Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blunder

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    Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blunder

    ISLAMABAD – A retired Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that former Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s 1999 military adventurism in the Kargil region of divided Kashmir failed in part because the North Korea-aided, nuclear-capable Ghauri missiles he wanted to deploy then had a faulty guidance system.

    Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance system.”
    :lol:

    Over a year earlier, on April 6, 1998, Pakistan had carried out what it described as a successful first test of the intermediate-range ballistic missile, developed by Khan Research Laboratory with North Korean assistance.

    Even Musharraf, who witnessed that Ghauri launch as a local corps commander, had been led to believe it was a success then, according to the nuclear scientist, who until recently had long been closely associated with the country’s nuclear and missile programs.

    The truth, he said, is that the ballistic missile failed to reach its predesignated impact point in Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan and its debris could not be found — something that would have undermined the missile’s deterrent effect if it were made public.

    Military experts and strategists have pondered why Musharraf, immediately after he became chief of the army staff in October 1998, began planning the ill-fated incursions across the volatile Line of Control in disputed Kashmir, sparking the worst outbreak of fighting since the India-Pakistan war of 1971 even though he knew Pakistan could not prevail in an all-out conventional war with its neighbor.

    During the May-July 1999 conflict, the two sides fought a two-month limited war in Kargil that led to over 1,200 fatalities and added to fears of a nuclear showdown before then-U.S. President Bill Clinton helped broker a ceasefire and Pakistani withdrawal.

    Musharraf’s gamble in Kargil has since been interpreted by many as an effort by Pakistan, aside from gaining a tactical advantage by occupying dominating positions in the Kargil Heights, to test the deterrence value of its nuclear weapons.

    The untold story, according to the scientist, is that Musharraf was unaware of the Ghauri missile’s faulty guidance system even as he oversaw the covert occupation by Pakistan troops and mujahedeen “freedom fighters” of the inhospitable, snowbound outposts in Kargil that the Indian Army had vacated for the winter.

    He said Musharraf only learned the truth in March 1999 from Lt. Gen. Zulfikar Khan, who then commanded the army’s Combat Division.

    Musharraf then ordered another Ghauri test, which took place on April 14, 1999, just three days after India tested its Agni-2 intermediate-range ballistic missile and several weeks before India detected the extent of the Pakistani side’s penetration in Kargil.

    But this test also failed, with the missile overflying its target and falling across the border in the Sistan region of southeastern Iran, the scientist said. It, too, was publicly declared a success, however. :pakistan:

    The scientist’s remarks were corroborated by two other nuclear scientists and another knowledgeable source who confirmed that the two missiles tested in 1998 and 1999 both failed to impact at the predesignated points in Baluchistan.

    While Pakistan claimed the Ghauri missiles were designed and produced indigenously, they were actually Nodong missiles supplied by North Korea and re-engineered in Pakistan to extend their strike range.

    The scientist claimed that after the second test, North Koreans were invited to a meeting at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where they were confronted with the fault in their technology.

    “The North Koreans started talking left and right but were told to open their eyes and take care of the guidance system in their Nodong missiles,” said the scientist, who was privy to the meeting.

    Musharraf, he said, initially wanted to return the Nodong missiles to North Korea, from which it had imported 40 in knocked down condition in the mid-1990s. But then the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission undertook to replace the guidance with that of the country’s Chinese-aided Shaheen missile, he said.

    Last Nov. 28, the improved version of Ghauri was test-fired and the government — true to form — declared it a success. Soon afterward, however, it was found to have exploded in midair and rained metal debris over parts of Sindh Province.

    :meme troll:

    Pakistan’s disgraced nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, whose laboratory develops nuclear warheads for Pakistan’s missiles, concedes there was a row about the Ghauri’s accuracy.

    But he ridicules the assertion that Musharraf wanted to return them over their faulty guidance system, saying, “What difference does it make if a nuclear-tipped missile falls 1 km left or right of the predetermined impact point?”

    Khan claims Musharraf merely sought to return them because Pakistan had insufficient funds to pay back what it owed for them. The Kargil crisis happened in the wake of six nuclear tests carried out by Pakistan in May 1998, which triggered sanctions against the country and led a drastic fall in foreign exchange reserves. Pakistan suffered a serious military and diplomatic setback after successful Indian military action and intense international pressure forced it to unconditionally pull back behind the Line of Control as part of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire. In his autobiography, published in 2006, Musharraf called it a “myth” that the two sides had come to the brink of nuclear war during the conflict and dismissed as “preposterous” speculation that Pakistan was preparing for a possible nuclear strike on India then. “I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote. Critics of Musharraf’s action often refer to the Kargil conflict as a “misadventure,” saying it was badly conceived and executed, while he wrongly assumed the world would sit back idly. Instead of considering the Kargil as a blunder, Musharraf, who has been living in exile since quitting politics in 2008, claims it actually brought the Kashmir issue back into international focus and helped pave the way for a solution. However, tension between the nuclear-armed neighbors, which have fought three wars since partition in 1947, two of them over Kashmir, has remained high since the Kargil conflict.
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    Yeah to baseti kharab ho gayi mushy ki:lol::lol:
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    what guarantees are their the guidance system has improved?
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    Ghauri series are getting phased out
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    Musharraf s a certified fool and so are Pakistanis to believe that idiot.

    And anyway Pakistanis hate Mohajirs, who pretend to be sons of the soil, like that refugee Musharaf.

    Imagine Urdu being their national language even though it was NEVER spoken in what is known as Pakistan now!

    A nation that has no identity is the one that suffers from an identity crisis and that is their doom!

    Ghauri maybe being phased out, but good luck to them that they are still not phasing themselves out.

    Unless they get their house and act together, they have the danger of phasing themselves out by themselves!
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    nothing, as its always the case with them.
    They dont have any credibility in missile guidance system
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    That is the biggest fear. Their missiles targetted at Delhi may explode over Lhasa or Kathmandu.

    The only, somewhat reliable, source of delivery with them is Mirages and F-16. Those have their own limitations.

    The other source of delivery with them is Terrorists who will exolde the nuclear warheads on themselves.

    Nuclear suicide attack !!
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    Now waiting for an insider to come out and say the nuke test was a dud. Pakistan has been built on lies and deceit by their generals. Lots of bluff. I have been telling for ages call Pak bluff on nukes and teach them a lesson for their terror activities.
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    That is good. But that will be a big jolt to Pakistani psyche as Ghori is their hero who slaughtred them (people of territory of today's Pakistan) many times

    When is Pakistan getting phased out ?
     
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    if PPP is selected once again for 5 years.than in the next 2-3 years
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance system.”

    can stop laughing :laugh::rofl::laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    @LETHALFORCE;

    No one noticed how they were recently testing their missiles in hurry when NoKo rocket failed. One missile we have already exposed as flop in this very forum.
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    If Ghauri series are phased out then why did they test in November 2012 and declared it a success when in reality it exploded mid-air and debris fell on a village caught by TV channels :rofl: :rofl:

    +100 to @JAISWAL for posting the article.
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    Well this article made my day :rofl: :rofl:
    @sayareakd isn't the missle test you exposed as a failure was a Shaheen test?
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    And this I.Q. Khan developed nuclear weapon !!
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    they will launch at New Delhi and the missile end up in China, i wont be surprised since it was purchased through barter system :rofl:
     
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    Re: Japan Times: North Korea’s missiles tied to Musharraf's Kargil blu

    As DD said it was Ghauri/Hatf-V.

    But it does not matter since earlier missile were landing somewhere near the target this one (Ghauri/Hatf-V) eject itself midway on the head of Pakistanis...............:rofl:
     
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    me too.........................:rofl:
     
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