Judge rubbed his shoes against me, says Justice Karnan

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  1. Yusuf

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    Funny chap with a very poor personality so much so people use him as a mobile shoe shine!

    How come no one used KGB, the ex CJI as a portable shoe shine stand?

    I think too many chaps overdo this inequality business either to gain cheap popularity/ take revenge for other slights/to take unfair advantage of birth.

    If someone sits cross-legged for say a photo, there can always be that the foot touches another. It is those who are looking for 'slights' will always feel they are slighted. It all comes out as a deep seated inferiority complex and a guilt that they maybe not fit to hold the high office that has come their way because of the pleasant accident of their birth wherein, irrespective of merit, they bag vacancies.

    Chist, how many times I have been accidentally touched by the foot during the photo shoots. Should I complain that it was done purposely to 'insult' my so called 'high birth'?

    If this fool Judge goes to the National Scheduled Caste Commission direct instead of the CJ of his court, it shows he has no faith in the Judiciary.

    Therefore, either the Judiciary is an unfair organisation from which no justice can be expected and hence a farce (and he is a part of it [sic]!) or he is making a frivolous complaint that such bodies at the Centre require to justify their existence.

    His lack of faith in his CJ of a Court in which he is a Judge who pronounces Judgement and on which the Fate of many are hanging, goads me to believe that there is no honest Justice possible in this country. What does the Judge feel about this? Does he agree that as a Judge, one cannot repose faith in his honesty, integrity that is essential to pronounce a judgement?

    It is time to get rid of all this quotas and reservations.

    Let human beings be human being who are recognised by their merit and not by their birth - the same way Mrs Gandhi abolished the Maharajahs and Princes' privileges!
     
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    I wont surprised by some truth in his assertions.
     
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    He might be right. Quality of judges is not what it used to be.

    These days you'll find some right castists and communalists in the judiciary
     
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    And those who will use the 'low caste affront' as proudly as if it were a war wounded medal for greater manipulation of the appeasement system of our governance!
     
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    This is what one of the most famous lawyers in the Kerala High Court (Christian one at that) told me "Adu between you and me, the current problems with the Judiciary is brought about by the SC/ST Judges and lawyers, since they have been denied money, power and fair women all their existence, now that they are given equal rights and opportunity, they are in some kind of frenzy for all of it. There they have made the judiciary corrupt"


    This is the stereotype. I shudder to think what a honest SC/ST might have to go through.
     
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    Ya! Right. They should take abuse in their stride. Nobody wants to throw the 'low caste affront', it is demeaning and not to mention pussyfooting out. But Brigadier, You have absolutely no clue what you are up against. It is akin to a child being singled out in a classroom by his classmates, because he is dark or isnt cool enough. They are being made into social outkast. Its the big boys club versus them.

    I am sure after a point, it becomes tiring and they burst out.
     
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    Adux,

    I am aware of what is being a 'low caste'.

    My life was with them and I have seen the reality. I was with one of the most 'politically alive' lower castes.

    There is indeed much being done against them, but then there is also a lot of it on assumed slights.

    With my connections with the State Govt, I was able to do some good, even though it was just a flash in the pan.
     
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    Now if that is what is being said by a CHRISTIAN Judge, then some would believe he is not biased since he is not an Upper Caste Hindu will an axe to grind!

    On the other hand, some would say that even though he is a Christian, he has been influenced by the Upper Caste Hindu ethos that is historically ingrained.

    And some other, like Digvijay Singh, would trace out that 250 years ago or nearabouts, his ancestors were Namboodri converted by Vasco De Gama, as soon as Vasco touched the Malabar coast! And so, he is a damned Casteist!

    One can never win!
     
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    Nobody here is saying there are some in lower caste, who use it very similar to 'race card' to further their agenda. But in front of what is being done on them as whole, that is quite negligible and have to be brought to book. Best way to stop someone using that 'card' is to make sure there are no injustices being metted out to lower caste.
     
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    Not really if we know Christians in Kerala, especially the Catholics, all of them claim to be decendants of St.Thomas and the first Christians, and all of the claim to be from upper caste hindu's such as the Brahmins and the ruling elite Namboodiri's. Idiotic, Indians amuse me to point that sometimes I feel like banging my head on to wall to death.
     
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    Ezhavas are toddy tappers of Kerala.

    Read this book

    The Ezhava community and Kerala politics

    G. Rajendran

    V.S. Achuthanandan is an Ezhava.

    So are:

    V.S. Achuthanandan - Leader of Opposition (current) Chief Minister of Kerala, 2006-2011

    R. Sankar - Former Chief Minister of Kerala

    C. Kesavan - Former Chief minister of Travancore-Cochin

    Vayalar Ravi - Indian National Congress Leader & Union Cabinet Minister

    Vakkom Purushothaman - FormerFinance Minister of Kerala & Former Lt: Governor of Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Governor of Mizoram(current)

    T.K. Ramakrishnan - Former Home Minister and Opposition Leader of Kerala

    Kallat Krishnan - Trade Union leader & Freedom fighter

    M.Kanaran - Trade Union Leader, Freedom fighter

    C H Kanaran - Trade union leader, Freedom fighter

    C K Kumara Panikker Vayalar Stalin

    Dr.EK Madhavan - Congress Leader, Former Minister.

    K.K. Viswanathan - Former Governor of Gujarat & Former President of SNDP Yogam

    Pinarai Vijayan - Politbureau Member and CPM State Secrtary

    E. Balanandan - Politbureau Member of CPM

    P. Ravindran - Former Minister, M.L.A.

    Mooloor Padmanabhappanicker

    T.K.Madhavan

    K. Pankajakshan - Former Minister of Kerala

    Arangil Sreedharan - First Ezhava Union Minister

    Mullapally Ramachandran - Union Minister of Home Affairs (State)

    K.R. Gowri Amma - Former Agriculture minister of Kerala .

    K.P.Prabhakaran - Former Health Minister of Kerala

    K.P.Rejendran - Ex- Minister of Kerala

    V.M. Sudheeran - Former Health Minister and Speaker of Kerala

    N.Sreedharan(NS) - One of the chief organisers of Communist Party in Central Travanore and Former CPM Secretariat Member

    Babu Divakaran - Ex-Labour Minister of Kerala

    Adoor Prakash - Health Minister of Kerala

    Susheela Gopalan - Former Industry Minister of Kerala

    Krishnan Kaniyamparampil - Former Agriculture Minister of Kerala

    K.P. Viswanathan - Former Forest Minister of Kerala

    C.V. Padmarajan - Former Electricity Minister of Kerala

    M Kamalam - former minister

    M.T. Padma - Former Fisheries Minister of Kerala

    Kadavoor Sivasadan - Former Electricity Minister of Kerala

    V.V. Raghavan - Former Agriculture Minister of Kerala

    Thachady Prabhakaran - Former Finance Minister of Kerala

    N. Sreenivasan - Former Excise Minister of Kerala

    J. Chitharanjan - Former Health Minister of Kerala, E-MP

    M.K. Raghavan - Former Labour Minister of Kerala and SNDP Yogam President

    T.K. Divakaran - Former Public Works Minister of Kerala

    N.N. Krishnadas - former Member of Parliament

    C.V. Padmarajan - Former Finance Minister and vice chairman of the Kerala State Planning Board

    K.RadhaKrishnan - Former Mayor, Thrissur Municipal Corporation

    S.Damodaran - Former Member of Legislative Assembly and Coir Corporation Chairman

    S.Kumaran - Former Member of Parliament and CPI polit bureau member

    C K Chandrappan - CPI State Secretary, Former Member of Parliament (Lok Sabha).

    M.K Purushothaman - Former Chenneerkara Panchyat Vice President & Manager S.N.G.S.N.D.P.H.S.S.

    Veliyam Bharghavan -Former Secretary, CPI

    Susheela Gopalan - Former Industry Minister of Kerala


    Hardly not empoowered!
     
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    How many Muslims or Christians will concede that they are from the 'deprived' classes?

    Many Christians are Ezhavas.
     
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    Brigadier, I know that, I was only telling you the need indians feel to say they are from the social upper class to be socially acceptable, Ezhava's are not the same as other OBC or Sc/ST. They are a different kettle
     
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    Toddy tappers are hardly high caste, well, maybe so in Kerala, but not elsewhere.

    In my part of the country they are called Suris. And alcohol was not considered very respectable.

    But if you have experienced scenes where there was gross inequality, then so be it.

    Unlike elsewhere, in Bengal, caste has not been such a big deal.
     
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    Brigadier,
    You didnt get me, EZhava forms the largest as well as the most organized Hindu groups in Kerala. They are the strongest here. Do Read up a little more on them.
     
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    Ever heard of Chekavers? They are not just toddy tappers.

    Chekavar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    May be this judge has lost out in the race for promotions to SC

    So he is SEEING discrimination and prejudice and IMAGINING insults and slights every where
     
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    Thank you.

    I am aware of the communities of Kerala and some history since I have had too many Keralite friends and colleagues, whose brains I used to pick for knowing these people.

    I find it a good experience to know about others including their foibles.

    My profession has given me a vast experience to know a variety of people and their sub national characteristics and history.
     
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    What if, that isnt case?
     

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