Japan nuclear pact revealed

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  1. SHASH2K2

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    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/3371054/Japan-nuclear-pact-revealed


    Japan has verified the existence of a 1969 agreement with the United States that would allow Washington to deploy nuclear weapons in southern Japan in the event of an emergency, the Nikkei business daily reported yesterday.

    The agreement could put Japan's government in a bind by forcing it to choose between scrapping the pact with its top security ally and watering down its self-imposed ban against the possession, production or import of nuclear arms.

    The pact allows the United States, after discussions with Japan, to deploy nuclear weapons on the southern island of Okinawa where the bulk of US bases in Japan are located, the Nikkei said.

    Foreign ministry officials were not immediately available for comment.

    The newspaper quoted a draft of a report expected next month by a government panel of academics looking into diplomatic agreements suspected to have been kept under wraps by previous Japanese governments.

    The investigation was launched after Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama's Democratic Party took power last August, ending decades of conservative rule with pledges to make policies more transparent.

    An analyst said Hatoyama could choose to annul the 1969 agreement, but debate over a nuclear deterrent would likely be an issue as Japan and United States discuss ways to review their alliance this year.

    "Before talks on deepening the alliance, the US will want to see Japan set a clearer picture on where it stands on issues ... such as its three non-nuclear principles," said Katsuhiko Nakamura, director of research at think tank Asian Forum Japan.

    "Only when they've resolved these fuzzy issues can they go ahead with issues like how to work together in global affairs, which Hatoyama has talked about."

    Japan often refers to itself as the only country to have suffered nuclear attacks when touting its non-nuclear principles.

    But Tokyo also benefits from the shelter of the US nuclear umbrella, and many in Japan would be reluctant to see the United States' nuclear deterrent significantly weakened in the face of a resurgent China and threats from North Korea.

    The government panel has failed to confirm a separate agreement suspected of allowing stopovers by US military aircraft or vessels carrying nuclear weapons, the Nikkei said, although former officials have commented on its existence.
     
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  3. Rebelkid

    Rebelkid Regular Member

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    China definitely won't be happy with this
     
  4. SHASH2K2

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    They have every right to be unhappy about everything that happens in their backyard. Who cares?
     
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    its not their backyard Japan was never their surrogate but immediate neighborhood would be correct term..
     
  6. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    in a nuclear age, nuke toys are only for deterrence.

    why shall China be unhappy about this or about that? it's not news to us
     
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    well usa is doing all the thing to counter china but china is silence

    why ??????????????
     
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    China is not a paranoid. In East Asia there're Russia, Koreas ...

    When China was a nobody in the world arena Uncle Sam was already busy wielding those toys worldwide. Even today Uncle is still the big brother.

    Take it easy, man.
     
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    That would mean that in a near terms scenario, lesser nukes pointed towards India as they will be diverted elsewhere.

    Did the US pressure Japan into this. Lately the US has realized that China cannot be a friend and it is taking steps to keep it under check.
     
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    Actually it's not a bad thing for China. If JP stays in the shelter of the US nuclear umbrella, JP is unlikely to get remilitarized in full swing. The power balance in East Asia may be maintained more or less.

    Japanese are marvellous in innovation and work ethnics. Only if their genius is unleashed a little bit ...

    There's an upside in Uncle's policing the Pacific. Without Uncle's thumb-down even Taiwan could have developed nuke capacity in 1980's. JP or TW or SK are nothing more than chessmen in the US' global game.
     
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    Don't compare Japan to Taiwan or even Korea. Anyway there is not much China can do about this except lament.
     
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    Except for nuclear arms Japan has one of the best force in entire Asia. only good thing for china is that they donot have expansionist attitude anymore . Their forces are only for defensive purpose. If chinese have guts they can test Japanese capability. Japanese will unleas hell for them. Who know in few years they may change their nuclear policy as well. If japan want Nukes they will get it . After all they are pioneers in nuclear technology.
     
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    I am praying for a short conventional war between China & Japan. It would be a loss of face for China.
     
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    The Chinese do not want a disruption in their east asian trade and the US is doing that the presence of american bases in japan and south korea are preventing a war between the koreas and japan.The Koreans hate the japanese even more than the chinese.In the event that the koreas get unified under seoul,the chinese prefer to have a US base in korea because that will prevent a war between koreas and Japan.In event of such a war the chinese cannot support tokyo (the nanking massacre will see to that) and this will ruin east asian trade.Precisely a scenario the chinese do not want.Beijing is more merchantilist than it looks
     
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    This is an interesting scenario but what will Korea and Japan's position be in a conflict betwwen China and USA. USA's goal maybe to disrupt this vibrant trade.
     
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    Even the US is merchantalist and right now taiwan,korea and japan are excellent pawns to it.The post I posted is CCP's actual view.A famous PLA watcher first mentioned this and I take his word to a large extent
     
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    LF If china lobs nukes at korea and japan then there will be less nukes to lob at US.China won't take out her nukes in case of war with USA.CCP isn't stupid
     
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    Don't forget Russia with diehard ambitions to get back to the central stage.

    Russia holds S. Suril Islands which Japan claims theirs. At the very beginning after collapse of Soviet Union, Russia agreed to return some islands to JP in exchange for financial aid. But after Russia regained confidence out of their mess (Putian took office plus inflow of oil & gas dollars) Russia went back on his word and denied any nego. over them. A thousand sq. km territory means a lot for a narrow country like Japan!

    Besides Russia won't allow US to turn Japan into barriers for his access to broad Pacific - ref. recent "Vostok-2010" (East 2010) exercises >>> http://www.global-military.com/russ...sunk-the-aircraft-carrier-700-km-outside.html

    There's a delicate power balance in E. Asia.
     
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    OHimalaya the nazis know best why not to meddle with the bear.Ill give you a better example during world war 2 it was taking Mao's and Chiang-kai-sheks best efforts but they were unable to touch the IJA(Imperial Japanese Army).But Zhukov defeated the japanese in the battle of Kalakhin Kol in a matter of ten days.Where as the Japanese Kwantung army was defeated by Ivan konev in a matter of days.If US choose not to nuke Japan ,Stalin would have invaded Japan...and the Japanese may have ceased to exist as a race and civilization itself...The nukes saved Japan from Stalins wrath.The Japanese are more afraid of the russians than the chinese
     
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    you're right. The Japs should be grateful to the US instead of complaining about Hiroshima & Nagasaki.
     
  21. amoy

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    Of course, look at those primitive weapons Chiang or Mao's armies used, needless to mention at that time China was in a mess ruled by different factions/warlords as a semi-feudal society with barely any modern industry. Chinese guerrillas (including Kim Il Sung's Korean legions in China) had to flee to USSR across border.

    In fact the US rushed to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki for fear that Japan surrendered " too early" to USSR when Red Army smashed Kwangtung force in Manchuria of China.

    And Russians were not as lenient as Chinese. Millions of Jap captives spent unforgettable years in Siberian labor camps. When some of them were handed over to China they cried out for survival.

    Now in E. Asia it's like Russia, China and NK on one side vs. US, JP and SK on the other side.
     

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