Japan's nationalist prime minister wants to revise war apology

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  1. Ray

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    Japan's nationalist prime minister wants to revise war apology

    Japan's landmark apology to the people of Asia for the Second World War could be revised, the country's new nationalist prime minister has warned.

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    Shinzo Abe stated his intention to rethink the 1995 apology, given on the 50th anniversary of the war, but avoided specific details.
    In an interview with the conservative Sankei newspaper, Mr Abe said: "I want to make a statement that is forward-facing and appropriate for the 21st century."

    He added that he would consult experts about the details and timing of a revised statement.

    Revising the 1995 apology for suffering caused in Asia during the war, which was isued by then prime minister Tomic Murayama, would provoke outrage from Japan's neighbours, particularly China and the Koreas, which endured years of brutal Japanese rule.

    The Right-wing prime minister also discussed the right of nations to collective self-defence, changes to Japan's pacifist constitution, as well as the ongoing territorial dispute with China over the Senkaku islands (known as the Diaoyu islands in Beijing).

    He focused on the situation whereby Japan cannot currently act to defend itself under the universally enshrined rights of the United Nations' Article 51.

    The grandson of former Prime Minister and war cabinet minister Nobusuke Kishi, Mr Abe said it "is a possibility" that Japanese bureaucrats might be stationed on the disputed islands. Such a move would escalate tensions between the two regional powers.

    Prime Minister Abe is well known for his controversial stance on Japanese war history and provoked outrage in March 2007 when he stated that so-called "comfort women" were not coerced into becoming the sex slaves of the Japanese Imperial Army.

    Japan's nationalist prime minister wants to revise war apology - Telegraph

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    Japan is no pushover.

    If it moves on the militarist way, then it will be a force to reckon with.

    Japanese were contended with the pacifist approach of Japan so far, but given the realtime threat of China's sabre rattling, it is obvious that the Japanese would look towards self preservation.

    Therefore, Prime Minister Abe will find many supporters.

    He will surely cut a deal with Korea,but will not be very amendable to China, given that China's aggressive actions in the South China Sea is endangering and destabilising the whole region.

    Abe will surely be covertly encouraged by the US who has had about enough of China and its muscle flexing aimed to destabilise the region and stamp itse hegemonic and imperialist pursuits.

    The rise of militarist Japan and the loose alliance the US is trying to cobble up will surely thwart China imperialistic aims and the noose around China will get tighter than ever before.
     
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  3. ice berg

    ice berg Senior Member Senior Member

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    Tsk tsk , still havnt learned to read your own source?

    Revising the 1995 apology for suffering caused in Asia during the war, which was isued by then prime minister Tomic Murayama, would provoke outrage from Japan's neighbours, particularly China and the Koreas, which endured years of brutal Japanese rule.

    How do you cut a deal with them in the one hand and on the other hand deny you have ever commited any crimes against them in the first place?
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    He should go right ahead. Do it. And yes dump that crazy Pacifist constitution.
     
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    s002wjh Senior Member Senior Member

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    lol korea hate jap, as much as china, probably even more. in fact if Japan revise the apology, and start going through another military revamp, korea will follow its military revamp, and its not aim at china, but japan.
     
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    That is the dumpest thing regarding Korea-Japan relationship I ever heard of.

    Expecting to cut a deal with korea after revising war apology? Koreans will go nuts for that!
    What kind of deal can calm down koreans? Oh, yes, acknowledging korea's soverignty over Dokdo island. Then Japanese nationalists would go nuts for that!
     
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    China should let Japan revise the apology. It's a move that doesn't affect the hard power calculus at all, while weakening Japan's soft power in the region. Finally, Dokdo + the wartime apologies serve as a nice wedge issue to pry South Korea and Japan further apart. It would be very nice to see Korean F-15Ks and Japanese F-15Js dueling over Dokdo while their politicians scream bloody murder at each other. Maybe North Korea could chip in too, by firing some more missiles over the Japanese islands and 'pledging to retaliate with nuclear weapons if Japan violates South Korea's territorial sovereignty'.

    China should egg on all the sides in that instance, and use the opportunity to counter-contain the US East Asia pivot to a simple US-Japan-Australia triangle. Australia can then be pried loose with economic pressure on via its mining industry, and US influence in East Asia will then be consigned simply to a graying, unpopular, economically stagnant and slightly nutty Japan, which renders it harmless.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    To be fair the japanese were barbaric in the things they did to chinis. But since chinis are helping terrorist pakis against India i'd like to see the japanese get back to there nationalist days but first they need to burn the yankee inked pacifist constitution.
     
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    That's the difference btwn Japan and Germany

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    It's "too simple, sometimes naive" to believe the "Pacifist Constitution" has had Japanese hands tied.
     
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    This should serve as a notice to Chinese regime that in this day and age any expansionist ambition will be thwarted with equal or more force. China should learn to live with in their existing borders. Just keep in mind that China has billions of dollars worth of assets overseas and in time of any conflict they will be frozen or seized as well. Canada and other Western nations will stand hand in hand with Japan therefore the it is up to Chinese regime to behave accordingly as per International rules and regulations.
     
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    The Japanese PM is quite clear about how to handle the issues that are emerging in their part of the turf.

    In so far as the Nanking issue is concerned, with new proof emerging the jury is out.

    While there was bloodshed, but as is the case in all these type of issues, imagination overrides the actuals.

    Take the case of even the Cultural Revolution. Check the figures put out by the various agencies. What is the official Communist Chinese figure and what are the western figures and what are the views of either side on the rationale.

    Take the case of the Tienanmen Square. The figures given by the Chinese Communists and the figures quoted by the western media. Check the rationale that is trotted out by either side and who did what.

    Check the Tibetan Riots in a similar way.

    Truth and Imagination - the lines are blurred.
     
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    Wow. To equate those incidents with the 15+ million civilian casualties Japan inflicted upon China... the rapes, the famines, the testing of chemical and biological weapons... you have just lost all credibility in my eyes.
     
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    I understand your angst.

    The same way we have an angst over the Partition where millions have died.

    There are so many views and so many tales of atrocities and so many figures of how many were killed.

    But then, one hears them from the standpoint of the narrator and the listener.

    Indians have a view and Pakistan has a different view.

    There being no victors since it was not a war, both views remain credible with their audience.

    If it were a war when the nation was roundly defeated and humiliated into accepting everything, then the story of the victor would be credible.

    If anyone would explode a nuke bomb today, there would be an outcry.

    In WWII when it was exploded, who cared?

    And is there a great outcry of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as it should be and everyone reminded of the same now and then?

    No.

    So that is how the world works and one cannot but help it that way since there is no other way!

    That is how credible history is!
     
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    They have lived within their existing borders for more than five decades. The conflict with Japan is about SLOC. And seizing assets because a war between Japan and China? wdf, seriouly how old are you? Are the governments of western nations gonna step in as shareholders? How they gonna attract FDI after that? What about the billions of assets inside China by foreign companies? Try to use your head, for god sake!

    It is funny you talking about international rules and regulations. What international rules and regulations compelled Japanese government to buy the island when both sides agreed to status quo in the 70s?

    Your lack of knowledge in this matter is laughable.
     
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    Japan is the only country in the world which remained unconquered by the Mongol Gengis Khan even after repeated attempts as the Samurais proved more than a match for them eachtime. US was discovered in those days.
     
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    To you everything is laughable.

    You must realise you are not being laughed with, but laughed at with your juvenile diatribes which are never based on facts, but ignited by a misconceived jingoism! Indeed, how old are you and what have you seen of the world, apart from what Mao said of the Chinese being frogs in the well?

    There are great stakes the Western countries have in Asia and Africa and therefore to believe that they will abandon that to appease China is disingenuous.

    FDI? Please remember it is mutually beneficial and China is doing no favours.

    If the nations boycott Chinese goods and freeze Chinese assets, then China will be the loser.

    Be more realistic before going jingoistically ballistic.
     
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    The same way the Japanese feel that the Naking issue has been dressed up by those who were the victors and the majority.

    Right now, they have the backing of the majority!
     
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    It is hard to explain international trade to someone who has no knowledge in this area.

    If it makes you feel better that "the nations" will boycott chinese goods and freeze chinese assets, then by my guest.

    I never liked Iphone and other made in China products anyway.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is hard to explain that when the chips are down, many odd things happen.
     
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    Western corporations own Western politicians. They'd never let a Sino-US trade war happen.
     
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    When people use F word and shout instead of talking with a calm head I walk away whether it happens over internet or face to face conversation. I will address your questions in a separate post without replying to you directly. You are not worth debating with since you do not have sense of using civilized language while presenting your case or argument.
     

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