Japan's Public Welcome for Dalai Lama Irks China .

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    Japan's Warm Welcome for Dalai Lama Irks China - WSJ.com

    Dalai Lama said that members of Japan's parliament should go to Tibet to examine the reasons for recent self-immolations there. Two Tibetans died in separate self-immolations Monday, according to news reports, taking to nine the number of people who have set themselves on fire in the past week to protest Chinese rule.

    Mr. Abe, the leading contender to become Japan's next prime minister and considered a hawk on issues with China, said Japanese lawmakers should play a role in the Tibet situation

    Japan has traditionally kept a low profile in relation to the Dalai Lama, whose visits with other world leaders, including U.S. President Barack Obama, has brought condemnations from Beijing. While the Dalai Lama is a regular visitor, having last been to Japan in November 2011, he normally holds only private events and doesn't meet with senior officials
     
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    Japan’s Abe: We Want to Help the Suffering Tibet People « VOA Breaking News

    Japan’s Abe: We Want to Help the Suffering Tibet People

    “We lawmakers here are in complete agreement, that we want to help the suffering Tibetan people and help create a Tibet in which people do not have to kill themselves in a quest for freedom.”

    Speaking at the meeting, the Dalai Lama invited Japanese parliamentarians to visit Tibet to find out the reasons for a wave of self-immolations by Tibetans. He also called on Chinese authorities to conduct a “thorough investigation” into the protests against Chinese rule.
     
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    I don't think China has any reason to get their knickers in a twist.

    Japan has a large Buddhist community and so it would be natural to welcome a Buddhist religious icon!
     
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    It seems the present govt maintains a stronger policy stance
     
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    Indeed.. especially when China shits it's pants everytime, even though it's a blank cheque no one will cash. I like the Japanese way of thinking even more now :laugh: :hail:
     
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    China takes the Dalai Lama as an enemy, who wants to liberate Tibet and is taken to be a powerful force in absentia in Tibet which is creating issues wherein China cannot consolidate with confidence and ease China's writ.

    Hence, it is obvious that China finds it intensely irritating that the Dalai Lama is given so much of importance and is given the importance and publicity as a Head of State.

    This is more irksome to China since it is the second largest economy in the world and all nations are somewhat trading heavily with China and using its products.

    And yet, China cannot impress upon them to not give the Dalai Lama the importance that he is being given.

    Naturally.China is peeved being left impotent.
     
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    The same way Mao wrote a cheque that China will remain faithful to his ideology as written and given publicity in his Little Red Book.

    None can predict the future.

    One has to merely observe the most formidable bastion of Communism - USSR - and how it collapsed like a pack of cards!
     
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    i like the attitude of Japan!they don't give a s*it to what the chinis think about His Holiness Dalai Lama's visit to Japan(after all its the chinis who are sh*tting in their pants watching Dalai Lama recieving such a warm welcome in Japan):rofl:!anyways our plan for the encirclement of China is getting real each day with all it's neighbouring countries taking an anti china stance slowly but surely:thumb::vietnam::taiwan::japan::tibet::philippines::india:
     
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    USSR economy was in tatters and it appears it is not the case for Chinese.

    USSR leadership was mocked by its own citizen while Chinese do acknowledge the role of their leader in uplifting them to developed economy.

    USSR was a closed state while in China its citizen are able to move wherever they want.

    USSR sent its soldiers in pointless war Afghanistan thru conscription this was a major source of discontent and I believe China took note because same is not being repeated

    USSR was hell bent on spreading communism by subsidising inefficient economies and China does not do so it saves its bucks and develop its economy.

    Now will China crumble like pack of cards cannot predict same although it "appears" from some western media that people want greater freedom.
    If we compare China with India I believe we have stronger cause of worry.
     
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    In no totalitarian country can the people mock their Govt - not in USSR or in China. If one dared to so, it would mean the Gulag in the case of USSR and the Laogai in the case of China.

    In China, free movement is not feasible because of the Hukou system, which is still in existence.

    China will not crumble, but the demand for greater freedom is finding its voice. However because of the tight leash the Communists have over their people, it is stifled.

    So long as India remains a democracy, there is nothing to be worried about as far as individual freedom is concerned.

    In so far as the pointless war in Afghanistan by the USSR, it may not be so pointless if one sees it from the geopolitical necessity of those times and Afghanistan continues to be of interest to Russia, even though it does not have the wherewithal to make its mark.
     
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    All about posturing.

    Noda governmt is about to step down after the election. I bet the next cabinet will have to pursue easing the tensions with China

    Japan logs record trade feficit on tumbled exports to China, Europe |Economy |chinadaily.com.cn http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/business/global/japan-trade-suffers-as-china-ties-deteriorate.html
    Sayonara, another lost decade for Japan
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    It would make sense if both China and Japan amicably settle all their dispute including the ones which are historical.

    There has been traditional commonality between the two nations, but have surprisingly been hostile to each other historically to including the Nanking episode.

    The new govt of Japan would do well to ride the strident anti China sentiment that has overwhelmed Japan as should China calm the Chinese who have become virulently anti Japanese to the point of being ridiculous wherein they killed a Chinese man all because he was driving a Japanese car!

    Hopefully the new head of China and the one who will be elected in Japan will show some restraint and statesmanship beyond the wails and howls of the jingoistic masses of their countries.
     
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    It's an outdated thinking IMHO that the wrestle btwn China and Japan is merely about historical 'episodes' or territorial spats.

    No longer so. Like a Chinese saying goes, to the effect, a mountain cannot sustain two tigers. The mountain is called "East Asia".

    Seen in the prisms of economy, the boycott of Japanese automobile for example would give rise to the "nascent" home-grown auto industry as well as German/US brands. In geopolitics China also showcases to other claimants in East China Sea and South China Sea what approaches China may take and how much the anticipated "outside" balancing powers can play in support of them. Meanwhile Taiwan, and possibly S. Korea get "neutralized" in the rivalry.
     
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    @amoy Japans exports to china fell primarily because of the the impact felt by Japans auto industry after the island dispute. Do you really think a puny economy like China can challenge a mature free market economy like Japan?

    And please stop using China so called economic or trade clout to assume that everyone will fall in line. Remember, trade is China's Achilles heel. Maybe it was not Deng who ushered in prosperity to China. Maybe it was Deng who veered off Mao's warnings and sold China to the west.

    Who will you sell to when the world stops buying?
     
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    Japan's economy isnt like it used to be. Its share in the world trade is declining. As per your post, its exports to China is going down. Probably, Japan may go into another recession. But inspite of all this, the Japanese public have shown that they place pride over economy and are showing the finger at the Chinese. Says a lot about their character! :thumb:
     
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    @trackwhack if u did look at my earlier post u'd have understood who would be more vulnerable. Re-pasted below,
    Furthermore it's a Sino-Japan row, but u deliberately magnified it to sound like a China-vs.-West one.

    Contrary to your fantasy, the market share Japanese auto lost has been grabbed by German/American/Korean competitors in China. Why do u think they have always been on the same boat "West"?

    In below graph for Auto "Attention" Index (May-October)
    DEEP BLUE - Indigenous, GREEN - German, RED - Japanese, PURPLE - American, BLUE - Korean, ORANGE - French
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    Japanese brands are going south, while Indigenous/German/Korean are the beneficiaries. German market share up to 23.3%, Korean up to 9.3%, Japanese down to 23.1% still declining further.
     
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