K-4 Missile

[AnantS]

If you compare K-4 to every other SLBM of other countries in service:

Weight range payload
Bulava 36.8t 8000km 1.15t
M51 52t 8000-10000km 1.15t-1.5t
D-5 59t 7360km 2.8t
JL-2 42t 7200km 1.5t
K-4 17t 3500km 2.5t

You will find that K-4 is the most advanced missile among all. Far ahead of everyone else.
If that is possible? Maybe.
But if you compare to India's own missile: Agni-5, you will wonder why it is not so impressive?

Agni-5 50t 5000km 1.5t

Just keep this in mind: K-4 is variant of Agni-3.

Even your own Chinese anal ysts do not believe in the 5000 km range of agni. And more over K-4 missile has imported Jinn Tech TM. K-4's carbon composites helps in channelizing its Chi power more effectively. The crouching tiger depressed trajectory's move costs its total range which would be less than 3500 km. 3500, in most probable case is the figure when doing K-4 is doing pure surya namaskar's parvat-asan trajectory

 

[rohit b3]

Agni-VI is slated to have 3tn warhead. So why can K-4 not carry 2tn?

I think my friend here is trying to say that 2 Tonnes is probably the max weight size it can carry. However a Warhead of 1 Ton is more than enough in reality.
Now Warhead weight is inversely proportional to the Missile Range.
So if the Range is stated at 3500 kms with a 2 Tonnes Warhead, we can assume the Range to be almost around 5000 kms with a 1 Ton Warhead, or even upto 6000 kms with a 500 kgs Warhead.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

If you compare K-4 to every other SLBM of other countries in service:

Weight range payload
Bulava 36.8t 8000km 1.15t
M51 52t 8000-10000km 1.15t-1.5t
D-5 59t 7360km 2.8t
JL-2 42t 7200km 1.5t
K-4 17t 3500km 2.5t

You will find that K-4 is the most advanced missile among all. Far ahead of everyone else.
If that is possible? Maybe.
But if you compare to India's own missile: Agni-5, you will wonder why it is not so impressive?

Agni-5 50t 5000km 1.5t

Just keep this in mind: K-4 is variant of Agni-3.

Agni V Weighs 25 to 26 tons and not 50 tons. Agni 3 weighs 22 tons and not 48 tons.

 

[Yumdoot]

You are missing the point is that underwater system (not the missile) won't be called mature until you shoot it from a submarine successfully. So far, we haven't hear that K-15 is tested from a submarine yet.

No, @no smoking you are missing the point.

Post #315 by warrior monk clearly shows how several different specs have been floated about K-4.

We already know that K-4 pop up tests have already been conducted many times. In fact Arihant was supposed to be primarily for testing out several of the indigenous systems (missiles, torpedos, reactor etc. etc.) and it seems to be doing that with acceptable success.

Our R&D bosses have said contradictory things about MIRVs.

Our throw weights don't make much sense, to outsiders like you (is it not a acceptable state of affairs from an Indian POV).

Ranges of our missiles are never stated with trajectories types and flight durations etc.

I don't know if India scientists think they are smarter than others. All I know is every other countries only started their next generation system when the lighter one matured. And the fact is even with a matured lighter and smaller system ready, they still faced huge difficulties in developing a new system for the larger and heavier missile.

And yet DRDO has made public its Pop up trails. So obviously they have already done all that heavy lifting you mention for K-4 after having considerable success with K-15. And typically these K-4 success will not be relevant for K-5 with is even bigger and will come with S-5 boats.

Let's see the example of Chinese and Russian's. They both already had SLBM tech when they were trying to put their JL-2 and BULAVA onto the submarine. And most of the problems are related to -- underwater system.

Good, now that you know about these difficulties and you have seen the video for the K-4 pop up, what do you conclude from these things?

See, you are being too much of a novice. Obviously our people are lying just as you people had lied about several things while working against India.

 

[sayareakd]

You are missing the point is that underwater system (not the missile) won't be called mature until you shoot it from a submarine successfully. So far, we haven't hear that K-15 is tested from a submarine yet.

I don't know if India scientists think they are smarter than others. All I know is every other countries only started their next generation system when the lighter one matured. And the fact is even with a matured lighter and smaller system ready, they still faced huge difficulties in developing a new system for the larger and heavier missile.

Let's see the example of Chinese and Russian's. They both already had SLBM tech when they were trying to put their JL-2 and BULAVA onto the submarine. And most of the problems are related to -- underwater system.

Humm.................. you forget that we reached the Mars on our very first attempt. Not only we reached Mars we also made it on shoe string budget.

ISRO scientists while planning for Mars, first studied all the previous attempts and what went wrong and then they planned there mission to Mars.

Just because Chinese didnt made it, does not means that others cant be smarter then they are.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

India Conducts Twin Secret Tests Of K-4 SLBM

India tested it's most ambitious weapon -- the K-4 submarine-launched long range ballistic missile -- twice last month. Top sources tell Livefist that the two tests, both conducted at less than ceiling range of 3,500 km were conducted at an undisclosed location in the south Bay of Bengal.

The two tests on March 7 and March 31 are understood to be the second and third tests of the K-4. The first test, the details of which remain shadowy, is understood to have beencarried out in March 2014. The K-4, a submarine-launched derivative of the Agni-III -- but a vastly different weapon, obviously -- was revealed first by my India Today colleague Sandeep Unnithan back in 2010. The lower range K-15 submarine-launched missile was launched in 2013.

The Indian government barely acknowledges the existence of the K-4, so nobody's expecting anything official from the DRDO or MoD on the lines of what they put out for literally every other weapon test, including the doddering Prithvis (that are up for a progressive phase out soon, but more on that later).

A big congratulations to the K-4 team!




http://www.livefistdefence.com/2016/04/india-conducts-twin-secret-tests-of-k-4.html

 

[Prashant12]

Another Nuke missile test

BHUBANESWAR: Amidst rising concern of China over successful test firing of ICBM Agni-V, India is contemplating a fresh test of its longest range submarine-launched ballistic missile, code named K-4, which is capable of delivering nuclear warhead over 3,500 km away.
Sources said, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is planning to conduct the test from an undersea platform in the Bay of Bengal by month-end.

An impression of K-4 missile
“The platform is being readied for the test. If everything goes as per the programme, the weapon system, which has caught the attention of enemy nations, will be tested as per schedule,” the source told ‘The Express’ on Sunday.
Though it is yet to be known whether the test would be conducted from a submerged pontoon (replica of a submarine) or the indigenously developed submarine INS Arihant, it would be from a platform nearly 30 feet deep in the sea.

Once the platform is ready, movement of tracking systems and Naval ships to the area of mission will be made, the source informed. This would be third test of the missile even as none of the tests has officially been revealed.

The DRDO, which has designed and developed the missile, had kept the project secret till its first test in March 2014. The missile, world’s best in this class, will have to undergo a couple of more developmental trials before being inducted in the armed forces.

The intermediate range submarine launched ballistic missile (SLBM) is about 12 metres tall with a diameter of 1.3. It weighs around 17 tonnes and can carry a warhead weighing up to 2,000 kg. The missile is powered by solid rocket propellant.

This time an advanced variant of the missile will be tested to validate new technologies incorporated in the system. The test would be for a higher range also,” the source added.
A successful trial of the missile would strengthen the country’s position in the exclusive club of six nations including Russia, USA, France, UK and China which have the capability of firing nuclear tipped missiles from air, land and undersea.

A defence scientist said, this manoeuvrable missile having an innovative system of interlacing in three dimensions can also cruise at a hypersonic speed. “This exceptional feature of the weapon system makes it difficult to be tracked easily and destroyed by any anti-ballistic missile defence system. The missile has a high accuracy of near-zero circular error probable (CEP),” he said.

India has so far planned three missiles in the K-series. While the 700-km range K-15, renamed as B-05 (tested10 times) and 3,500 km range K-4 have been developed, the K-5 will have a striking capability of over 5,000 km. All the K-series missiles are faster, lighter and stealthier.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...ern-another-nuke-missile-test-1557615--2.html

 

[sayareakd]

K series coming online fast. Also wait for Agni 6 it will be SLBM with MIRV.

Now expect China to cry fast. Last time it was UN, wonder whom they want to go crying this time. Pakistan always waiting to give them shoulder to cry.

Long live China Pak friendship......lol.

 

[Prashant12]

India set to test launch another nuke missile on January 31st

BHUBANESWAR: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is readying for a fresh trial of its long range nuke-capable submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) K-4 from an underwater platform in the last week of this month.

If things go as per the programme, defence sources said the indigenously built most powerful underwater missile having a strike range of around 3,500 km will be test fired from a submerged pontoon, which is almost identical to a submarine, on January 31.

Though the missile has been designed to be launched from a depth of 50 metres, this time the scientists are planning to fire it from the undersea platform nearly 20-30 metre deep in the Bay of Bengal.

A defence official said while the preparation for the test is going on in full swing, tracking equipment has been moved in ships to be placed at test location and point of impact.

Having a length of 12 metres and diameter of 1.3 metres, K-4 missile weighs around 17 tonne and is capable of carrying a warhead of around two tonne. Basically a ballistic missile, the K-4 combines the aspects of both cruise and ballistic missile, which use multiple-stage rockets to exit the atmosphere and re-enter in a parabolic trajectory.

The country’s first indigenous nuclear submarine INS Arihant has already been inducted in the Indian Navy and this submarine will be equipped with the K-series missiles.

Apart from the 700-km range K-15, renamed as B-05, which has been successfully test fired several times and K-4, India has one more missile in the series. SLBM K-5 having a striking capability of over 5,000 km is under development.

All the K-series missiles are faster, lighter and stealthier. The missiles are far more difficult to tackle as they skulk clandestinely undersea and manoeuvrable thus minimising the chance to be shot down by the enemy.

Apart from the K-series missiles, India has the submarine version of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile in its arsenal to boost its second-strike capabilities. The DRDO is also developing the air version of K-series missiles which can be fitted with fighter aircraft.

The DRDO is expecting a successful trial of the missile as it would strengthen the country’s position in the exclusive club of six nations including Russia, USA, France, Britain and China which have the capability of firing missiles from air, land and undersea.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...her-nuke-missile-on-january-31st-1562525.html

 

[sayareakd]

Its great Republic Day gift for us........

 

[Chinmoy]

Its great Republic Day gift for us........

Yeah......... And Valentine day gift to Pakistan and Chinese New Year gift to their dad.......... :biggrin2:

 

[kurup]

NAVARAEA warning for K4 has been issued

BAY OF BENGAL AND NORTH INDIAN OCEAN – CHARTS 31 INT 71 (.)

EXPERIMENTAL FLIGHT TRIAL SCHEDULED FROM ITR DAILY FROM 29-31 JAN 17 FROM 0630-1030 UTC IN DANGER ZONE BOUNDED BY

17-41.52N 083-39.44E, 15-02.05N 082-59.53E, 03-26.45N 086-26.01E, 04-54.30N 090-39.06E, 16-05.17N 086-00.64E, 17-43.08N 083-43.91E

AND

06-42.27S 088-43.91E, 10-41.44S 089-33.12E, 08-08.42S 096-53.65E, 04-30.43S 095-03.75E

2. CANCEL THIS MSG 311130 UTC JAN 17

 

[Chinmoy]

NAVARAEA warning for K4 has been issued

BAY OF BENGAL AND NORTH INDIAN OCEAN – CHARTS 31 INT 71 (.)

EXPERIMENTAL FLIGHT TRIAL SCHEDULED FROM ITR DAILY FROM 29-31 JAN 17 FROM 0630-1030 UTC IN DANGER ZONE BOUNDED BY

17-41.52N 083-39.44E, 15-02.05N 082-59.53E, 03-26.45N 086-26.01E, 04-54.30N 090-39.06E, 16-05.17N 086-00.64E, 17-43.08N 083-43.91E

AND

06-42.27S 088-43.91E, 10-41.44S 089-33.12E, 08-08.42S 096-53.65E, 04-30.43S 095-03.75E

2. CANCEL THIS MSG 311130 UTC JAN 17

Think it is not going to be a full range test.

 

[Screambowl]

NAVARAEA warning for K4 has been issued

BAY OF BENGAL AND NORTH INDIAN OCEAN – CHARTS 31 INT 71 (.)

EXPERIMENTAL FLIGHT TRIAL SCHEDULED FROM ITR DAILY FROM 29-31 JAN 17 FROM 0630-1030 UTC IN DANGER ZONE BOUNDED BY

17-41.52N 083-39.44E, 15-02.05N 082-59.53E, 03-26.45N 086-26.01E, 04-54.30N 090-39.06E, 16-05.17N 086-00.64E, 17-43.08N 083-43.91E

AND

06-42.27S 088-43.91E, 10-41.44S 089-33.12E, 08-08.42S 096-53.65E, 04-30.43S 095-03.75E

2. CANCEL THIS MSG 311130 UTC JAN 17

As per the size of target area this is 100 percent MIRVd as the warheads going to disperce into targeted zone.

Now compare that with lulli ababeel a small area for one warhead.

 

[Chinmoy]

As per the size of target area this is 100 percent MIRVd as the warheads going to disperce into targeted zone.

Now compare that with lulli ababeel a small area for one warhead.

Unlikely. This is norm for any missile test to sanitize an area of atleast 1000 sq km in target range when testing any ballistic missile. Whether its MIRVed or not, we would only know after test. BTW K4 in itself is designed for MIRV warhead.

 

[Screambowl]

Unlikely. This is norm for any missile test to sanitize an area of atleast 1000 sq km in target range when testing any ballistic missile. Whether its MIRVed or not, we would only know after test. BTW K4 in itself is designed for MIRV warhead.

Okay
So it is higly likely that they are going to test mirv publicly. But normally no country does it. There are few videos and photos from minuteman. And just one from agni1 test in 2012, with actual RV captured while re entry.
Otherwise its classified as velocity of tje warhead could be assumed.

One conformation would do it i suppose. We have already tested a space capsule so I dont think India lacks mirv capability.

 

[Chinmoy]

Okay
So it is higly likely that they are going to test mirv publicly. But normally no country does it. There are few videos and photos from minuteman. And just one from agni1 test in 2012, with actual RV captured while re entry.
Otherwise its classified as velocity of tje warhead could be assumed.

One conformation would do it i suppose. We have already tested a space capsule so I dont think India lacks mirv capability.

India tested reentry vehicle, not MIRV. Now MIRV is totally different tech. Although we have tested space capsule and multiple launch of satellite in one shot, it doesn't mean we have mastered MIRV. We have officially gained the tech to release multiple warhead, not the tech to guide multiple warhead.
Although no one had yet shown any official image or video of MIRV test, but countries with this tech have publicly announced its availability. India too would do it after its been validated. So till then, its better to keep our horses in check.

 

[Screambowl]

not the tech to guide multiple warhead

but the bus used in re entry capsule is similar to what MIRV use. Finally both re enter in a guided glided path. The heat resistance is what we mastered during SRE and also the guidance during glide.

SRE had dimension similar to a w87 warhead.

 

[Chinmoy]

but the bus used in re entry capsule is similar to what MIRV use. Finally both re enter in a guided glided path. The heat resistance is what we mastered during SRE and also the guidance during glide.

SRE had dimension similar to a w87 warhead.

Thats why I said only part of MIRV. An MIRV does have its independent propulsion and guidance mechanism along with the miniature warhead. Any warhead without propulsion of its own can't be describe as an MIRV.

 

[sayareakd]

As per the size of target area this is 100 percent MIRVd as the warheads going to disperce into targeted zone.

Now compare that with lulli ababeel a small area for one warhead.

Another picture of targeted area

now check the similar NOTAM for K4

Its same as recent one.

Now compare it with A5 NOTAM

its not full range test.