Jittery China trains guns on US over its naval strategy

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    China has got good reasons to get jittery.

    It is indeed alarming for China, which is competing with the US, to be the prime superpower, suddenly being accosted with the major might of the US Navy when China has still got a Brown Water Navy.

    China has still not been able to arm-twist the weaker neighbouring nations over the South China Sea claims, when suddenly the US starts to put obstacles in the way of China to be the questioned power in the Pacific Region.

    This obviously, when viewed from the Chinese standpoint, is not very conducive to what she perceives as her birthright to rule Asia first and then the world!
     
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    I really have a probelm with the bolded part why should China gets jittery after all that bullying it has done though I am not a supporter of US but this action of their's is really gonna help in keeping China at bay or atleast drawing their attention towards US rather than troubling their neighbours like India and Veitnam.

    But in any case US is allready gonna get support of SE asian countries so it hardly matters how much China gonna cry.:hot:
     
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    China is jittery since they can no longer bully.

    The bamboo is going up theirs!
     
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    Why getting jittery? In the light of the abv mentioned spending cut, how would the US walk the talk of shifting to Pacific? Rather than being played by lesser contestants the US and China shall join hands to fleece them, including encouraging them to buy more US made arms to fund the US's recovery.

    Antagonistic as they seem, US and China share more mutual interests like "Yin and Yang" that opposing forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, giving rise to each other. Just for example, top corporations of the US who control the US politics have biz far more deep-rooted in China than in India.
     
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    asianobserve Elite Member Elite Member

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    Maybe you forgot that US, Japan, Australia and most major ASEAN countries are in an unformalised military alliance against China. The US partners in the region is fast arming up (arms have never been so much in vogue in Asia as now thanks to China).
     
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    s002wjh Senior Member Senior Member

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    i dont think any conflict will ever occur between US and china, both got alot to lose. even if it did, the most military damage will be done to countries near china not US. of course there is the nuke, and i don't think anyone want to go there.
     
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    lol US gonna get support from SE asian, you sound like US get help from them, its quite the opposite. and no china is not bullying its neighbor, if it did, it would already send in warship to show of force not just some cilivan ship.

    and if china start war against vietnam tommorow, you think US gonna join, i doubt it. short of total invasion of SK, japan or philippine mainland, US will not start a war with china. and china certainlly is not gonna invade these countries mainland. i think georigia is a good example.
     
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    The Pacific area is entering a Cold War-like state. There may not be much shooting, especially not directly from the major actors, but there will be a lot of positioning and repositioning, posturing, sabre rattling and arms race. However, due to the energy needs of the countries in the region expect some small scale skirmishes mainly between the naval forces of China and smaller Asian countries (not much US direct involvement though) will happen. The trick is how the US can prevent this seemingly benign military confrontations from escalating into major conflicts.
     
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    its nothing like cold war, china nor US consider themself enemy, maybe competitor. both economy are tied. there probably gonna be skirmishes, but nothing major is gonna happen. if it did, i better take out my stock/401ks, cause the market/economy will drop like a stone if there is a conflict between US & china.
     
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    Fine but sending war ships is not the only way of showing aggression isn't it?? there are a lot other ways and sometimes a huge millitary build up can have more disturbing phycological effect than actually showing your muscle to someone . Its just in the recent times you people started giving more importance to the talks for bridging our gaps rather than in the past when you people like to issue things like stapled visa not to mention things like strings of pearls. China is the most powerful country in Asia I think you people start acting in more responsible manner than the usual stubborn nature of your (I am reffering to the way China has moved forward with AP dispute.)
     
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    china does not have a HUGE military build up, check the defense spending of china vs its total GDP, compare to soviet, and US. its normal for any nation reach to a certain economic status then upgrade their military. china military in 80-90s were outdated, most their stuff was 50-60s tech.

    and what do you mean my people, i'm an american, this whole issue about china threat is overblown by media. did they build their military like soviet? no, did they send in their navy ship against philippine despite philippine send in their own, and ph is a much weaker force? no. china is using the soft power tactic, it hasn't use its hard power yet. it hasn't went to a war since 80s. so how responsible they suppose to be? a major power bow down to philippin or vietnam on the claim issues? if india, russia, US are in the same position, would they do it? would india bow down to china/india border dispute etc. think about what your country would do before judging others. i'm an american, and if someone claim guantamole bay by cuba, guam etc, well i'm sure most american would support send in our navy to protect it. the SCS are disputed, each country has their own reason, china been a major power usually mean they get bigger slice of the pie, if this was india, russia, US it will be the same outcome.
     
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    Don't believe everything that the CCP declares, especially not on the total budget of its armed forces.
     
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    According to SIPRI it is more or less around 2,1 percent of GDP for the past decade. So much for your theory.
     
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    The Chinese government's published 2012 military budget is about US$106.4 billion, the second largest in the world and up about 11.2 % from 2011.

    The Chinese Defence Budget does not give all the figures and that is a known fact.
     
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    Due to differences between the countries' budget systems, China categorizes the budget of the 2nd Artillery Corps as the budget of Space Development Rockets, and missile development is included in the Air Science budget.
     
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    i'm looking at the number of ships they build each year, planes etc. the raw number and its technology can't match US or former soviet. they spend alot on internal policing too. they improve alot recent year but sill lag behind US. china been 2nd largest economy, could have 2nd strongest navy, but its navy/military are far from it.
     
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    China shall stay cool. That's all in the Art of War by Sun Tzu. When the US is physically in a strategic contraction it makes big noise with fire and smoke for covering the retreat. That's how the journeys of first Clinton, now Panetta came about, whistling "the US is still here in full support of u guys". It's those little guys such as Vietnam and Philippines who get stuck in a dilemma of taking sides - security (the US) and economic development (China).
     
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    Three will be no conflict between the US and China.

    US will merely act as the Boxing Coach in the WBF Match.

    It will be matches between China and others.

    China will be in the forefront and will have to bear the losses that happens during Championship bouts.

    Even Cassius Clay lost!

    US will merely be the Sponsor and will pick up the winnings while the others are bruised and picking up their teeth from the floor! ;) :rofl:

    A Win Win for the US!
     
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