Kashmir problem is Nehru's special gift to India: Advani

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    Kashmir problem is Nehru's special gift to India: Advani - The Economic Times

    NEW DELHI: As India and Pakistan restored peace talks over pending issues including Kashmir, veteran Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader L.K. Advani Sunday slammed the country's first political family of late prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru whose "lack of courage" led to the Kashmir issue remaining unresolved.

    In the latest entry on his blog, Shri L.K.Advani's Blog, The Journey Continues, the BJP leader also slammed late chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir Sheikh Mohammed Abdullah whose ambition to be the leader of independent Kashmir also contributed to the issue.

    Advani said neither the government of Nehru in New Delhi nor the government of Abdullah in Srinagar believed that Jammu and Kashmir needed to be fully integrated into the Indian union.

    "In the case of Abdullah, the problem was his ambition to become the unquestioned leader of a virtually independent Kashmir. In the case of Nehruji, it was a matter of lack of courage, firmness and foresight," Advani said.

    He said that Article 370, which gives a special status to Jammu and Kashmir in the Indian constitution, had "emboldened" secessionist forces in the state to carry out their "poisonous propaganda that (Kashmir's) accession to India is not final and that Kashmir, in particular, is not a part of India."

    Advani wrote that India had lost two opportunities to settle the issue once and for all with Pakistan -- one in the 1947 war when Nehru ruled the country and the other in the 1971 Bangladesh war when Nerhu's daughter Indira Gandhi was at the helm.

    "Our countrymen should know that the Kashmir problem is Nehru family's special 'gift' to the nation," he wrote in a sarcastic vein.

    "Nehruji's blunder was totally avoidable. The consequences of this 'gift' are Pakistan's export of cross-border terrorism and religious extremism, thousands of lives of our security personnel and civilians and tens of thousands of crores of rupees spent on military and paramilitary defence."

    The BJP leader's comments come days after India and Pakistani in foreign secretary level talks in Islamabad discussed a range of issues relating to peace and security, Jammu and Kashmir and the promotion of trade.

    Advani also warned against giving any autonomy to the state because "the implications must be understood"
     
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    There are other unique gifts too. Like the Tibet/China problem. Like insurgency in NE states.
     
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    Dynasty rule can also be added to that list.
     
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    Nehru with his no violence psyche has been the greatest curse to Indian national security that idiot wanted to scrap army hopefully Sardar Patel was here to put present India in shape...
     
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    Though I will strongly criticise Nehru for the Blunder of 1962 ,Kashmir cannot be blamed on Nehru.

    I read an article a few years ago by K Subramanyam which said the following and which I distinctly remember BUT I dont have links for this article

    Any way it is like this

    USA, UK were pro pakistan from the beginning . UK went so far as to say that If Pakistan is to survive ,then Kashmir must be given to pakistan ,because of Pakistani rivers flowing from kashmir

    US UK wanted Pakistan in their camp and pakistan wanted kashmir . so it was win win for both .Kashmir was the carrot shown to Pakistan by US UK

    This article by K subramanyam further said that whatever part of Kashmir we got ; that was the maximum that we would have been allowed by US- UK

    UK military commanders said that India could easily attack and conquer PA 's main Garrison town of Rawalpindi ;IF india had the whole of kashmir

    So UK didnt want that whole of kashmir should not be given to India
     
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    if mr nehru not stopped indian army to invade pok at 1948 ,the whole regeion now in our control,and the pakistany terror factory largely reduced,as many of the bases are situated in pok.
     
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    Nehru was clear about the threat posed by Pakistan . Nehru wanted Kashmir to be with India

    His stupidity was with regard to China.

    When senior Army officers pointed out the Chinese growing threats he said that " There is no threat from China .You keep an eye on Pakistan and take care of Kashmir "
     
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    I recently came across a very interesting Blog and really love the way the blogger describes Pt.Nehru.

    Though must admit that the language is a trifle rough and some of the conclusions drawn based on hind sight.

    Atanu Dey on India's Development » Blog Archive » India’s Debt to Veer Savarkar
     
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    After 15 Aug 1947, what was locus standi of UK to wish anything about Kashmir? Why should India sacrifice its interest just to uphold stability of Pakistan?

    It was his romance with Edwina that influenced his judgement.
     
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    Advani can say anything today ,but our economy and military in 1947 were a big ZERO

    Kashmir was declared a DISPUTED territory by UN after 1948 when the ceasefire was declared in 1948

    SO we could not force pakistan to give up kashmir in 1971 by holding their POWs

    Similarly in 1971 our economy was dependent on Western AID and in 1971 there were many explicit and implicit threats ie not to trouble Pakistan in the western sector

    So to say that we should have held on to 90000 prisoners of war and then forced pakistan to GIVE AWAY its share of kashmir ; it is impossible

    UN, Western countries ,OIC China would have all jumped on us .

    Even USSR wouldnt have approved such behaviour
     
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    He too bloody starry eyed idealist. Why did he halt advance of Army? Why did he agrre for a plebecite? Why a special instrument of accession, whichb paved the way for Art 370 and ills flowing from that? Was he even far sighted?

    Come on. By 1962 Army was so degraded that Pakistan army could have made a mince. In 65, India was better equipped and a strong willed PM was in saddle, who dared to take the battle to enemy.
     
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    Advani can say anything today ,but our economy and military in 1947 were a big ZERO

    Kashmir was declared a DISPUTED territory by UN after 1948 when the ceasefire was declared in 1948

    SO we could not force pakistan to give up kashmir in 1971 by holding their POWs

    Similarly in 1971 our economy was dependent on Western AID and in 1971 there were many explicit and implicit threats ie not to trouble Pakistan in the western sector

    So to say that we should have held on to 90000 prisoners of war and then forced pakistan to GIVE AWAY its share of kashmir ; it is impossible

    UN, Western countries ,OIC China would have all jumped on us .

    Even USSR wouldnt have approved such behaviour
     
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    It is not Advani speak only.

    Why was Kashmir taken to UNO, when Indian claim was clear? Edwina is the X factor.

    In 71, India's military was to mconcquer Bangla Desh, not liberation of Kashmir. On westren India was just holding its own.

    Of course you cannot hold POWs indefinitely with an international outcry. Reason why Bhutto took back territory knowing POWs have to be freed. None would have jumped on us, but outcry would be very LOUD. Plus they were eating eating India out.
     
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    Spot on,

    Nehru made a lot mistakes when it came to China, but his handling of Kashmir was very reasonable. I don't know what he could have done differently considering India's lack of strength at that time.
     
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    :bs: British then would have included Kashmir into Pakistan in 1947.


    USSR during the 1971 War was in IOR challenging the might of the US. Where do you get such paranoid information?
     
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    What bjp did to revoke this article when it was in power ?
     
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    Nehru and the Kashmir Problem

    Nehru and the Kashmir Problem

    Jawaharlal Nehru is a significant player in Indian history of the twentieth century. He along with Gandhi and Patel led the freedom movement against the British. There can be no two opinions that Nehru was an intellectual giant, as is borne out by his books and writings. Even his speech on the eve of Independence about 'India's tryst with destiny' is highly rated.

    Nehru became Prime Minister of India in 1947 and continued till his demise in 1964.This period of his reign as Prime Minister showed that he was ill suited to the game of power politics and his comprehension of the role of nations was to say the least limited. An example is the Kashmir problem that has now bedeviled the sub continent.

    Nehru was a Kashmiri and he thought he was better suited to handle the Kashmir issue. He thus took the ill fated step of dealing with this problem himself and did not allow Patel the home minister to have anything to do with it.
    When British power ended on 15 Aug 47 the states were given the option to either join India or the newly created state of Pakistan. Most states accepted this, but two states that resisted -Hyderabad and Junagadh were suitably reduced by police action under directions of Patel. Kashmir however was not under the purview of the Home mister, as Nehru wished to deal with it himself. The matters were compounded by the Maharaja of Kashmir Hari Singh, who decided he wanted to remain independent. It is difficult to imagine why Nehru did not move decisively at that time.

    Pakistan in the meantime encouraged tribal warriors from the North West to attack Kashmir. The raiders soon began an advance into the province.Gilgit was taken over and the Maharajas troops were all annihilated. Still Nehru did not wake up and waited on the advice of Mountbatten, for the instrument of accession duly signed by the Kashmir ruler. This was not forth coming and the tribal troops aided by regular Paki troops continued their advance into the valley. Every day a hamlet or township would fall to the invaders and soon the entire NE Kashmir was lost. It cannot be understood what kept Nehru from ordering the Indian Army into Kashmir at this critical juncture, when the raiders were advancing into the valley.

    The tribal's reached Baramulla and occupied it. They should have advanced further and taken Srinagar as there was hardly any opposition, but their love for sex and Kashmir women and the chance to pillage and loot halted them .They soon however continued their advance on Srinagar. Still Nehru dutifully waited for the instrument of accession. How nice it would have been if Nehru had followed the dictum 'offense is the best form of defense 'and sent in the Indian army when the tribal's had just begun their advance into Kashmir. But being naïve and having no idea of the politics of power he just waited and waited. The Pakistan aided tribal's reached Srinagar and that's the time the Maharaja panicked and signed the instrument of accession. In hind sight history will judge Nehru for his biggest blunder here. His failure to react to a fluid military situation and excessive reliance on the advice of Mountbatten resulted in vast tracts of the valley being occupied by the raiders and irretrievably lost forever. It was only when Srinagar airfield was almost occupied that the green signal was given to the Indian army to move in and a DC3 with Lt Col Rai and troops from the Sikh regiment landed in the valley.

    Nehru however was an intellectual and had no stomach for any prolonged war. The Army pushed the raiders back and in about 6 months of fighting cleared the valley of the invaders who were aided and abetted by the Pakistan army. The Indian general staff then made plans to advance into western Kashmir, but Nehru again committed a fatal blunder. He stemmed the tide of the Indian army and agreed for a cease fire and reference to the United Nations. It's difficult to understand what prompted Nehru to do this. Perhaps the facts will come out later, but there is no doubt that he was greatly influenced by Lord Mount batten and his family.

    The blunders of Nehru did not cease there, but he made another commitment that was to hang around the neck of subsequent Indian governments that followed. He promised a plebiscite in the valley at a suitable time .In a state where religion is the by word and the two nation theory accepted by the Hindu and Muslim leaders, a plebiscite can never go in India's favor.

    Nehru thus laid the seeds of a perpetual conflict. One wishes that the clock was put back and Nehru had intervened when the raiders had just entered the valley. Perhaps his mind did not accept that power politics is all about military power. Rosy ideas and philosophy cannot replace the power of a nation which rests on military might. He blundered and tied the Indian nation to a perpetual problem in Kashmir. In hind sight his listening to the advice of Mountbatten and waiting for the instrument of accession to be signed, his acceptance of a cease fire and reference to the United Nations coupled with the offer of a plebiscite, will show him forever as a man who never understood the game of power politics. History may judge Nehru harshly for these blunders.

    Article Source: Madan G Singh - EzineArticles.com Expert Author
     
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    Tryst with destiny? What should have been and what it is poles apart. OK, Indira's policies impoverishe the country. Growth simply was not possible. There was perpetual shortage of something or the other. Vanaspati, soaps, even COAL in 1974 had shortages. Could you repair your house with a call from the police: Where did you get the cement? Humble scooter had a 5-7 year wait list, but bicycles were not being produced fast enough. How were the railways and roads? Food shartages, Bihar famine in sixties.

    Then we have A. Rajas ans Marans. That is the real destiny we got into.
     
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    ^^^^^^ 1999 Data is too old and moreover, there are many Kashmiri Pandits who left India after facing horrors of Islamic barbarism and savagery in their own so called "Hindu majority" nation, and further they never got any support from fellow Indians as they were Hindus and our sold out shameless elite media din't consider them secular (read: as they were Hindus), however an incident like Godhra is still invoked a the drop of an hat by secularists where muslims live peacefully and on the other hand Kashmiris are even today refugees in their own nation. SHAME!
     
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