Jubilation in TN over US ban on Lanka aid

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    Jubilation in TN over US ban on Lanka aid

    Chennai: There is jubilation in Tamil Nadu over a US congressional committee voting to ban aid to Sri Lanka until the nation showed “accountability” over the bloodshed in the final stages of its civil war in 2009. The US Agency for International Development, which recommends aid for countries, had requested close to US $13million for Sri Lanka in 2010.

    With pro-Tamil sentiments quite strident in the state and demands to hold the Sri Lanka government responsible for the alleged war crimes gaining strength, a wide cross section, including activists, politicians, and the intelligentsia, welcomed the US move.

    “The ban is a victory for the human rights activists across the world,” said V Suryanarayan, an expert on south Asia affairs. A final decision has to be taken by the Congress and the Senate, he said. On the nature of assistance which has been banned, Suryanarayan said this could be for investments in infrastructure as there is a separate aid for defence. Though the amount is small, other countries like China and Pakistan may take advantage and strengthen their ties with the Rajapaksa government, he said.

    The vote in favour of the ban comes a day after US secretary of state Hillary Clinton met chief minister J Jayalalithaa and the two discussed the Sri Lanka issue. The AIADMK leader had reportedly brought up her demand for economic sanctions against the island nation during the talks.

    In the first session of the state assembly in June, Jayalalithaa got a resolution passed last month seeking imposition of economic sanctions against Sri Lanka by India. “If India and other countries impose sanctions, Sri Lanka has to listen to what we say,” Jayalalithaa had stated.

    MDMK leader Vaiko welcomed the ban and said it was a first step towards economic blockade on the island nation. “The US Congress members were moved by the expose in Channel 4 on the war atrocities in a documentary film titled ‘Killing Fields’. The footage shows how women and children were killed in the final stages of the war. Following the US ban, India should also follow suit and impose economic blockade on the island nation and bring Rajapaksa to book,” he said. The MDMK on Friday announced that a demonstration would be held on August 12 seeking the international community to impose sanctions.

    A senior AIADMK leader, seeking anonymity, said Jayalalithaa had been demanding a ban on the assistance to Lanka. “Amma has been urging for action against the Lankan government for its atrocities during the Eelam war.” He claimed Jayalalithaa had seen the Channel Four film of the atrocities 6 months back and this was one of the reasons for her change of mind on the Lanka issue.

    In a voice vote, the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Thursday approved a measure that would ban US government funding to Sri Lanka except for humanitarian aid, demining and activities to promote democracy and governance. The measure — sponsored by representative Howard Berman, the top member of President Barack Obama’s Democratic Party on the panel — would only allow aid once the administration certifies progress by Sri Lanka on key concerns.

    While the House measure enjoyed broad support, it will not immediately take effect as it was in the form of an amendment for spending in the next fiscal year starting in October. A final package will come through lengthy negotiations between the House of Representatives and Senate.

    The United Nations has said that 7,000 civilians were killed in the final months of fighting. A UN report has also spoken of abuses, alleging that the government executed rebel leaders who wanted to surrender.

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    A Sri Lankan ethnic Tamil woman shows a photograph of her “abducted” family member in Colombo
     
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    Why jubilation? If Sri Lanka doesn't get money, Sri Lankan Tamils won't get money either. They're even worse off now. Since Lanka lost aid, there will be even more persecution and general hatred against Tamils in Lanka now.

    And Sri Lanka isn't a land-locked country, one can't impose an economic blockade without a naval blockade, inviting war and possible foreign intervention. Sri Lanka knows that it is partly Indian pressure that led to this aid cancellation, its announcement came after Secretary Clinton and CM Jayalalithaa's meeting. What we've just done is given Sri Lanka a solid reason for alignment with China.
     
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    Well TR, so you (the world) will continue to aid the murderers with a faint hope they will somehow turn angels and start helping the Tamils whom they have persecuted from the day one ? Well the Tamils will always be second-grade citizens there irrespective of what propaganda the Lankan Govt unleashes. Its embedded in their Sinhala psyche and only "danda" can correct them.

    Also the UN/US/other concerned parties should start giving the aid to Tamils directly under UN agencies and not through the Sinhalas which anyway will not reach them.
     
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    What do you expect will happen now? Rajapakse giving into the allegations, and inviting a war-crimes trial in an international court? That's the absolutely last thing that will happen!

    What will happen now is China filling US vacuum with an immediate dispatch of economic aid, winning goodwill with the Sinhalese, which will then fuel further persecution against Tamils. US will lose little in that scenario, India and Sri Lankan Tamils have a lot to lose.
     
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    Thats not what he said, he said the aid was for the Tamils! It is meaningless to stop the aid as if Tamils need to be punished more. May be they stoped military aid, i am not sure. but if they stoped aid for relief then thats dumb.
     
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    I am just saying the Aid never even reaches the Tamils and so for them this will cancellation of aid is not a big deal.

    And that is also why I said the Aid must be directly given to the people rather than through the Government.
     
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    The "big deal" is not losing money, the "big deal" is the wrath of Sinhalese.
     
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    It may happen, may not happen. That's not what the issue is.

    Its kind of a moral closure and the accountability that the ethnic Tamils demand for the perscution they suffered in the name "fighting terrorism".


    Yes the Chinese may grant aid. Let them. For that sake you also cannot collude with the murderers. Also if the Sinhalas don't learn from their mistakes and again start persecuting the Tamils then they better prepare for another insurgency."Those who dont learn from history are bound to commit the same mistake themselves".I repeat for any reason the warcrimes committed by them in the war cannot be condoned and should never be swept under the rug.

    Also its for that reason the UN agencies should bypass the Sinhala Govt and directly start disbursing the aid amongst the Tamils there.

    You over-estimate that wrath as if the Wrath of Thor himself. :lol:
     
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    For any such measure to give result New Delhi must un-equivocally take up the cause of the Tamils with the Lankan Govt. But I very much doubt it till the Ghandi clan rules Delhi.

    But what have been doing ? Protecting the Lankans from the UN panels. Shameful to say the least.
     
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    Tamils will get sympathy from the west, but that's about it.

    Only that unlike the US, China does not carry the baggage of righteousness. If China makes inroads into Sri Lanka, there is little the west can do about it, just like in the case of Pakistan.

    I don't think New Delhi was trying to collude with Rajapakse. Its Sri Lanka policy was similar to its Burma policy, that of maintaining strategic silence over the regimes, to prevent Chinese inroads, at the same time, keeping a window open to counter-insurgency and covert warfare to keep its obligations to the Lankan Tamils. That has been greatly disturbed after this US move. India will have to bear its brunt.

    It is a simple mechanism: Sinhalese don't get aid because the west sees footage of them persecuting the minorities > Sinhalese hold the minorities responsible for the loss > more persecution.

    In relative terms, that amounts to a wrath.
     
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    That's the most important thing in today's world. Sympathy of the West.

    Yes definitely the Chinese will aid the Lankans. But that in any way does not justify others with the slightest bit of conscience to continue aiding them. For Chinese these 20,000 or so civilians are hardly a footnote in their bloody history.

    C'mon mate even in the wildest of our imaginations we cannot think New Delhi showed any "intent" to keep alive its obligations to the Lankan Tamils, as it should have. Else they would have turned a blind eye to the Lankan internal affairs instead of actively tasking our Navy to destroy their arms smuggling routes which ultimately did the Tigers in and did absolutely nothing worthy of its stature to make the Lankans behave in a civil way towards the fleeing Tamils. It was colluding with Rajapaksa all the time while empty mouthing "concerns" about their conduct which they do not even give an ear to.

    Also the location of Burma as the gateway to SE Asia, the anti-India insurgents parked there, its gas fields make it much much more strategically located than Lanka. There is no comparison there.

    Don't you think that is wrong and lays to rest all propaganda about Tamils being equal citizens there ? For if they are, then irrespective of aid their developmental work will continue.
     
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    Look, I know Lankan Tamils are victims of persecution and active discrimination. As a pro-Telangana activist, I know the terms "persecution" and "discrimination" to great lengths. I am sympathetic to Lankan Tamils. There's no issue there. The point I am making is that US should have arm-twisted Rajapakse a little before pulling the plug on aid in a knee-jerk. It removed the carrot before hitting it with the stick. It comes across to Joe American that this US move to cut aid is based on the revelations of the recent British media documentary.

    The Sinhalese now have the convenience of outright denying that British documentary, and building themselves a counter-platform to stand on, based on plausible-deniability. A substitute of US aid, China in this case, can then seize the opportunity to both replace USAID, and then throw its weight behind Sinhalese claims. It is a zero-sum game, and Lankan Tamils only stand to lose more with it.
     
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    Not just that, but giving defense contracts for coast guard and Navy boats, planning to export attack helicopters and making their sh*t life easier. I have never seen a more anti-national, slave government than this:mad2: . If we had what is called a normal government, at least we'd have sanctioned the Lankans. How would it be loss to us? Anyway the Lankans buy weapons from Pakistan and China for long time. And the Lankans know that if they let Chinese a base on their land with the potential of it being used against us, IAF and Navy will target their country as well in case of a war.

    Everyone here thinks including majority Pakistanis think that SL holds us by our neck, whereas they'd be committing suicide if they make any such geo-political blunders against us.
     
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    I know, I know.

    Any US arm-twisting starts with the cutting of aid. So there is till hope . India also on its part must take up the case with US/UK/Canada regularly.

    How can they deny anything caught on tape and proved that it is not doctored ? How can they deny the living testament of lakhs of Tamils who suffered under them ? We are just over-estimatig the Lankans and its time to call their bluff.

    That is seriously over-estimating Chinese power and under-estimating the US power. If the US intends to make the Lankans accountable, china can do shit about it.

    That must be changed by direct injection of aid into Northern And Eastern provinces bypassing the Lankan govt by the concerned parties though UN agencies as they do in Sudan,Somalia etc.
     
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    Well we get named Tamil chauvinists when we protest that and our patriotism to India is questioned as if condoning genocides is a pre-requisite for Indian ness.

    This is not about the Government. Its about the "super" government of No.10 Janpath. Everything they know that the Lankans cant go against us to the Chinese and that is akin to shooting themselves in the foot but the Chinese boogeyman is just a excuse for extracting their revenge for their papa.
     
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    No, it starts with delaying aid, not stopping it. Even in delays, there's a whole spectrum of it, starting with technical delays, to diplomatic hurdles, and it goes in a serial order, till the other party gets the message.

    This act of stopping aid is deviant of US' own OP.

    Their response to that argument likely would be: "and who proved the tape to be not doctored? the west? thought so."

    Oh their bluff will be called, alright. It's just that we need to put them in a position in which they actually stand a chance to get punished for their deeds, and Tamils actually stand to gain something out of it. For that to happen, the west and India as nations should come up with more evidence in a way that the Sinhalese can't deny it. Currently they can claim that Channel 4 is in a competitive market, and wanted something sensational, it magnified the situation in Northern Lanka.

    Aid to Lanka is as much pocket-change to China as it is to US. If this situation creates a void between Lanka and US, China can afford to fill it.

    That I can agree. It can be done, but then you will have to set up a parallel economy to Lanka's. A cumbersome task.
     
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    I'm no Kaangress fan Karthic, but the fact is that LTTE killed our soldiers and Lankan Tamils cheered them on. That's unacceptable - Bangladeshi Hindus never did this, nor have Pandits, etc. I'm more than happy Prabhakaran died, nutcase that he was.

    People say 'Tamil chauvinist' because some put racial-linguistic identity over Indian identity, and some defend LTTE. Their lives can't be put above the lives of our troops who were killed by them. Support for India is not conditionable or negotiable, as far as I'm concerned, and if they don't like it, they can wither and die. Those who fight with everyone around them only end up isolated and destroyed.

    Of course China can do what they want - Chinese weapons helped Colombo win the war, and so did Chinese financing. US is on the retreat in Asia, and on the defensive, while China is expanding.
     
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    Who the F is this government to doubt you? BTW there's a saying in Hindi which is " Chor ko sab chor hi nazar aate hain", meaning that the real thief thinks of everyone as the thief. This is the reason why they doubt you. Bloody imperialistic slaves. BTW, just check out the new thread I posted in the Religion & Culture section. You'll get the idea.

    Well the government is controlled by the super government that you're talking about. With a toothless dodo for a PM, a domestic help, a wordless DM and a directionless HM, what more can we expect?
     
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    I understand. But as I said there is still hope that US (I have personally lost hope that India will ever do anything) continue to pursue the case and make the war criminals accountable for their heinous crimes against humanity.

    That's disingenious. If they claim its doctored, then they must prove it. Not the other way around.


    Fair enough.

    Friend, Diego Garcia is very much close to Lanka and US will be wary of any moves by the Chinese in Lanka. Also the Lankans know that unlike Pakistan, Burma that have another border , SL is surrounded/shadowed by India literally and there is nothing they can do to change their geography. They have to live in the shadow of India. They know that, but the million dollar quetion is do we ?

    Any move that entails benefit to lakhs if not million of people is never cumbersome.
     
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    Not the Government, even common people. Examples are very much there in this very forum.
     
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