Kashmir defines Indian identity

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  1. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    The Hindu : Opinion / News Analysis : Kashmir defines Indian identity

    Mr.Swamy was never known for being politically correct, but I have to agree with his core idea that anything involving the dilution of Indian sovereignty over Kashmir is unworkable,untenable and will open a pandora's box of future troubles.
     
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    What is this 'letting go of Kashmir'?

    If that were so, everywhere there is protest, we should let go off that State.

    Should we let go of Telengana, Darjeeling and so on?

    The issue is that Kashmir is the signature that in India, it is not composed of one religion or a religious majority.

    The religious majority in Kashmir is Muslim, in the NE it is Christian, in the Tribal areas, to a great extent, Christian.

    If India was to be based on religion and Kashmir let go, there is the danger that many might feel that India should let go of all Muslims too!

    A stupid contention and a very dangerous and divisive suggestion!
     
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    The people advocating letting go of Kashmir should be sent to the loony bin. the author makes a very strong case against such stupid ideas.
    IMO a very good article with a few facts regarding the Junagadh state that I was not aware of.
     
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    The Dewan of Junagad, Zulfiqar Bhutto's father asked India to merge the State with India and then he left for Pakistan.

    The Nawab had fled long before, taking everything from the State Treasury!
     
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    Thanks Sir, this is proving very informative for me as I did not know that ZAB's father was the Dewan of Junagadh. ZAB may have been influenced by the Junagadh fiasco when dealing with India.
     
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    Stop worrying....India will never let go of kashmir.

    Any govt that does it will get dragged out of there homes and beaten plus the army wont allow it either. Army is sworn to uphold constitution and unity of India and will not allow govt to go against that.
     
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    Kashmir was,is and will be Integral part of this Nation !!

    Pakis have tried for 65 years with no success !! India is ready to take on 'Kashmir war' for as long as it can , but will Pakistan survive this war ?

    There is no question of Bargain on Kashmir
     
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    Over the dead bodies of millions of Indians. Not happening.
     
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    foolishness of past is haunting peacce of today. when we know that our enemy is on the other side of border getting motivated more and more to mount an attack on us then why dont we are preparing? look at israel.
    actually its not the fault of govt its the society.
    people are still confused regarding pakistan and pakistanis. either make them friend- but they dont want to be one. or make them enemy- which idiots here dont want to make them. in the end why RAW who once controlled south asia is now no where to be seen
     
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    Pakistan is aware of the negative repercussions of any action to take Kashmir.

    Given the rise of religious intolerance around the world, there is always the fear of an influx overwhelming Pakistan, ruining its already delicate economy and adding chaos to the already chaotic social order.

    That is possibly the reason why India plays it cool to Pakistan's preference to 'bleed' India because going too far can have disastrous consequences including being attacked and it ruining the stability and tottering economy of Pakistan.
     
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    This is one of the wonders of our "oh great god democracy". :tsk:


    Absolute truth here. As for the bolded part, the rest of it has been Buddhist. Forceful demographic warfare started against Kashmir state when central Asian barbarians and medieval Persians came in (idiocy that there was no unity among brave and powerful independent Hindu kings who could have easily thrashed the Islamic invaders back).

    We must learn never to make that mistake again.
     
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    Afghans, Chaks are responsible for changing Kashmir's religion.

    Both were very brutal.
     
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    Allow all Indians to buy land in Kashmir, change the bloody demographics.
     
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    Parveen Swamy is a known lunatic IB paid journalist who considers himself as J&K specialist. Communist to the core under Ram and on the pay roll of IB.
     
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    I Would say Divide Kashmir in three parts -Jammu ,Kashmir ,Ladakh

    Ladakh and Jammu Being an Buddhist and Hindu Majority region - Integrate this Territories in India with same status in constitution as for other states,"I am Talkin about Article 370 here which grants whole JnK Special Status as of now !!

    Majority of Ladakh is Calm with no Insurgency , While Insurgency is Majorly in Valley and Jammu Border !! Keep the Army in Border's as well as in region's facing Insurgency !! Removal of AFSPA From Regions where there is No Insurgency and are Under Police/Paramilitary control can be debated betn Central govt,State and Armed forces

    Free to disagree !!
     
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    After Reading your Post , also i would like to mention here Issue of Kashmiri Pandits and their Rehabilitation which should be pushed forward by Government and govt should be ready to Provide them adequate security if they are brought back onto their Homeland - Kashmir
     
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    Kashmir is an integral part of India, but saying Kashmir defines the entire country's identity is a bit too much.

    Why do I have a feeling that Swamy is going to get some top post in the next non cong govt.
     
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    As for Junagadh, adjacent princely states were not per se independent, but small principalities that owed allegiance to junagadh.. There principalities signed instrument of accession without consuliting with junagadh... The Junagad has many parallels with kashmir.
     
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    This article by Subramanian Swamy is dated Sep 2008. If I remember this would have been in the context of some media persons floating the idea that India should let go of Kashmir for the sake of peace with Pakistan. Subramanian Swamy is one of the few public persona who does not mince his words for fear of being politically incorrect which he is often.
     
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    Article is by Subramanian Swamy not Praveen Swami. In any case are you advocating India `let go` of Kashmir ???
     

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