Karna's grasp of Dharma

[Mad Indian]

Sorry, you were being abusive and not him. That is how I see it.

---- off is a phrase which means get lost . It is not abusive. If that is taken to be abusive, then so is coward.

And dont deflect the question like the typical hypocrite you are. You said I vitiate the atmosphere. The question is , is calling someone a coward vitiating the atmosphere or not?

Also, you are being dishonest in claiming your f-word was in response to the word "coward." No, it was not. It was in response to the word "quota."

So you are a mind reader now? To me , it was he just trolling. I dont use quota. See I am not a hypocrite like you to live in US and live off of capitalism and whine about how bad capitalism is

 

[Singh]

No no no no. I am not letting you get off the hook. He called me a coward first and did it repeatedly till I told him to ---- off. So was he right ? What he did was not vitiating me?

1. You already called me a hypocrite and asked me to go ---- myself. You have in the past umpteenth times criticised this forum, accused its staff of being biased etc. So on what grounds are you looking for us to admit our wrongdoings ? Have you shamed us hypocrites into becoming morally upright individuals ?

2. However, I am surprised that you refuse to accept your wrongdoings and are using juvenile logic to support your stand. Your gold standard of defining who a hypocrite is.

 

[pmaitra]

---- off is a phrase which means get lost . It is not abusive. If that is taken to be abusive, then so is coward.

And dont deflect the question like the typical hypocrite you are. You said I vitiate the atmosphere. The question is , is calling someone a coward vitiating the atmosphere or not?

No.

So you are a mind reader now? To me , it was he just trolling. I dont use quota. See I am not a hypocrite like you to live in US and live off of capitalism and whine about how bad capitalism is

I am not debating whether you use quota or not. Whether you do or not does not bother me. You are not occupying a position that I covet. What I have noticed is that you responded to "quota" using abusive language, and then you came back to make an untruthful claim that it was in response to the word "coward."

P.S.: I live in a socialist state.

 

[Mad Indian]

1. You already called me a hypocrite and asked me to go ---- myself. You have in the past umpteenth times criticised this forum, accused its staff of being biased etc. So on what grounds are you looking for us to admit our wrongdoings ? Have you shamed us hypocrites into becoming morally upright individuals ?

2. However, I am surprised that you refuse to accept your wrongdoings and are using juvenile logic to support your stand. Your gold standard of defining who a hypocrite is.

1. I dont expect any thing. I just want to be left alone by the likes of you. In case you dint noticed till now, I stopped debating you, pmaitra, and Ray. Thats what I said from the very beginning - leave me alone and I dont want to debate anything with you. And what did you did, you called me a coward and that I am running away.

2. You have to actually show when you even showed evidence of hypocrisy from me

 

[Mad Indian]

No.

I am not debating whether you use quota or not. Whether you do or not does not bother me. What I have noticed is that you responded to "quota" using abusive language, and then you came back to make an untruthful claim that it was in response to the word "coward."

P.S.: I live in a socialist state.

If he calling me a coward is not vitiating the atmosphere, then me asking him to ---- off is not vitiating the atmosphere either

So I am not a quota student who gets riled up by the word quota? You have become a mind reader - add it to the list of things you can do

 

[Singh]

Really and thats what exactly? I dont believe in cycles of birth and rebirths. And what logic can prove it exists? Dont use religion just for winning an argument. It makes you look pathetic

Your entire contribution to this thread is I don't believe in Dharma-Karma cycle and yet you are on a thread about Dharma of Karna in Mahabharata.

And on other threads you call out and ridicule all those Hindus who don't behave the way you want them to.

 

[Singh]

1. I dont expect any thing. I just want to be left alone by the likes of you. In case you dint noticed till now, I stopped debating you, pmaitra, and Ray. Thats what I said from the very beginning - leave me alone and I dont want to debate anything with you. And what did you did, you called me a coward and that I am running away.

2. You have to actually show when you even showed evidence of hypocrisy from me

I have shown your wrongdoing corroborated by another member. It is for you to not act like a hypocrite and stop deflecting.

 

[pmaitra]

If he calling me a coward is not vitiating the atmosphere, then me asking him to ---- off is not vitiating the atmosphere either

So I am not a quota student who gets riled up by the word quota? You have become a mind reader - add it to the list of things you can do

Ok, I did add one sentence to my post, but let me repeat it.

Whether you use quota or not is not something I bother about. You are not my competitor. You are not occupying a seat that I covet. I just made that point after you called me a hypocrite.

Anyway, are you willing to go back to a debate about Karna's grasp about Dharma using appropriate vocabulary?

 

[Mad Indian]

Your entire contribution to this thread is I don't believe in Dharma-Karma cycle and yet you are on a thread about Dharma of Karna in Mahabharata.

Wow. Classic dude classic. I said I dont believe in "birth rebirth" cycle. So now it is the same as Dharma of Karna now? Seriously how much more strawman can you pull to make your point stick?

And on other threads you call out and ridicule all those Hindus who don't behave the way you want them to.

And you dont? You dont ridicule people you dont agree with? Why do you get worked up about Sanghis and RWingers then?

 

[Mad Indian]

I have shown your wrongdoing corroborated by another member. It is for you to not act like a hypocrite and stop deflecting.

Which is a strawman you pulled through and through.

 

[Singh]

@Mad Indian I apologize for accusing you of doing any wrongdoing because you obviously did not, hell I would say cannot do any wrong.

 

[Mad Indian]

@Mad Indian I apologize for accusing you of doing any wrongdoing because you obviously did not, hell I would say cannot do any wrong.

I have abused and misbehaved here when I was immature and I have been given infractions and it ends there. I dont anymore and if I do, you guys can do what you want.

I dont need your fake apologies. But lets leave each other alone shall we?

 

[Singh]

I have abused and misbehaved here when I was immature and I have been given infractions and it ends there. I dont anymore and if I do, you guys can do what you want.
I dont need your fake apologies. But lets leave each other alone shall we?

The reason I and others have been uncharacteristically patient with you is because we guys don't want to do what you are forcing us to do.


It is for you to show your maturity and as you have claimed that you have matured, well proof of the pudding is in the eating. We will try to be not as biased as you accuse us of being but I am certain we can never satisfy you.

And unfortunately due to the nature and content of your posts it'll be very difficult for you to be left alone, even by me.

PS: I am certain if the roles were reversed you would've kicked me out ages ago. Keep that in mind.

 

[Mad Indian]

The reason I and others have been uncharacteristically patient with you is because we guys don't want to do what you are forcing us to do.


It is for you to show your maturity and as you have claimed that you have matured, well proof of the pudding is in the eating. We will try to be not as biased as you accuse us of being but I am certain we can never satisfy you.

Actually, I have not made any ad hominems unprovoked for a long time. As evidenced in this very thread, what usually happens is You or Ray would be debating something and I will be providing contrarian views. You would name call and I would retort back. And pmaitra or you will come and notice how I have abused and would give me infractions. Somehow, what you did would never matter. Even if I take it up with you all, you would just claim I am playing victim card. That is the reason I decided its useless to debate you guys and better to just ignore you.

See in this thread, you called me a loser, coward and what not when I said leave me alone. I asked you to ---- off and pmaitra was here saying how I am vitiating the atmosphere and should have been given an infraction. Yeah right.

And unfortunately due to the nature and content of your posts it'll be very difficult for you to be left alone, even by me.

You mean like the nature and content of my post in this thread?Funnily enough, I never get infractions for my opinions, however supposedly extreme they are.

PS: I am certain if the roles were reversed you would've kicked me out ages ago. Keep that in mind.

I am not a hypocrite and I would not have. I have already said this is a liberal forum have I not? I understand your biases(after all, we are all Humans), and I want to steer clear off that and just ignore you when you are not going to accept that the fault is on both sides.

 

[Mad Indian]

Thanks

So Karna either Daana veera sura Karna or total Psychopath ,interesting.Anyway,If ONE fighting against two great warriors Krisha&Arjuna he must be the greatest warrior.

2.If we malign the Karna's Character then obviously two main characters are highlighted,Krishna&Arjuna.Who are sidelined in-front of low-caste/misfortune/tragic HERO karna.

May be you are right Vedvyas never ever wrote like this , demean Krishna&Arjuna who are withstand with Dharma.

Ok, suppose you are Karna - you are the greatest soul on the planet and you are the biggest generous person on the planet. Now a Paki terrorist comes to you and asks you to donate your Nuclear weapons to him(which you have) and you are 100% sure you he will use it on innocent civilians. Will you be generous and give him his boon? If you did , does that make you noble?

 

[Peter]

Both the episodes are not there in the original ved vyas's mahabharat, draupadi laughing is a later addition by some author in 1960's to kinda justify her disrobing later. Karna draupadi angle is again as u said a folktale invention, this is nowhere mentioned in the original mahabharat

Draupadi did laugh. It is there even in Bengali versions. Anyway as Khagehs sir has pointed out it is immaterial whether she laughed or not is immaterial. She did not deserve to be disrobed by Duryodhana.

 

[Peter]

Yep there are two different versions.



I believe Krishna actively took part in this episode when he made Duryodhan cover his bits.

@Singh @Khagesh sir

There are many different versions why Krishna was killed. There is another tale that Shri Krishna and two of his friends had tried to play a prank on a learned sage(muni rishi). They had taken an earthen pot and tried to inquire from the rishi what was inside it. The sage became angry at them and cursed them. Shri Krishna and his friends became afraid of this curse and tried to destroy the pot by smashing it. Later the spot where the pot was destroyed there grew a poisonous weed. The poison from that plant was later used by an archer to kill Shri Krishna.