JICA ready with report on high-speed corridor

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    JICA ready with report on high-speed corridor
    • Srinand Jha, Hindustan Times, New Delhi
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    • Updated: Jul 16, 2015 01:14 IST
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    The Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) is likely to submit its final project report on the Mumbai-Ahmedabad high-speed corridor to Railways Minister Suresh Prabhu on July 17. The report estimates that India’s first high-speed corridor will cost Rs 988,050 million.

    Japanese ambassador to India Takeshi Yagi is expected to lead the official JICA delegation for submission of the important technical report that indicates the way forward on executing PM Narendra Modi’s pet project. The corridor will cover the 505km distance between Ahmedabad and Mumbai and is expected to reduce the train travel time between the cities to two hours from the existing seven-and-a-half hours. The corridor is expected to enable trains to run at a top speed of 350 kmph.

    Following the report’s submission, Prabhu is expected to move a note seeking Cabinet approval for the project. He is also likely to provide an outline of the project feasibility and timelines during the upcoming Monsoon Session of Parliament beginning July 21.

    From the initial estimated cost of Rs 650,000 million, the JICA has in its final report indicated a substantial cost escalation by factoring price escalation and interest during construction. Basic capital cost has been projected at Rs 700,129 million.

    The Japan government is understood to have offered a soft-but-tied loan to build the corridor on the condition that India would source at least 30% of the rolling stock from Japanese firms.

    The Japanese agency has suggested that the line be constructed on the internationally accepted “standard gauge”, as against certain opinions in the Indian establishment that the ‘broad gauge’ option be considered.

    As the JICA’s final report points out, high-speeds running over 300 kmph are run on the Standard Gauge across the world.

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    Looking at the losses that high-speed trains make all over the world, I have changed my mind on value of high-speed trains. They are expensive toys with insufficient viability.
     
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    If they are able to price it well this line will be a big hit. Already between Mumbai-Ahmedabad there are at least 25 flights a day ( one Way) and countless number of trains. Also it will attract people who have work in Ghandhinagar and Vadodara.
     
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    Nearly $12 billion for a single line is very expensive. Tons of IR improvement could have been done for that amount.

    But since they are looking forward to making GIFT city and Dholera SIR to be international finance hubs I guess it was a necessary evil.
     
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    The tickets are rumored to be @ INR2800 since the loans are long term low interest.
     
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    Approximate flight ticket Mumbai Ahmedabad ranges between 1500-4000

    During peak season Navaratri, if you want tickets on 24 hours notice the price could be Rs. 20,000 also
     
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    Lets wait for the official announcement by our 'Prabhu'
     
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    I would term JICA as a necessity, it is necessary for increasing the govt's capital spending.

    It is time we come out of socialistic POV. if this JICA works out, we can be have four more bullet trains in next 20 years. Delhi-chennai, chennai-Kolkata, Kolkata-Ahmedabad, Ahmedabad-chennai
     
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    Duh?? JICA is Japanese International Co-operation Agency not the name of the Shinkansen.
     
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    Oops, my bad......

    I meant the bullet train project ....
     
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    It all depends on how the tickets are priced. Anything less than 4000 (one way) will guarantee booming success and long waiting lists.
     
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    I agree that it would work out well, if the tickets are priced at 4K or below. But I don't think the routes you have mentioned will work out. The routes we will see are: Mumbai-Pune, Delhi-Chandigarh, Bangalore-Chennai, Hyderabad-Bangalore, etc.
     
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    Routes are debatable, but I don't think end-end distance cannot be less than 500-600 km.

    On the issue of pricing I think they probably follow dynamic pricing inline with airline ticketing. Let's wait and see , we might get more info from detailed project report.
     
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    May be or may be not. I think standard trains with 200kmph are much better than bullet train with 300kmph. Railways are pretty expensive in all countries that have some bullet train infrastructure. Most of these railways compete with cheap flights nowadays thus leading to losses.
     
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    There is another reason also for why we need this high speed rail and that too in exactly this region. Sensible Urbanization.

    The urbanization that you see in NCR region is funded by financiers based in from Mumbai/Mauritius. Unfortunately except some parts of NCR, the whole of this region is over-supplied. Gurgaon has crashed for all practical purposes. People knew this would be happening since around 2011. As is obvious if you follow UPA styled urbanization based on premium housing that is completely investor driven. In the NCR only the Noida market is working and primarily because it is a user driven market - almost 60% to 70%. Even though even Noida has supply overhang. In Gurgaon people come in only if you have the building completed. Delhi has no user base - people moving out and incoming people prefer rentals. Faridabad is a chor-bazar market with builders simply running away leaving the user in the lurch. Ghaziabad is headless, with its better served areas already sapped out and initial service infrastructure declining by the day. Denouement of Congress system.

    New money needs new destination and more capable people with monetary discipline. Only Gujarat can accomodate new money. Only this time you need a big user market. Couple this with the affordable/mid income housing that NDA-2 prefers, you could be seen at least 1 mega city coming up in Gujarat and possibly even 3 cities. If you see the map of Gujarat, then you will see Ahmedabad, Surat, Vadodhara are all on one single axis from the Mumbai route. Straight as the crow flies, Ahmedabad-Mumbai is around 450 Km. For future growth you have Pune also available at one end and Indore at the other end, forming a nice triangle.

    Whoever thought out this line has a very long term vision. This will sap the UPA gang of all finances. Bring new finances for new kind into new locations where people have the economic discipline to be able to handle the flux of money. The following policy changes make for potent seeding of future Indian Growth from financial management point of view : High-speed rails + New Housing industry policy + doing away of Equalized Tariff + GST + Land acquisition rationalization.

    Only thing missing now is an export economy base for Gujarat and Mumbai axis. Gujjus need to take a business leadership position now. Not just for them selves and their Gujarat, but for the whole country. About 5-10 times bigger in next 15 years of which 10 are guaranteed to be with Modi. And take your next job/business in Gujarat. And rest assured Gujarat will never be allowed to fall in Congress hands. Same gradually going to be true for MP and Maharashtra.

    Normally high speed rails do not make sense and higher frequency operation is better but that would be relevant for the rest of India. This region can take the different strategy centered around high speed rail connections. The Airlines business engendered in Gurgaon-Mumbai circuit was much much much bigger a hole than this small but permanent line, capable of giving services far in excess of the so called Civil Aviation industry.
     
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    On the contrary, end-to-end distance cannot be MORE than 500 km. If the Mumbai-Ahmedabad line is charging 4000 per ticket, it comes to Rs. 8/km. If the distance is 2000 km (as in the routes you are proposing), the fare comes to Rs.16000 (one-way). And this is the bare minimum.

    Think about it. No one will bother using the bullet train for such large distances since flights are much cheaper. Do the math.
     
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    Makes sense...........................
     
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    Exactly.
    MP has the land and BJP guv. and pro BJP people. It's Maharashtra that's unpredictable. anyway Indore is still a decade away from needing a bullet train connection. The construction should begin at 2024 and end at 2026 for Indore- Ahmdbad. at 2800 INR this is gonna be a grand success
     
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    Just one point.
    The trains are hardly if even gonna be taken end to end ..... they will be taken in stretches where time/cost ratio is justified so they will connect intermediate stops.
     
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    Yahbut, the issue is with long unviable stretches. Think of Kolkata-Mumbai. Mumbai-Pune is viable (200 km). Pune-Nagpur (maybe, its 50-50, but this is 500 km). Nagpur-Bhilai and further on through Orissa to Kolkata? Can't say - I would think, no.

    I think it will be natural progression. There will be Mumbai-Ahmedabad and Delhi-Jaipur. The missing part of the leg will be covered when we have one city between Ahmedabad and Jaipur which will be a viable intermediate city.
     

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