Kashmir solution just a signature away: Kasuri

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    Kashmir solution just a signature away: Kasuri

    LAHORE: Former foreign minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri has said the solution to the Kashmir dispute is just a signature away once India and Pakistan decide to pull the file from the rack.

    While addressing the concluding session of the two-day seminar � held as part of the ongoing Aman ki Asha campaign, launched by the Jang Group and Times of India � and later talking to The News and the Times of India here on Friday, the former foreign minister revealed the previous Musharraf government had completed almost 90 per cent of the spadework on the half-a-century old Kashmir dispute by 2007 as the whole exercise just needed the formal signature of all the three parties to the issue - Pakistan, India and representatives of Kashmir.

    �All India and Pakistan now need is to defreeze the process. The entire paper-work has been done. The copies of related documents are safe with some friendly countries as well,� said Kasuri.

    Kasuri said that negotiators from Islamabad and New Delhi had quietly toiled away for three years, talking to each other and Kashmiri representatives from the Indian side as well as Kashmiris settled overseas to reach what he described as the �only possible solution to the Kashmir issue�.

    He said the two sides had agreed to full demilitarisation of both Indian Kashmir as well as Azad Kashmir. In addition, a package of loose autonomy that stopped short of the azadi and self-governance aspirations, had been agreed on and was to be introduced on both sides of the disputed frontier. ``We agreed on a point between complete independence and autonomy,�� he said.

    He said that hardliner Sayeed Ali Shah Gilani was the only Kashmiri leader who refused to come on board. ``He would accept nothing but merger with Pakistan, which ironically is something we too wanted but knew wasn�t practical. I once had a seven-to-eight hour meeting with him and even Musharraf met him but he refused to budge,�� Kasuri said. He refused to give details of the stance other moderate Kashmiri leaders adopted.

    He said the former government had finalised the formula of giving independence to the Kashmiris like the one they had before the dispute surfaced in 1948. When Pakistan and India decided to engage the Kashmiri leadership, it made it clear the people of Kashmir would not settle for anything less than the kind of independence they had during the tenure of the maharaja before the partition. However, with the scenario changed altogether, and Pakistan and India having strategic compulsions against such an independence, the issue had to be worked out again on different lines�.

    ``Well, India and Pakistan had serious reservations over that kind of independence. So, it was decided let the Kashmiris have their homeland as desired by them, and Pakistan and India should roll a plan for gradual evacuation of the strategically important parts of the united Kashmir,�� the former foreign minister informed.

    �It was also decided both the countries would gradually withdraw their forces from Indian and Pakistani held territories of Kashmir. We decided a nominal chunk of forces would be kept back in the strategically important areas of liberated Kashmir for sometime,�� he added.

    Furthermore, Kasuri went on to say, Indian and Pakistani governments decided not to sell victories in their respective countries for avoiding a general public backlash in the other. `�It was a dicey situation in terms of political fallout of any solution back home in both the countries. If that exercise had to materialize, both the countries needed to tell their respective masses what actually had been done for breaking the status quo,�� Khursheed Kasuri said. He maintained it was very hard for making the public accept the achieved results either. So, at one point in time, it was decided to make the Line of Control (LoC) `irrelevant� so that the Kashmiris could be allowed to move freely across the Valley, using their ID cards.

    He said: �The two nuclear neighbours were quite worried about the volatile situation in the region, especially around the LoC. There were insurgencies in both the countries. The freedom struggle in Indian-held Kashmir and the growing menace of terrorism in Pakistan were becoming a cause of serious concern for the two governments by the end of 2005. The Mumbai attack worked as a catalyst for finding an immediate solution to all issues, which had the potential of sparking a full-fledged armed conflict in the subcontinent�. Kasuri further explained both the countries just couldn�t afford any Mumbai-like attack in India as it would force them to retaliate at all costs.

    He said the three-year long arduous efforts were rendered fruitless by the sudden emergence of the judiciary-executive row in 2006, which forced the Musharraf regime to put the matter on the backburner for the time being. Kasuri further revealed former president Pervez Musharraf had a possible signal from the Manmohan Singh government in early 2006 vis-�-vis formalizing the almost reached solution in August 2006. Or, if delay was inevitable, the announcement to this effect could be made by March 2007. However, Kasuri added, he suggested President Musharraf to hold the process back for a while as the political situation in Pakistan was not conducive for unveiling such a big plan, which had the popular sentiments involved to a great extent. As the media, the opposition, the people, especially the civil society and the lawyer community, resorted to opening afterburners against the former president in the aftermath of the judicial crisis, any initiative, however sincere and productive, by the government would be eyed with suspicion.

    He said to soften public opinion before making this breakthrough public, India and Pakistan decided to resolve the Sir Creek issue. Indian PM Manmohan Singh was scheduled to come to Pakistan in 2006 for signing the settlement of the Sir Creek issue. However, the Indian government postponed the meeting in view of general elections in India the same year. The Sir Creek matter was put ahead of the already agreed agenda on Kashmir with the purpose to give more credibility to Indo-Pak endeavours. ``There was a usual perception that Pakistan and India just couldn�t resolve any mutual dispute through bilateral engagements,�� said the former foreign minister.

    �By that time, Pakistan and India had already held over 15 informal meetings for chalking out a feasible plan to settle the dispute. In the latter part of the deliberations, both the countries realised the need for involving the crucial party to the conflict, the Kashmiris, in the ongoing negotiations. Apart from Indo-Pak meetings during the process, India and Pakistan held talks at various levels with the Kashmiri leadership. ``I had held covert meetings with the Kashmiri leadership even in other countries,�� Kasuri added. Meanwhile, a senior Indian official involved in the backdoor talks corroborated the statement of the former forign minister.

    Kasuri was all praise for the Jang Group of Publications and the Times of India Group. He said only the media had the guts and the credibility to take such an initiative of warming the process again, which was a whisker away from glory. ``The media can make the difference at this point in time. If more credible media groups joined the cause, wonders could be done in near future. I hope these two media giants kept the momentum up for sometime till the respective audience realised the significance of peace in the region.�� Kasuri stressed the need for frequent media people movement across the border, which, he believed, would go miles in propelling this vital campaign.


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    Nothing “out of the box” there as musharraf used to term it, since more or less majority in India has reclined to this kind of a pact but can such a deal be sold in pakistan, where people are all too emotional about the whole issue, fund terrorism in India by way of donations, and where these terrorists are idolized as heroes.

    If this were to come to fructification, in fact the only viable solution and so I term Kashmir a “non-issue”, in that case what happens to the resolution passed by the Indian parliament on a unified Kashmir under the Indian republic.

    That said such a deal can certainly not be done under any non military government in Pakistan, or they will sold as traitors by the ever powerful pa and isi, so one has to wait for the next coup to happen, but if done then what happens to the pa/isi who mainly survive with an iron fist thanks to animosity with India, and once this deal is done they might have no other as relevant anti-india plank to sell back home to justify their large and strangle hold existence.

    This will hold more relevance if musharraf was to divulge the whole deal, and the role played by the pa in getting it done, may be then a democratic setup can take it forward, otherwise it’s a wait till the next coup in Pakistan.
     
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    The information about this deal always comes from Pakistanis and never supported by claims from Indian establishment. More likely that this Kurshid guy is blabbering to stay in the news. How many times have we not heard about this time and again. I don't know why media keep meddling this BS again and again.
     
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    It's indeed a signature away for Pakistan. The Instrument of Surrender, returning POK to India.
     
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    well in india's case nothing can be bartered away in back door deal every resolution and deal has to go through parliament with 2/3rd vote.same thing happened in civil nuke deal.As pertain to kashmir first indian parliament has to deal with article 370 and the resolustion on POK as part of india passed under narashima rao's govt.Any indian govt. of the day just cant barter away kashmir in back door deal.Instead Manmohan shing govt was thinking about demilitarizing siachin on which general JJ singh fought tooth and nail when he said today if we vacate siachin what is the gurantee that pak army wont occupy it in future like they did in kargil.then it will be difficult to re-occupy it.
     
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    Not sure how credible this is unless confirmed by his Indian counterparts.

    As long as we are not talking about changing borders, I think India is fine with some extra autonomy. Of course all Kashmiri Pandits should return to their homes and all terrorist scum need to dispatched to hell.
     
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    when todays govt cant even dare to present nuke liability bill and women reservation bill in loksabha for fear of being defeated how can they present the resolution on contentious issue like kashmir which itself goes againt the spirit of indian constitution.These are the lies spread by musharraf and his Former foreign minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri.Sure there were dicussion on kashmir in the period 2005-2008 and at that time muharaff was peddeling cenab formula for settleng the dispute and even manmohan singh accepted that there were discussion and there were agreement on some issues but he never confirmed that we were close to signing off.For pakistan it seems easy issue but its not it has to go through proper channwels of parliament and constitution which in pakistan always remain in suspended animation in last 62 yrs and it was re-written 7 times.


    Pakistan's Constitution


    Moreover any pak govt. of the day never respects the treaties and resolutions signed by previous govt. case in point is the recent denial by pakistani foreign minister shah mahmood qureshi about having any knowledge about Musharraf governments deal on kashmir.

    Qureshi, Kasuri not on same page
     
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    When ever we talk of J&K its only kashmir that we talk about. What about gilgit baltistan, those are indian territories held by pakistan. Why doesnt that come up on the discussion table?
     
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    Kashmir Resolution In Indian Parliament
     
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    This guy has not farted from a long time he has done now.............
     
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    I for one strongly believe that its true. Former foreign secretary Mani Shankar Iyer too conforms with this in a recent interview to Pakistani channel. Indian establishment is too scared to reveal any kashmir developments as any compromise regarding this issue will become a huge political issue in parliament.

    India for one is better off with the current status quo position.
     
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    Mani Shanker (Ex. Indian Ambassador) Special with Najam Sethi
    Najam Sethi - Mani Shankar Aiyar video talks about ManMohan Singh and Geelani walking hand in hand to accept the Nobel piss prize. He is open about what MMS and Mushy had agreed to. It was not against the parliament resolution regarding the status of J&K, BUT CERTAINLY AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THAT RESOLUTION.One thing to note is that mani shankar iyer is the biggest peacenick in congress.He was hell bent on completeing IPI line when he was petroleum minister in last UPA govt,but had to be removed under usa pressure on iran and nuke deal.







     
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    I was referring to above conversation only. Mani Shankar is the worst thing to happen to us as foreign sec. Manmohan could hardly tacle Sharam el Sheik, forget Mr Iyer's ambitious steps. Indian people need to be prepared before such mammoth decisions get made else the govt. will be crushed under pressure.
     

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