has nukes, it will not be as worrying as today. The future of that new rump state itself will be a large question mark.

    However, I do not see this happening in Pakistan. There will be a severe tugging and pulling for control of the nukes. Each of those new nations will have nuke scientists who were part of the current Paki nuke project. For example, Photochor Khan might choose to be a citizen of Mohajiristan, while his deputy (forgot his name, he was a Pakjabi) might choose to settle in Pakjab.

    The manpower will be distributed across the new nations. More importantly, the equipment will also be distributed. There is always too much focus on Kahuta research labs, but that is only a small part of the whole thing.

    The key is to swoop down on the newly created nations rapidly and strike pacts. Nation like Balochistan will be amenable to a security pact with India providing a nuke umbrella. Most probably Pashtunistan and Sindh too. If India does this dextrously and quickly enough, we can seal/seize the nuke equipment in at least 2-3 of those new nations. Speed is the essence.

    Pakjab's nuke program will be destroyed, and will never recover. They can never build an arsenal from scratch again.

    Of course, it is likely that the US will jump in and try to play this role that I want India to do. Being our neighbourhood, we should try our best to get in before them and clinch it.
     
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