Kashmir movement not an Islamic campaign: Dr. SAR Geelani

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    Kashmir movement not an Islamic campaign: Dr. SAR Geelani


    Bhopal: A panel discussion on –“Kashmir Imbroglio: Need for Peace and Settlement” was organised by the Aligarh Muslim University Students’ Union, (AMUSU), at the Kennedy Auditorium in AMU premises on Tuesday (March 15).

    A Press release said that starting the discussion Dr. S. A. R. Geelani, who was falsely implicated in the case of terrorism but later released due to his non-involvement in terrorism, spoke at length on the issue of Kashmir by focusing on two major issues—disinformation campaign and human rights violations.

    He said that the Kashmir movement is not an Islamic campaign but for securing the rights of the people. It is neither against the Hindus nor against the country but for justice.

    He lamented on Indian media for giving a wrong picture of the situation and giving a communal colour. He cited various incidents in which people suffered humiliations and deaths. He said that the government is not sincere about integrating the people and urged the government to resolve the issue.

    Mr. V. V. Rao, known Maoist social activist, criticised the forces of globalisation, imperialist forces and the government for ignoring the causes of the poor, weak and the suppressed people. He said that he has a great sympathy for the people for seeking justice and democratic rights.

    Prof. Shaikh Shaukat Hussain from Kashmir gave the historical accounts of the issue. He said that Kashmir is in the midst of the nuclear powers—India, Pakistan and China and the territories of Kashmir are occupied by China and Pakistan. He said that the government should engage Pakistan and the Kashmiri leaders for resolving the issue.

    Dr. Arshi Khan, Associate Professor in the Department of Political Science at AMU, said that the constitutional framework, the nature of Indian democracy and the social composition of the country empower all of us to raise questions over the incidents of violations of human rights and the problems in Kashmir. He said that India is not only a democracy but also federal with the world’s largest constitution which necessitates our serious concerns over this issue.

    He said that secessionism is the maximalist demand of the Kashmiris while there are other moderate demands for ‘self-rule’ and autonomy for Kashmir, the release stated.

    Dr. Khan said that the Kashmir problem is the result of the violation of federalism under which the constitutional rights of the state have been violated. He talked about the problem of over-centralisation, centrist approach and encroachment over Article 370 have complicated the issue.

    He said that the Constitution of India has guaranteed the special status of Jammu and Kashmir but there have been series of legal interferences by the Union Government which usurped the autonomous character of the state.

    He said that over 260 Articles of the Constitution have been applied by the Centre which eroded the federal character in Centre’s relations with Kashmir.

    He said that the most dangerous aspect of the political culture is the rise and expansion of the fascist and Hindutva forces which have created prejudices against the Muslims resulting in ignoring the settlement of the Kashmir problem. As a result, Indian democracy has turned into majoritarian and ethno-democracy, cultural nationalism and nation-state which defy the purpose of federalism.

    He referred to the State Autonomy Committee Report of 2000 adopted by the J & K Legislative Assembly and the Justice Saghir Committee Report of 2009 over the Working Committee set up by the Prime Minister of India during the Round-table Conference which need to be addressed by the Central Government. It is good to note that the PM has recently said to have realised the grievances of the people during his recent visit to Srinagar, said the release.

    The President of the AMUSU at the end urged using wisdom for establishing peace and securing democratic rights of the people.

    Meanwhile, at the outset, the Honorary Secretary of the AMUSU Mr. Amir Qutub in his opening remarks said that the AMU has been the most important platform to raise genuine concern for peace, justice and rights not only for the Muslims but also for very weaker sections. It has always raised concerns for the Muslims all over the world wherever injustice occurred, the release added.
     
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    Kashmir not an Islamic movement..yeh yeh yeh and I jus saw someone fly past me window with an apple in their mouth
     
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    Complete and utter BS !

    India has a secular system, which we Kashmiris can under no condition accept: Syed Ali Shah Geelani

    Yup completely non-religious :rolleyes:
     
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    Lurker - Good you called the bluff off. I'm surprised by veiled support for this rat in AMU. I thought AMU was more or less a nationalist institution. Maybe there are all shades of opinion.

    Anyway, let not allow this rat's tactic of dividing India into religious lines succeed.
     
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    If so then why aren't any Shia Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs part of this "Stone Throwing" competition. Why were hundreds of thousands of Hindus driven out of Kashmir? Why don't we have "innocent kids" in Jammu and Laddakh wielding AKs and throwing stones and grenades at public places?

    Sounds like "sattar chuhe kha kar billi chali haj ko".
     
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    SAR Geelani claims that Indian forces purposely kill civilians. If they are already going to be blamed for it, than why not add his name to the ones killed? The ISI have no qualms in knocking out separatists who want to negotiate with India.
     
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    So it was the 'fascist',Hindutva forces that initially invaded the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, it was the fascist Hindutva forces that 4 decades later raped,killed thousands and thousands of Kashmiri Pandits,Buddhists,Sikhs and made Lakhs refugees in their own country, it is the fascist Hindutva forces that openly send their sons and brothers across the border to get training in weapons and come back to kill, it was the fascist Hindutva leader - another Geelani - who said his ultimate aim was to establish Nizam-e-Mustafa in Kashmir, it is a fascist Hindutva leader Asiya Andrabi who says Islamic Sharia must be established in Kashmir.

    Mr.Geelani - go make love to yourself or with your namesake in Kashmir.
     
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    SAR Geelani is the one involved in Parliament attack on Delhi and Syed Ali Shah Geelani is the one involved in terrorism in Kashmir.

    In any case to call "Kashmiri movement" not islamic s akin to saying Indian independence movement was not nonviolent. Besides rhetoric by some fringe individuals, overwhelming amount of evidence exists that so called "Kashmiri movement" aims are similar to Taliban's aim.
     
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    Yeah I got confused between the names, but kch's comment cleared it up.


    There could be a lot of bad apples there, that place did churn out some strong supporters of the Pakistan movement.
     
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    So what - they are talking about the same issue.
     
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    Yes Goal is same paths can differ like that of mahatma gandhi and azad.
     
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    And both them Geelani bellwhiffs can go stuff themselves or better yet, each other.
     
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    i wonder if everyone all over the british colonies were bellwhiffs(according to u) for they were fighting for their freedom against the mighty british emipre.
     
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    I dunno if they were bellwhiffs or not but these two surely are. Those who fought the British for freedom
    did not collect pensions or carry on working for the institutions of the state they opposed tooth and nail. They fought a peaceful campaign based on principles and ethics and not cloak and dagger. To even compare the two only reiterates an extremely stunted mental faculties.
     
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    So geelani thought ,that he rerresents pandavas,and indian state is kouravas he is living in a utopian world good luck to him and his thought
     
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    Originally, yes it was not an islamic movement. It was about Kashmiriat. The Islamic angle was brought in later on by pak and their stooges here.
     
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    Assuming we do accept that, but Kashmiriyat never found any takers in Jammu or Ladakh. Kashmiriyat wet dreams are largely confined to the valley.

    So what about these regions? Should the state be paritioned to reflect these socio-cultural boundaries?
     
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    Hint: The word is Empire. An exploitative system which enriched England and impoverished the colonies.

    Pray, if the separatist movement is about "Kashmiriyat", then why only the Muslim (and more specifically, Sunni) Kashmiris are interested? Why are the Hindus and Buddhists and minority Muslim sects not?

    Stop spewing rubbish and visit the Friday sermon in any Srinagar mosque. That will open your eyes about the grassroots ideology. This nonsense is just an attempt to give a respectable face to a movement that has religious fundamentalism at its core.
     
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    You are deliberately confusing others or you yourself are confused. :crazy:

    They are not talking about different paths. But rather the nature of the same movement.

    How can the same movement have two different characteristics at the same time ?
     

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