Kalam asks India to prepare for high-tech wars

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I don't deny his achievements. But I feel he is too much talk and less action. Kind of like Zaid Hamid . Trying to 'awaken' the dormant Indian youth. His writings and speech cannot be taken seriously. He comes up with some brilliant idea to change India from time to time and doesn't really follow up. Then comes with another brilliant idea. Do you know he wowed to connect all the Indian rivers during his presidency. Did you hear anything about it?
Seriously? Dr. Kalam to a Jihadi terrorist? Dude, you've got NO IDEA about the man's achievements and his hand behind propelling the country to a military might level. Which world are you in? He's got highest qualification in 3 most elite fields in the country where lakhs of students just give up. Missile technology, nuclear science and space programme! You compare this hero to a low-life terrorist who was feeding off whatever scraps the CIA threw on his face during Soviet-Afghan war? Just read how he transformed India's military from a joke into world's 4th largest firepower through revolutionizing battle management tactics and better on-field management, how he helped transform nuclear status of India, how space research sky-rocketed under his patronage and education soared.

He's the People's President dude. You must come down from LA-LA land.
 

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His intentions are good . But I think he is kind of crazy. For what I know he started the whole 'India becoming a superpower' talk . He's a missile scientist with a fan boy's mind.
Infact i admire him for this one reason the most..that he dared say that India can become a super power...why is it that educated indians excel in every country they go yet india is not as powerful as those countries....we do not have the self confidence in our collective psyche...this one man by starting all this talk of india becoming a super power gave millions of minds this dream of living in a super power country....This entire concept of India Rising came into being because of Shri Kalams "Fanboy" talks as u call it....and indeed now not only us even the west recognises india as a rising Giant.....our politicians also now see greater roles for India(hopefully..hehe)...Kalam is the one person who gave Indians the collective confidence in daring to say that india can become a super power, india is on the road to becoming a super power and one day India will become a superpower
 

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Comparing him to Zaid Hamid?!!!! WTF!!!! Dude!!! I thought you were kind of sane, but that argument of yours fell flat across! You call such a Man as Kalam a Zaid Hamid, who quotes Non Existent Religious Traditions and dream of killing and nuking Millions??

And I suggest you read about what an Indian President Can and Cannot do and talk of the River Project and do read about it too rather than call this man a Zaid Hamid!
Haha sorry if I offended you. But I just compared his vein attempt at invigorating youth without any plan which is similar to what Zaid Hamid is doing in Pakistan. If he really wants to bring some change in the society, he should have a solid plan and work towards executing it. He is a popular figure, so he could use his fame to achieve something. Did he? He is all talks.
He's a good, humble person. Not really a hero.
 

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His intentions are good . But I think he is kind of crazy. For what I know he started the whole 'India becoming a superpower' talk . He's a missile scientist with a fan boy's mind.
I don't deny his achievements. But I feel he is too much talk and less action. Kind of like Zaid Hamid . Trying to 'awaken' the dormant Indian youth. His writings and speech cannot be taken seriously. He comes up with some brilliant idea to change India from time to time and doesn't really follow up. Then comes with another brilliant idea. Do you know he wowed to connect all the Indian rivers during his presidency. Did you hear anything about it?
A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists. I can but laugh at your posts.
 

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Infact i admire him for this one reason the most..that he dared say that India can become a super power...why is it that educated indians excel in every country they go yet india is not as powerful as those countries....we do not have the self confidence in our collective psyche...this one man by starting all this talk of india becoming a super power gave millions of minds this dream of living in a super power country....This entire concept of India Rising came into being because of Shri Kalams "Fanboy" talks as u call it....and indeed now not only us even the west recognises india as a rising Giant.....our politicians also now see greater roles for India(hopefully..hehe)...Kalam is the one person who gave Indians the collective confidence in daring to say that india can become a super power, india is on the road to becoming a super power and one day India will become a superpower
Modesty with power is much better than empty bragging. Our people have started living in vein glory that India is a super power already. They brag about the billionaires and imagine that NASA and research in US is dominated by Indians. It does boost your ego. But doesn't really help in working hard. We should get out of the super power bubble and see where we are and how much distance we have to go. India shining , India the super power notions are making our people live in an imaginary land where India is the center of the world while reality is far from it./
 

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A pessimist is a person who has had to listen to too many optimists. I can but laugh at your posts.
All I am saying is, look into facts. Do not get mesmerized by his persona. What has he achieved? People love him. But for what? Do not demonize me for criticizing the national hero. Be rational and look into the facts.
 

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He maybe a titular head and he may not have had the powers.

Yet, he ensured that immoral politics did not get any encouragement from him.

He listened to all, but ensured that what is right was his ruling when it was constitutionally his prerogative.

He was appointed during the BJP led NDA. He showed them no favours. He judged issues fairly and justly.

Neither did he cozy up with the Congress.

He was the best President India had.

He is loved by the Nation.

He got the loudest cheer when mentioned at the CWG. The prominent politicians and mentors got lukewarm cheers in comparison!
very well said sir.

a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is worth a million words, a cheer by a billion people is worth a trillion words! :)
 
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All I am saying is, look into facts.
As a scientist, he has done India proud. As a President, there was not much he could do. At the very least, he was bold enough to say India will be a super power, when most of our politicians chickened out.

Do not get mesmerized by his persona.
What has he achieved? People love him. But for what? Do not demonize me for criticizing the national hero. Be rational and look into the facts.
Try Google. Their indexing is amazing.
 

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President of india is the highest position.
even though prime minister have more powers but he comes under president according to our constitution.
so he already held a great position and it is not wiser for us to think him as prime minister....

what ever may be the position and where ever may he leads his life

He is always in hearts of indians
 

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He maybe a titular head and he may not have had the powers.

Yet, he ensured that immoral politics did not get any encouragement from him.

He listened to all, but ensured that what is right was his ruling when it was constitutionally his prerogative.

He was appointed during the BJP led NDA. He showed them no favours. He judged issues fairly and justly.

Neither did he cozy up with the Congress.

He was the best President India had.

He is loved by the Nation.

He got the loudest cheer when mentioned at the CWG. The prominent politicians and mentors got lukewarm cheers in comparison!
I agree with all you said, and think the same, But I was saying, people shouldnt blame him for not bringing about any change during his Presidency because, Indian Presidents cant do much. But Yeah, when I count Presidents, KR Narayan and APJ Abdul Kalam Top the List. They are loved and Respected by all, more than any Politician I know of. But I only wish they had some real powers to bring about a change they could have! God Speed
 
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But I just compared his vein attempt at invigorating youth without any plan which is similar to what Zaid Hamid is doing in Pakistan.
Are you batshit insane?

I'm organizing a lynch mob now, will be busy for a while :special29:
 

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His intentions are good . But I think he is kind of crazy. For what I know he started the whole 'India becoming a superpower' talk . He's a missile scientist with a fan boy's mind.
minus the corruption and mischevious politics His ( form pres Abd Kalam ) dreams were actually realisable

may i repeat the comment one of our colleagues asked ? which planet ...... ?

but then again calling him back is just out of respect and admiration, bcos as aubstantial as those may be , time has moved on
 

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I agree with all you said, and think the same, But I was saying, people shouldnt blame him for not bringing about any change during his Presidency because, Indian Presidents cant do much. But Yeah, when I count Presidents, KR Narayan and APJ Abdul Kalam Top the List. They are loved and Respected by all, more than any Politician I know of. But I only wish they had some real powers to bring about a change they could have! God Speed
Exactly. no one is blaming him for not performing. but you cannot praise him either. it is an honorary position and he got the honors during his tenure. we should stop the hero worship and realize how many people are working tirelessly to bring real tangible change in Indian lives without fanfare and attention.
 

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All I am saying is, look into facts. Do not get mesmerized by his persona. But what has he achieved? People love him. But for what? Do not demonize me for criticizing the national hero. Be rational and look into the facts.
I think I can answer this part.

Alright, let's take a rational look at his achievements, without getting into any personality worshipping, to see why he is a persona grata of such proportions in India.

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"After completing his third year at MIT, Kalam joined Hindustan Aeronautics Limited(HAL), Bangalore as a trainee. Here, he worked on piston and turbine engines and also received training on radial engine-cum-drum operations.

In 1962, he went to Delhi and was part of a DART team, where he undertook preliminary design studies on Human Centrifuges and single-handedly developed and designed a vertical takeoff and landing platform and Hot Cockpit.

During 1963-82, he served the Indian Space Research Organisation(ISRO) in various capacities. Here Kalam initiated Fibre Reinforced Plastics(FRP) activities, then after a stint with the aerodynamics and design group, he joined the satellite launch vehicle team at Thumba, near Trivandram and soon became Project Director for SLV-3. As Project Director, he was responsible for carrying out the design, development, qualification and flight testing of 44 major sub systems. The project managed to put Rohini, a scientific satellite, into orbit in July 1980. He was honoured with a Padma Bhushan in 1981. In 1982, as Director of DRDO, Kalam was entrusted with the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme(IGMDP), India's most successful military research task to date. The programme consisited of 5 major projects for meeting the requirements of the defence services and for establishing re-entry technology.

In 1985, Kalam was appointed Chair of the Programme Management Board, in charge of the supervision and monitoring of over 20 institutions and partners outside-- ranging from large public and private sector suppliers to small specialist firms that required seed money to take up precision tasks.


The Integreated Missile Development Programme constituted 5 major projects for meeting the requirements of the defence services and for establishing re-entry technology. Under his watch, and under severe sanctions from the international community, the missiles went up more or less on schedule: Trishul in 1985, Prithvi in 1988, Agni in 1989 and the others in 1990.

The establishment of the Research Centre Imarat (RCI), a campus 8km from DRDL, in 1988 was perhaps the most satisfying achievement for Kalam during the missile years. He received generous funding from the Government to build the futuristic centre, which is totally geared for work in advanced missile technologies.

Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam is by no means a miracle man. As the head of a vast network of laboratories - whose products include avalanche-controlling structures in Kashmir, water desalination kits for the Thar desert, a world class sonar submarine finder for the latest warship - INS Delhi, and infra-red night vision goggles for the Indian Army - Kalam's attention is necessarily a bit diffused. His self-effacing persona cloaks a formidable catalyst who can make people work.

On 25th November 1999, Kalam was appointed Principal Scientific Adviser to the Government of India. His role has been to advise the government and the country on issues relating to scientific and technical policy in different sectors. Kalam also advised on matters relating to achieving technological self-reliance and foreign collaboration.

However, Kalam has d for quite some time keen on pursuing academic interests. In 2000, Dr. Kalam established the "Millennium Missions 2020"- a blueprint for developing science and technology. He calls it "the second vision of the nation" and says he wants to focus on the minds of children in India and on igniting a love for science and technology."


http://home.allindiansite.com/profiles/kalam.html
 

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I think I can answer this part.

Alright, let's take a rational look at his achievements, without getting into any personality worshipping, to see why he is a persona grata of such proportions in India.

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I quote:


"After completing his third year at MIT, Kalam joined Hindustan Aeronautics Limited(HAL), Bangalore as a trainee. Here, he worked on piston and turbine engines and also received training on radial engine-cum-drum operations.

In 1962, he went to Delhi and was part of a DART team, where he undertook preliminary design studies on Human Centrifuges and single-handedly developed and designed a vertical takeoff and landing platform and Hot Cockpit.

During 1963-82, he served the Indian Space Research Organisation(ISRO) in various capacities. Here Kalam initiated Fibre Reinforced Plastics(FRP) activities, then after a stint with the aerodynamics and design group, he joined the satellite launch vehicle team at Thumba, near Trivandram and soon became Project Director for SLV-3. As Project Director, he was responsible for carrying out the design, development, qualification and flight testing of 44 major sub systems. The project managed to put Rohini, a scientific satellite, into orbit in July 1980. He was honoured with a Padma Bhushan in 1981. In 1982, as Director of DRDO, Kalam was entrusted with the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme(IGMDP), India's most successful military research task to date. The programme consisited of 5 major projects for meeting the requirements of the defence services and for establishing re-entry technology.

In 1985, Kalam was appointed Chair of the Programme Management Board, in charge of the supervision and monitoring of over 20 institutions and partners outside-- ranging from large public and private sector suppliers to small specialist firms that required seed money to take up precision tasks.


The Integreated Missile Development Programme constituted 5 major projects for meeting the requirements of the defence services and for establishing re-entry technology. Under his watch, and under severe sanctions from the international community, the missiles went up more or less on schedule: Trishul in 1985, Prithvi in 1988, Agni in 1989 and the others in 1990.

The establishment of the Research Centre Imarat (RCI), a campus 8km from DRDL, in 1988 was perhaps the most satisfying achievement for Kalam during the missile years. He received generous funding from the Government to build the futuristic centre, which is totally geared for work in advanced missile technologies.

Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam is by no means a miracle man. As the head of a vast network of laboratories - whose products include avalanche-controlling structures in Kashmir, water desalination kits for the Thar desert, a world class sonar submarine finder for the latest warship - INS Delhi, and infra-red night vision goggles for the Indian Army - Kalam's attention is necessarily a bit diffused. His self-effacing persona cloaks a formidable catalyst who can make people work.

On 25th November 1999, Kalam was appointed Principal Scientific Adviser to the Government of India. His role has been to advise the government and the country on issues relating to scientific and technical policy in different sectors. Kalam also advised on matters relating to achieving technological self-reliance and foreign collaboration.

However, Kalam has d for quite some time keen on pursuing academic interests. In 2000, Dr. Kalam established the "Millennium Missions 2020"- a blueprint for developing science and technology. He calls it "the second vision of the nation" and says he wants to focus on the minds of children in India and on igniting a love for science and technology."


http://home.allindiansite.com/profiles/kalam.html
Again, I have read enough about him and I know his achievements as a scientist. But a missile and rocket scientist cannot be a country's leader. At least not him. Sorry for comparing him to Zaid hamid. My bad. I was misunderstood. But we should stop becoming sensational . One guy here wants him to become the PM. Seriously? Have you even listened to his speech? We could let him dream a fantastic future for India. nothing more. A mature nation does not hero worship a missile scientist. We can do better than that.
 

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Originally Posted by Roma
minus the corruption and mischevious politics His ( form pres Abd Kalam ) dreams were actually realisable

may i repeat the comment one of our colleagues asked ? which planet ...... ?

but then again calling him back is just out of respect and admiration, bcos as aubstantial as those may be , time has moved on



He did not brave the politics of the country and come out clean and honest. He chose a post which doesn't require him to do anything more than attending royal banquets and residing in a palace. He did that perfectly. nothing more nothing less. Mocking me does not really prove your point.
 
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Again, I have read enough about him and I know his achievements as a scientist. But a missile and rocket scientist cannot be a country's leader. At least not him. Sorry for comparing him to Zaid hamid. My bad. I was misunderstood. But we should stop becoming sensational . One guy here wants him to become the PM. Seriously? Have you even listened to his speech? We could let him dream a fantastic future for India. nothing more. A mature nation does not hero worship a missile scientist. We can do better than that.

What constitutes a good PM? A technokrat? An experienced politician? An elected servant? Does Manmohan Singh, an economist, make one?

We've had charismatic PM's, politically experienced PM's, PM's of fate and crisis and exigency and heredity, yet few come as close on a scale of any evaluation to being as good as MMS.

Abdul Kalam has as much experience negotiating the bounds and layers of politics and the bureaucracy as does Manmohan Singh. Furthermore, he has valuable experience and knowledge of the defense and science and technology of this nation. In my opinion, a visionary and political experience are key. And A.P.J Abdul Kalam has both.
 

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We've had charismatic PM's, politically experienced PM's, PM's of fate and crisis and exigency and heredity, yet few come as close on a scale of any evaluation to being as good as MMS.

Abdul Kalam has as much experience negotiating the bounds and layers of politics and the bureaucracy as does Manmohan Singh. Furthermore, he has valuable experience and knowledge of the defense and science and technology of this nation. In my opinion, a visionary and political experience are key. And A.P.J Abdul Kalam has both.
Manmohan singh has worked up his ladders. To me a Prime Minister should be a shrewd politician apart from being honest and charismatic. That Manmohan Sinh is and Abdul Kalam is not.
 

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Manmohan singh has worked up his ladders. To me a Prime Minister should be a shrewd politician apart from being honest and charismatic. That Manmohan Sinh is and Abdul Kalam is not.
DR kalam-An icon in the Global scientific fraternity ,a recipient of Bharath ratna- Highest civilian award,a man who decorated almost all the covetted Defence/ space scientific projects of India,only person in ASIA to be honoured with Hoover medal- America's top engineering prize and so on .And you consider him lacking vision and shrewdness.lol.very interesting.
 

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Manmohan singh has worked up his ladders. To me a Prime Minister should be a shrewd politician apart from being honest and charismatic. That Manmohan Sinh is and Abdul Kalam is not.
Manmohan Singh is by no means charismatic. Nor by any stretch of the imagination is he 'shrewd'.

As for being honest, I'd stake my bets on the fact that they both are.


As far as working up the ladder, Dr. Abdul Kalam's 25 year experience in various PSU's, 12 year experience as the head of the country's missile programme, 3 year experience as Principal Scientific Advisor and Hon. Cabinet Member and 2 yr. experience as President of India serve as a veritable testimony of his endeavour.
 

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