JF-17 export bubble burst

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Defence budget lacks specifications on exporting JF-17 Thunder

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan's strained economic condition puts to question the country's capability to spend billions of rupees on the defence sector on the pretext of enhancing the defence exports and kicking off related strategic ventures.
While the country grapples with worst kind of economic crises owing to crippled industry due to ever-rising inflation, increasing cost of industrial expenditures following massive hike in power tariff as well as security situation, billions of rupees are reportedly being pumped in the strategic projects without any accurate anticipation whether such kind of large-scale investment at the cost of public money would bear any fruit.
Some reports suggest that Pakistan intends to export sophisticated JF-17 Thunder fighter jets to certain countries by next year and $ 100 million (over 10 billion rupees) have been released in this regard. Interestingly, this reported amount is more than four times the size of funds allocated to Pakistan's defence production sector (2.3 billion rupees) in this year's fiscal budget. In the defence budget for the ongoing year, there is no mention of any prioritised project in the Defence Production Division suggesting the exports of JF-17 Thunder and the allocation of over Rs 10 billion for related expenses.:p
The budgetary allocations for defence and defence production sectors for the fiscal year 2013-14 suggest, of the Rs 627 billion defence budget, the Defence Division has received Rs 4.2 billion and the Defence Production Division, Rs 2.300 billion. Separately, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) have respectively got Rs 1.3 billion and Rs 5.8 billion. Pakistan Army has got Rs 310 billion in this year's fiscal budget, which is almost 50 percent of the total defence budget for 2013-14. The PAF got Rs 131 billion that makes 21 percent of the Rs 627 billion defence budget while Pakistan Navy got Rs 63 billion, around 10 percent of the defence funds. Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) got Rs 6.2 billion.
As many as 20 projects have been prioritised for which Rs 3.5 billion have been allocated while only two projects in the Defence Production Division have been prioritised with the allocation of Rs 2.3 billion.
Adding to the mystery shrouding reported plans for exporting JF-17 Thunder, the top government functionaries concerned have kept conspicuous mum over the issue. This correspondent called Rana Tanvir Hussain, Federal Minister for Defence Production thrice at his personal cell number on Friday to get his viewpoint on the issue but he did not speak. His personal assistant Muhammad Bilal said the minister was in a meeting with Governor Punjab Chaudhry Muhammad Sarwar and was not available for comments.
Information Minister Pervaiz Rashid, on contact, expressed inability to comment on the issue saying the matter was not known to him. "Frankly speaking, I haven't heard of any such development. How can I say anything without having proper knowledge?"
The Secretary Defence Production Lieutenant General (r) Tanvir Tahir was called at his official landline number 051-9270930 but he, according to his staff, was not in the office.
Jointly manufactured by Aviation Industry Corp of China and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), JF-17 Thunder is originally a Chinese product, with the related technology shifted to Pakistan in the recent years.:laugh: Regarded as a third-generation multipurpose combat jet, the JF-17 Thunder, in technical terms, is known as FC-1 Fierce Dragon.
In an interview with a Chinese news agency in May this year, Chairman PAC Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan had claimed that several countries were interested in buying JF-17 Thunder from Pakistan. The PAC manufactured more than 40 JF-17 Thunder aircraft, he had said
The recent media reports claim Pakistan is to export five to seven JF-17 Thunder jets to the countries like Sri Lanka, Kuwait and Qatar and related deliberations are under way.
Requesting anonymity, a retired air marshal said, the manufacturing cost incurred on JF-17 Thunder is 1.5 billion to two billion rupees, roughly. "It needs to be determined whether there is a significant room for exporting this aircraft and earning profit after incurring such huge amount of money," he said.:namaste: Pakistan's current defence budget of Rs 627 billion has seen 15 percent surge compared to the last year's defence budget of Rs 545 billion that was revised at Rs 570 billion.
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China will manufacture and sell the jets. Pak does not yet have the capability to manufacture the jet.

But they will earn a certain something for the sale because they own 50% of the IPR.
 

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It is also true that world dont buy the Pakiatani argument thay man behind machine matters.

That is why no sale of this junk a part from its maker PAF, even PKA-AF dont want it. This speaks highly of their junk fighter.
 

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Pakisthan has no option left than to go for the JF-17, not only it can not afford to operate even a twin engine figher aircraft it has also put the upgrade to the JF-17 to a halt. If this situation goes with the half baked JF-17 [I am sure it is not combat ready now] PAF is going to have a serious problem facing IAF even in a defensive role in next 10 years....
 

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It is also true that world dont buy the Pakiatani argument thay man behind machine matters.

That is why no sale of this junk a part from its maker PAF, even PKA-AF dont want it. This speaks highly of their junk fighter.
paf has no choice except eat the grass it is offered.
 

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lolz.. feeling sorry for the pakistans. Back in 2010 pakistanis were claiming on this very forum and arguing with me and others that they will build 250 Junk Fighters by 2015 as an answer to the 272 MKis. lolol What fun days. They were claiming their dear friend china will give it to them for free or through soft loans. So looks like even China has left them high and dry. :pound:
 

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This is brilliant. Buy the JF-17 and promptly put it in display at a military museum.
In an old issue of Vayu, there was a report about how Nawaz Sharif, then in the UK (before he returned to Pakistan) was at the JF 17 display at Farnborough and suggested to visiting Indian Air Marshal Pervez Khokar that India should buy it adding that "It flies, and it can drop bombs".
 

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In an old issue of Vayu, there was a report about how Nawaz Sharif, then in the UK (before he returned to Pakistan) was at the JF 17 display at Farnborough and suggested to visiting Indian Air Marshal Pervez Khokar that India should buy it adding that "It flies, and it can drop bombs".
I once read the jf-17 as "what happens when a mirage has sex with an f-16" lol
 

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lolz.. feeling sorry for the pakistans. Back in 2010 pakistanis were claiming on this very forum and arguing with me and others that they will build 250 Junk Fighters by 2015 as an answer to the 272 MKis. lolol What fun days. They were claiming their dear friend china will give it to them for free or through soft loans. So looks like even China has left them high and dry. :pound:
You had it easy. I was busy explaining to them how their aircraft is of no match to the MKI, this was when MKI numbers were 230.

Of course, now we have the MKI-complex. Soon we will have the Rafale-complex, then we will have Super MKI-complex followed by FGFA-complex. They will still be in the JF-17 Block 3-complex, especially more since they won't be getting their prized J-10s.

We know our airforce is doing way better than theirs ever was. :D

I once read the jf-17 as "what happens when a mirage has sex with an f-16" lol
A burning wreck...
 
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Long back I had posted that this bubble has burst. The original plan was to have 150 fighters for PAF and another 100 options for PAF/Export. Pakistan ran out of money after just 50 ac and china refused to give them ac for free. So the whole deal was restricted to 50 ac. Now Pakistan wants to sell these ac in the hope that it will be able to make some money but the problem is that development cost which was distributed into 250 ac will now be distributed in 50 ac so the price goes up and no one is willing to buy this junk. China will not give these ac for export to Pak till PAF takes its 150 ac and exports if any, will be done by Chinese themselves. Why wud they allow Pak to export these fighters.
 

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You had it easy. I was busy explaining to them how their aircraft is of no match to the MKI, this was when MKI numbers were 230.

Of course, now we have the MKI-complex. Soon we will have the Rafale-complex, then we will have Super MKI-complex followed by FGFA-complex. They will still be in the JF-17 Block 3-complex, especially more since they won't be getting their prized J-10s.

We know our airforce is doing way better than theirs ever was. :D



A burning wreck...
Yea, it was 230 back then, I remember. Then they mentioned they will manufacture more than our MKIs in such a limited time. They said since they have put the aircraft from first flight to service in such a short time, even this is possible with china opening assembly lines for them in their country in addition to the one in pakistan. lolz.. such fun. And it became apparent how they inducted the fighter without any IOC or FOC, and after a few months fresh from the factory bursting out in flames in mid-air crashing and killing its pilot. There was another drama when it crashed. Until the last minute the pakistanis were claiming it was a F-7 which crashed. And when the first pics of the wreckage came out they were in tears. :pound: This happened in the middle of the Dubai Air show where they were trying to sell it. lol
 

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Yea, it was 230 back then, I remember. Then they mentioned they will manufacture more than our MKIs in such a limited time.
They probably still can. They planned to make 25 a year. That's nearly twice our MKI production capability. It was not entirely far-fetched, but they overestimated their aircraft let alone their funds.

They said since they have put the aircraft from first flight to service in such a short time, even this is possible with china opening assembly lines for them in their country in addition to the one in pakistan. lolz.. such fun. And it became apparent how they inducted the fighter without any IOC or FOC,
Yup. First flight in 2003 and induction in 2007, apparently. And they delivered 8 LSP models as operational aircraft to PAF in 2007. Funny that.

and after a few months fresh from the factory bursting out in flames in mid-air crashing and killing its pilot.
I remember that. Is the reason known in public?
 

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