Karachi Violence An Ominous Sign For Pakistan

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India should do to pakistan what they do to us,by that i mean. India should start by raising its concern for innocent people being killed then call pakistan to show restraint .Go even further and make it a international story like they keep trying with kashmir,the best form of defence is attack...
 

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see i told you that indians dont think strategically.IF you wish for prosperous pakistan then india will be in chaos.best option for india is to keep pakistani army strong and hope it always rule the country directly or indirectly.pakistan with constant perpetual loggerhead with itself is the best case scenario fo india.
I don't pray for good things to happen to Evil Pakistan. I was just discussing the point . Its Truth that Pakistan is into such a big Chaos only due to army and ISI .
 

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I don't pray for good things to happen to Evil Pakistan. I was just discussing the point . Its Truth that Pakistan is into such a big Chaos only due to army and ISI .
I hope you do pray for the well being of its people.If not you dawa your dua is required by thse people.
 

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I hope you do pray for the well being of its people.If not you dawa your dua is required by thse people.
Unlikely.

Im too bitter to pray for there well being! Instead we should humiliate pakistan as a country to such an extent that pakistanis become ashamed to call themselves pakistanis infront of other people.
 

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If the Pakistani people want something good for themselves, then they must rise and fight..take to the streets, fight for their rights, fight for reforms, justice and equality and not explain away their current predicament as Allah's wish or blame Zionist-Hindu conspiracies. We have enough problems of our own.lets' tackle them first before shedding crocodile tears over some maniacs slaughtering each other beyond our western borders..of course we may need to intervene if the situation becomes unmanageable as in 1971..but let's cross the bridge when we come to it.
 

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Unlikely.

Im too bitter to pray for there well being! Instead we should humiliate pakistan as a country to such an extent that pakistanis become ashamed to call themselves pakistanis infront of other people.
humiliations breeds bitterness.
 

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thats the scenario which can happen and it will happens so fast that india will have no control over it.
This you also see in your dreams?
 

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Just to put this in perspective for you, Karachi provides about 72% of federal revenues. If Karachi burns, business is on fire, foreign investments don't trickle in, heck local investments suffer! and revenue sources become ever more scarce. Coupled with the greater financial burden of a fifth of the country's territory under water, this is not good. What's more, the local expropriation and thuggery going on by rival goons of the ANP and MQM means that a greater proportion of tax revenues is lost to exaction. And while the economy reels under an energy crisis, private sector entrepreneurs are already threatening to default on bills. With such drying up in the sources of revenue, it seems like the only way for Pakistan to maintain itself is for the United States to hold it up.
Is this true??? I hope IN has a good plan for screwing Karachi :)
 

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Guys can we please have constructive discussion rather than offtopic one liners.

This is certainly an important topic which hardly gets media attention. Just to put in perspective. More people have died in Karachi violence than in suicide bombings this year. And as Rage mentioned 70+% of "reported" revenue comes from Karachi for Federal coffers
 

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Karachi killings must stop

More people have died from violence in Karachi than from suicide attacks in the whole of Pakistan so far this year

A recent surge in targeted killings in Karachi is the product of years of lawlessness, much of which implicates major political parties and not just militant groups. With ubiquitous poverty and an ever-growing population, failure to break the link between politics and criminal violence will turn the country's economic hub into another warzone Pakistan can ill afford.

Violent crimes have an old history in Karachi, but civilians are being targeted in larger numbers, creating fear and panic on a scale that has not been seen in two decades. Most of the time this bustling metropolis is a model for organised chaos, and our ethnic, religious and other communities mingle freely, be it in business, street sports or our many mixed families.

Yet that cohesion has been tested recently by a series of killings that have sparked deadly clashes between rival groups and even pitted neighbourhoods against criminal gangs. This year so far there have been more than 1,100 violent deaths, including about 60 over the last week (and eight just this Monday), although the figure may be even higher given that many fatalities are not documented. More people have died from targeted killings in Karachi this year than in suicide attacks in the rest of the country.

Local political parties have been reluctant to confront the violence because of their murky relationships with groups implicated in some of the attacks. One of these is a powerful gang blamed for the shooting of 12 traders, apparently for refusing to pay it kickbacks. The gang's stronghold is in Lyari Town, an ancient and impoverished ethnic Baloch community near Karachi port and a constituency represented by the Pakistan Peoples party (PPP). A number of residents contacted by Comment is free explained that successive PPP representatives and local police have failed to crack down on the gang, which is heavily involved in the lucrative drugs trade that is siphoned out of Pakistan through Karachi, even though it has been intimidating residents and businesses for years.

The ethnic Pashtun Awami National party (ANP) and the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) that mostly represents parts of the Urdu-speaking community have also been guilty of spiralling into an increasingly violent rivalry over political and economic control of some of the most populous regions of Karachi. Both parties' senior leadership have at times tried to resolve the disputes nonviolently.

But those demonstrations should not be surprising. Although the lawyers' movement of 2007-2009 brought out much of the middle classes in protest at General Musharraf's suspension of the chief justice, it is the country's poorest who typically take to the streets to protest about everything from cricket to political rivalries, and give up their lives in the process.

About 100 people were killed in riots following the assassination of an MQM politician on 2 August, followed two weeks later by the murder of an ANP politician causing an outbreak of violence that killed 15. Schools and transport were shut down the next day, and much of Karachi's economic activity was again disrupted.

Religious groups from the Shia and Sunni Muslim communities have also been blamed for a spate of sectarian killings in Karachi this year, often centred on control of mosques and Islamic centres. On 5 October, Maulvi Ameen, a former member of the banned Deobandi militant outfit Sipah-e-Sahaba, was assassinated. Ameen's death was blamed by group members on the rival Sunni Tehreek organisation.

On 7 October, two days after Ameen's death, eight people died in a bombing of the most revered Sufi shrine in Karachi. Following accusations from senior Sunni Tehreek leaders, police arrested several of the Deobandi religious community for the attack, however there is no evidence that the detained were responsible for the attack. Some senior police, politicians and analysts believe Islamist groups such as al-Qaida may be behind some of the assassinations in an attempt to create chaos in the city.

Karachi is an easy target. In the slums of the volatile Golimar neighbourhood there are no proper roads, no legitimate means to access electricity or gas, and no access to what we would consider clean drinking water. The police rarely venture here, and local youths patrol the streets at night with pistols and machine guns.

Small arms have been readily available in Karachi since the Afghan jihad against the Soviets in the 1980s, when the black market for smuggled and cheap, locally produced weapons grew exponentially. Along with this, continued links between political power and the illicit economy have made it all too easy for disagreements to spiral into chaos.

For as long as those without the benefits of power and privilege have died in that chaos our leaders have avoided the necessary, drastic measures to bring order. The police have sporadically tried to investigate, but they are often dealing with powerful interests and internal corruption. Be that as it may, Pakistan can ill afford its economic centre turning into another battleground.
 

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It is a heady COCKTAIL or we can say a WITCHES BREW that is at work in Karachi today .

Militant Islam plus poverty and un employment plus the extreme gap between the rich elite and poor masses plus power politics between Sindhis ,Mohajirs and Afghans
 

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Coming to Karachi. Karachi is the microcosm of what is happening in Pakistan.

1. Karachi is controlled in large parts by mafias such as land, water, drug, extortion, smuggling mafias.
2. Karachi is largely divided on the basis of ethnicity. Even housing complexes are based on ethnicity. Not applicable to the small affluent part of the megapolis. Rioting between different ethnicity is common. Sindhi nationalists, Baloch Nationalists, Pashtun Nationalists and Muhajir Nationalists all operate out of Karachi.
3. Karachi is also divided on religious lines though not overtly as in the case of ethnic division. Sunni-Shia killings are very common.
4. If #2&#3 aren't enough Karachi is also divided on political lines. For eg Muhajirs vote for "secular" MQM", "Islamist" JeI and "Sunni" extremists "MQMH"
5. Karachi is the most violent city in the Indian subcontinent, and figues, perhaps in top 3 in the world. It has weak governance, overwhelming majority of the residents live in slums and don't have access to water, toilets etc. There is no concept of public transportation, 12 hr power cuts are common. And nobody goes to the cops, scores are settled at a personal level. Gun culture is rampant.
6. If the top 4 isn't enough, Karachi is the hub linking the world to Pakistan and contributes heavily to the Pakistan GDP. Whosoever controls Karachi has a choke hold over Pakistan.
 

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Please no 1-liners and news clippings.
 

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A trusted friend of mine- who's British, went to Karachi in the 90's on travel. And I was told: he saw dead bodies on the streets in the morning being drawn on mule carts being taken to the graves for burial. Apparently, Abdul Sattar was active even then. The bodies were the lot from political violence the night before. And the sight was so common, that people expected to see trains of them at 4 am in the morn'.

I haven't been to Karachi, so I don't know what it's like. But you hear about Pakistanis talking about Mumbai like it's a junkheap, without even knowing what the city of Mumbai is like today. Then, you hear of sh#t like this, and you know where the real s#%thole is.
 
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