Japanese help in breaking string of pearls stratagem

Can a combined India-Japan initiative cause string of pearls strategy to fail?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 46.7%
  • No

    Votes: 2 4.4%
  • Partially/ Not completely

    Votes: 19 42.2%
  • Do not trust Japan enough for this

    Votes: 3 6.7%

  • Total voters
    45

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For your information:
India's priority is Indian Ocean while Japanese have their eyes always on not SCS but Eastern Asia. Both sides have no intention and no means to help each other militarily.
On economical area, Japanese investment in those string of pearl is a competition against Chinese, but not necessarily good thing to Indian either. Any foreign investment in India's neighbourehood is building up the competition against India, hurting India's income.
Politically, Japan is not an independent country. Her policy has been heavily twisted by Americans, which make her stance very inconsistent.
Keep on blabbering crap. I know who taught you Chinese to live in denial. The Pakis did, right?
It would be better if you are made Chairman of CPC. If PRC really starts turning a blind eye on India's actions, that would be bliss. That would mean that we can go on ahead full steam, without worrying about PRC flipping out over puny stuff like Lamas visiting some regions in India.

Now about foreign investment in India's neighborhood, Economic competition from Japanese is better for India than one from Chinese. Atleast the Japanese do not mean to directly undermine our security and most other policies (and so their economic influence is not a drag on our foreign policy). I know that Japan does not paint a favorable image in the eyes of most Chinese given the Japanese atrocities of WW-II. But in India, Japan is seen as a very friendly presence. So you can stop trying to persuade us that the Japanese are bad for us Indians. Japanese investment in South Asia is bad for China, good for India.

IMHO, with all the intellectual BS I've seen on this thread ... moving from the topic of "string of pearls" to "railways". An alliance with Japan is not happening, period! Even though we signed LEMOA, simply because no country is going to travel almost 3222 Nm to keep a couple or handful of Chinese subs at bay, the logistic cost is too much for Japanese Navy or any navy, even the USN too. That's why they signed LEMOA with us on first place.

This fight we Indians need to fight on our own. Nobody's gonna help us, the sooner our leaders realises this the better. Japanese have to look out for there country as well, as they recently just dodged the economic collapse bullet and the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl, although I won't say they dodged the latter though. ;)

The reason why Japanese have an aggressive stance is not because of some islands they claim the right too, it's all just shroud, the real reason is because whoever gains control of the SCS, will impact every other nations trade. And japan being dependent on sea trade, will be the most affected from it.

CBGs are a different aspect though, which again not happening as China has no incentive to put it's CBG to patrol in Indian ocean, for that they have cheap diesel electric subs and some SSNs. For which we are well equipped too, all we need is more machinery to be floating.
Nobody is talking about a military alliance with Japan. We are talking of joint diplomatic posturing and joint economic influence creation to tackle the Dragon everyday. If the day ever comes when we go to war with the PRC (Dance of the Dragons:laugh:), we all know that India is not relying on some third country for military assistance (certainly not the Japanese).
Chinese definitely have an incentive in sending their CBG in Indian Ocean. It makes for a powerful headline. Its a powerful diplomatic move. So even if they cannot do crap to us (even if they get a CBG in Indian Ocean), they can still make a statement. PLAN submarines (which are a bigger challenge for our Navy than a PLAN CBG), do not make public appearances frequently (certainly not when deployed) and are therefore not meant to win the propaganda war.
 

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Keep on blabbering crap. I know who taught you Chinese to live in denial. The Pakis did, right?
It would be better if you are made Chairman of CPC. If PRC really starts turning a blind eye on India's actions, that would be bliss. That would mean that we can go on ahead full steam, without worrying about PRC flipping out over puny stuff like Lamas visiting some regions in India.

Now about foreign investment in India's neighborhood, Economic competition from Japanese is better for India than one from Chinese. Atleast the Japanese do not mean to directly undermine our security and most other policies (and so their economic influence is not a drag on our foreign policy). I know that Japan does not paint a favorable image in the eyes of most Chinese given the Japanese atrocities of WW-II. But in India, Japan is seen as a very friendly presence. So you can stop trying to persuade us that the Japanese are bad for us Indians. Japanese investment in South Asia is bad for China, good for India.



Nobody is talking about a military alliance with Japan. We are talking of joint diplomatic posturing and joint economic influence creation to tackle the Dragon everyday. If the day ever comes when we go to war with the PRC (Dance of the Dragons:laugh:), we all know that India is not relying on some third country for military assistance (certainly not the Japanese).
Chinese definitely have an incentive in sending their CBG in Indian Ocean. It makes for a powerful headline. Its a powerful diplomatic move. So even if they cannot do crap to us (even if they get a CBG in Indian Ocean), they can still make a statement. PLAN submarines (which are a bigger challenge for our Navy than a PLAN CBG), do not make public appearances frequently (certainly not when deployed) and are therefore not meant to win the propaganda war.
Maybe they put up a CBG in our ocean, but they have to think twice of what they will be doing. Conducting such act, would certainly draw our country to SCS. But still it's presence in our region is unlikely, they know they'll face not just backlash, but our own CBG in there deep waters, I'd say let's lay our anchors in front of those islands they are so proud of, if they commit such act. I'd see such scenarios with some more activity with subs, and if they plan to do so, so shall we too. Just waiting for those scorpene subs to lay some psy-ops on them.

Besides, our navy's soul intention is to use some sort of naval blockade near Andaman and Nicobar. Use some minefields in the choke points. Still it would be difficult to track there subs too, as they are infamous for arriving at paki naval base in recent years out of nowhere.
 
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Do you think they will make it past scs?? US rail guns willl reduce Chinese navy to dust


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US is foolishly spending huge money in power projection. Rather, it should ally with India and make sure that Chinese influence is wiped out of Indian ocean. China is bullying Srilanka and Myanmar like countries with some financial aid and tries to bully them. US should counter Chinese influence with US financial power in alliance with India and make sure that there is no chinese presence in Bay of Bengal, Indian ocean and Arabian sea. China can remain in pakistan but it is very easy to counter them in Pakistan. US should make an ally with Russia also and for that it should offer some relaxation in Ukraine.
 

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Japan, India to strengthen defense cooperation
Published May 08, 2017

TOKYO – Japan and India are discussing ways to strengthen their military cooperation amid rising tension in the Asian region.

Indian Defense Minister Arun Jaitley told his Japanese counterpart, Tomomi Inada, in Tokyo on Monday that his county hopes to pursue a strategic partnership with Japan for regional peace and stability.

His visit comes at a time of rising tension in the region, including territorial rows in the South China Sea and nuclear and missile threats from North Korea.

Jaitley welcomed a planned trilateral naval exercise among the U.S., India and Japan in July as a way of strengthening cooperation in the Asia-Pacific.

Jaitley, who is also India's finance minister, visited Japan to attend an annual meeting of the Asian Development Bank that ended Sunday.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/08/japan-india-to-strengthen-defense-cooperation.html
 

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Keep on blabbering crap. I know who taught you Chinese to live in denial. The Pakis did, right?
God, you sound like 16 years old girl who was dumped by her first boyfriend, just can't talk anything without blaming him.
 

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Japan to Boost India's Infrastructure in North-East Region

16:33 18.05.2017

India’s attempts to expedite infrastructure development in regions close to China and Myanmar will get a major boost as Japan has officially offered support for various ongoing as well as upcoming development and infrastructure projects in the country’s north-eastern region.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — Japan has informed India about its willingness to partner at different levels in infrastructure projects. Tokyo, however, has not evinced its interest in Arunachal Pradesh — a region which China considers it South Tibet and a part of its territory.

“The north-eastern region of India has immense potential and with the kind of priority being given to the region by the Government of India and the Government of Japan looks forward to engaging itself as a partner at different levels, both financially and otherwise,” Kenji Hiramatsu, Ambassador of Japan to India, said after a long meeting with India’s Minister for the Development of North Eastern Region (DoNER) Jitendra Singh. According to Hiramatsu, the preferred states which the Government of Japan looks forward to investing in the northeast are Assam, followed by Manipur and Nagaland.

Japan is expected to fund roads, bridges and developing inland waterways in the region. “Japanese partnership could also be utilized in the recent initiative of developing inland waterways transport along river Brahmaputra down to the Bay of Bengal as well as supplementing the venture fund announced by DoNER Ministry for start-ups in the northeast,” Jitendra Singh said.

Japan has stepped up engagement in development projects in North-East India in recent years after the Narendra Modi government asserted itself in the region to counter China. The northeastern region is a key part of India’s ‘Act East Policy’ that aims to develop regions that lack infrastructure and to build partnerships with key states in the Asia-Pacific. Japan has a historic link with the region because it was in the area around Manipur and Nagaland that during World War II, around 30,000 Japanese soldiers had been killed while fighting the British Army and other allied forces.

Japan’s foreign direct investment in India was more than $4.2 billion in the first half of the last fiscal year, compared to $2.6 billion in the previous fiscal year. The official development assistance from Japan to India amounted to $3.4 billion in the last fiscal year.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201705181053740407-japan-india-infrastructure-/
 

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India, Japan to Launch Their Rival to China's OBOR
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12:37 18.05.2017

With China's One Belt, One Road (OBOR) initiative getting all the global attention in Beijing, India and Japan plan a soft launch of their Asia-Africa connectivity project later this month. Experts, however, pointed out that OBOR can't be ignored despite Indian and Japanese reluctance to join it.

New Delhi (Sputnik) — Dubbed as a democratic alternative to OBOR, the Partnership for Quality Infrastructure will have India and Japan work together on a maritime-only project to bring the Indian Ocean Region and the African continent closer through an Asia-Africa connectivity project, stretching from Japan to Africa via the Indian Ocean.

India has been forthright in its opposition to the OBOR, saying it "lacks the core features of a connectivity project that should be based on common understanding and collective interest".

India's discomfiture with OBOR, in particular, stems from the $50 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) which passes through Pakistan-administered Kashmir, a territory which New Delhi claims and shows in its map as its own. New Delhi maintains the CPEC violates India's sovereignty.

The intelligentsia in the country remains divided over the Indian government's decision but also point to the strong undercurrent in favor of better trade ties with China.

"The non-negotiable position taken by the Indian government on the CPEC, which is one of the projects in the OBOR, is understandable as it compromises our sovereignty over Pakistan-administered Kashmir. There is also a suspicion about the Chinese strategic designs, referred as 'string of pearls'. But we also can't ignore the fact that a rising class of small merchants and traders, and which constitutes the core constituency of the current government favors better trade ties with China, which will be hard to ignore," Nandan Unnikrishnan, Vice-President, at New Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, told Sputnik.

Dr. Deep-K Datta Ray, Associate Professor, with the New Delhi-based O.P. Jindal World University, takes a pro-trade stand. "China is focused on business and wants to expand trade with newer parts of the world, including South Asia and India. In fact, China is India's largest import partner. We have also collaborated on global issues such as climate change, WTO negotiations, and other areas. India needs to find ways to take advantage of the opportunity," Datta Ray said.

The Partnership for Quality Infrastructure project was discussed between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe during their annual summit in Tokyo last November. Modi has also focused on extending maritime cooperation during his visit to the African continent in 2016.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201705181053728479-india-launch-china-road/

 

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freedom corridor between two democratic , free and ancient civilization unlike a communist , repressive , censored society which is using debt to colonise and loot people


Partnership for Quality Infrastructure (PQI) because this will not be like use and throw cheap manufacturing hub and this comes straight after yesterday naval exercise with Singapore in south china sea
 

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