Jamiat chief lashes out at Congress for fanning fears about Modi

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    Jamiat chief lashes out at Congress for fanning fears about Modi

    JAIPUR: Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Hind chief Syed Mehmood Madani on Monday accused the Congress party of creating a Modi bogey to spook the Muslim voters into backing the party in the 2014 election. He asked Muslims not to be scared of the Gujarat chief minister being BJP's prime ministerial candidate.

    "The Muslim community should not be scared. Secularism is deep-rooted in the country and communal forces can never win over the hearts of general public," said Madani. He was speaking at a conference on the demand for reservation for Muslims at Jaipur's Birla Auditorium. Madani, a former Rajya Sabha MP, warned the Congress of backlash from Muslims in the upcoming assembly elections in five states.

    "Congress should not try to get Muslim votes by creating fear about somebody. The party should look at possibilities of community welfare which they have not done so far," he added.

    The Jamiat leader accused both the Congress in Rajasthan and the Samajwadi Party in Uttar Pradesh of failing to protect Muslims. "Muslims were at the receiving end during the riots at Muzaffarnagar in UP and Gopalgarh in Rajasthan. The respective governments failed to read the communal undercurrents and act," Madani said.

    The statement comes two years after Maulana Ghulam Ahmed Vastanvi was forced to quit as Darul Uloom Deoband vice-chancellor over his comments about the positive impact of Gujarat's development's on the state's Muslims. The remarks were construed as praise for Modi, widely accused of complicity in the 2002 anti-Muslim pogrom. Madani and supporters were believed to have orchestrated the campaign against Vastanvi, the first Gujarati to be nominated for the post, as they feared his elevation could weaken the family's traditional hold over the influential western Uttar Pradesh seminary.

    On Monday, Madani also alleged the Ashok Gehlot government was unfriendly to Muslims as five years of his rule witnessed several incidents of atrocities in places like Gopalgarh, Surval (Sawai Madhopur) and Tonk.

    He also raised the issue of Ajmer Dargah blast and criticized investigative agencies for slow pace of probe. "Muslims will answer to every injustice meted out to them by voting judiciously in favour of right candidates and right party," Madani said.

    Jamiat chief lashes out at Congress for fanning fears about Modi - The Times of India

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    @I-G ,

    What is your take?

    I am asking you because you seem to know all about Muslims and its agonies.

    Do you think that Madani is off his rocker and has no idea about Muslims?lMn

    Do you think that all fatwas issued by his respected Muslim organisation are a whole lot of horse pukey and Muslims should declare all these fatwas is nonsense and should be thrown in the dustbin?!
     
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    I-G Tihar Jail Banned

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    This is not any fatwa . Why u think its fatwa ?

    BJP is changing its hardline stand towards the Muslim minority and trying to make way for better relations and this statement is just one reaction from the leading Muslims organization.
     
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    is n`t Madani always opposed to congress and tries to have deal with sp alwaya
     
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    Again you go!

    Selective noneense.

    Who has said it is a fatwa.

    Your comment was required on how far is the contention that scare tactics adopted by the Congress is to be damned by the Muslim.

    The fatwa issue was just to indicate how he speaks for the Muslim community before you start the whine that he is not a representative of the Muslims!

    Now, address the core issue and not digress like Sanjay Jha and Poonawallah!
     
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    No he is not opposed to the Congress.

    He is the one who threw of Vastanvi

    Bitter Madani factions unite to plot Vastanvi ouster

    Vastanvi's recent election to the post of vice chancellor unnerved the two Madanis, who saw their hold on Deoband receding after the split in their votes. Vastanvi was perceived as a major threat as he is a name to contend with in madrasa education, having modernised this to the point where both boys and girls are educated in both English and Urdu at 65 centres across the country. He is running specialised vocational colleges as well.

    Deoband is not just a centre of Islamic learning, but has become a major financial asset as it receives considerable money from across the world. Assam United Democratic Front leader Badruddin Ajmal had played a major role in getting the Madani family out of Deoband this year by lobbying hard for Vastanvi, who got the majority votes. Earlier, Ajmal was close to Arshad Madani, but the two fell out over the latter's decision to reach an electoral understanding with the Congress party and Chief Minister of Assam Tarun Gogoi. Ajmal himself is in alliance with the Asom Gana Parishad and strongly opposed to the Congress party. He was heading the state unit of the Jamiat earlier but has been thrown out of this by the Madani family.....

    ....this influential seat of Muslim power in Uttar Pradesh, a rebel who is determined to make them relinquish control and had almost succeeded, and finally the family friend from Pakistan who has arrived in response to an SOS to ensure that the feud ceases, or is at least resolved for the momen

    Vastanvi gave the much needed handle to the Madani family by stating that Muslims have to go beyond the violence in Gujarat. Interestingly, his many supporters point out that he was not saying anything new, and this was certainly not an endorsement of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as is being made out by his rivals

    Bitter Madani factions unite to plot Vastanvi ouster
     
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    Calling @I-G, Calling @I-G, ,

    ''How do you read me?"

    strength 0?

    Too embarrassing?

    It is not about BJP changing tack.

    It is the gross disgust of the Muslim community over false promises that some Muslims love to float as great achievements done by the Govt and append links to indicate so! ;)

    and pander falsehood that Kashmiri Muslims are refugees in India!

    I take it that you say that there is no scare tactics adopted by political parties to get Muslim votes, right?
     
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    BJP is changing its track and even approaching towards Muslims.



    Here the gross disgust is done from your side , for everything your whole attention is on Muslim community :rofl:

    "We have found a shelter here," said Riyaz Ahmed, one of the camp inmates. Riyaz is MA in education from Kashmir university.
    Kashmiri refugees eke out livelihood in Kolkata - Indian Express




    The Kashmiri Muslim said they had gone to many groups in Indore, a strange land for them, but nobody helped. �Then we approached the Church people and they understood our plight,� he added.

    Shah said they left home to save their families from starvation as continuous unrest in the Kashmir valley �has crippled our life and our survival has become difficult.�

    The Shah family was engaged in shawl making in Punjoora in Baramulla district. �Curfew and continuous violence have hit our routine business,� he said and added, �It will take lot of time and effort to start a venture again.�
    indian diocese comes to aid of kashmiri refugees - ucanews.com


    even in Hyderabad , there are Kashmiri Muslim refugees
    A cold reception for Kashmiris - The Hindu
     
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    as far as i know they are kashmiri pandits who have been driven out of kashmir under congress rule.....
    they stay in hyderabad as destitutes,nomads,moving from house to house ,a life of begging.

    i stayed in hyderabad,heard about their plights

    i never came across news about kashmiri muslims.may be they are very few in number or came here as a part of business.

    many groups come to hyderabad in particular seasons have their business leave to their native places
     
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    You grudge that and are aghast?

    Why?

    Who has instilled in your mind that Muslims are 'untouchable' and should not be taken into the national mainstream and used as vote banks and to be discarded as used prophylactic once he elections are over?

    Do you grudge that the BJP is playing the same game as the Congress?

    Could you explain how the BJP swept the polls in Gujarat and municipal elections in Gujarat in Muslim majority areas were won by the BJP? And sweeping the Assembly elections where there were a clear Muslim majority?

    Liquor and money alone cannot win elections repeatedly. Some benefits have to be thrown in too. Muslims of Gujarat seem to see this aspect.

    Even Madani, the Jamaa'it chief who threw out Vastanvi for his praise of development in Gujarat (and not Modi) has indirectly lashed out at the scare tactics being used against Modi, taking Muslims to total idiots!

    So it appears that changing tacks is working and the Muslims (unlike you) are getting savvy that they are being used as prophylactics and no more are they ready to accept that.




    I am afraid my name is not Madani.

    My attention is because of rabid people like you who 24 x 7 whine, rant and act as born losers sold on existence through begging!

    What makes you think my life is wonderful with 72 virgins at my side even when I am still breathing?



    Fine that is my city.

    You seem to forget that this is what they said -

    Was it because of the Hindus or the Muslim Govt of Kashmir who cannot control the situation or give employment to its people?

    So, why blame India and the Hindus?

    If they find a life better in Calcutta to Kashmir, it is because of Bengalis, who do not discriminate on religion and embrace all, unlike Kashmir!

    This shows how crooked you are with facts aimed to mislead people to push your nefarious agenda1

    You are the typical whining Muslim dream9ing of Dar ul Islam or nothing and you are so perverted that you even condemn the other Muslims like the Bohras who eke their existence with no help from the Govt and yet you claim that they live off the Govt.

    I have observed Bohras at close quarters.

    I am yet to see them asking for Govt assistance.

    The Syedna looks after them and the Bohras run their community kitchen.

    Do the Sunnis?

    Do you care about other Muslims? Of course you don't if one goes by what is happening in Pakistan and Iraq!

    You all are totally consumed in proving that you are the sole descendants of the Prophet and other Muslims are skunks and pretenders!

    It is time you all shed yourself from the competitive descendany equation and learn to live in peace and prove Isalm is a religion of peace and not a soft soaping slogan!

    and likewise stop competing with others as to what is the 'true' religion.

    NO religion is true or false.

    It is a mater of faith of the Believer.

    I who has not seen God, refuse to accept that God came to give his baat cheet to a living person!

    There are many who believe God speaks to them!

    I could comment on that, but I don't want to hurt sensibilities.


    When Kashmiris are known to have terrorist link, what do you expect to get - a warm reception?

    Are all Kashmiris terrorists?

    No.

    But then are all Muslims terrorists?

    No.

    But then why do they have so much of problems when they want to enter legally in western countries?

    Because of lack of faith.

    And who is responsible for this lack of faith?

    Guess!

    Don't blame people for the miseries that you call upon yourself with activities and proclaims that scares the world!

    It is time for Muslims like you (who think they are Khalifas) to retrospect and change the perceptions rather that tilting at windmills!

    One could start by not soft soaping the terms and concepts of the Koran and not resort to Taqiyya .
     
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    No political party can be made responsible for this .

    not just in Hyderabad but all over India . In Bangalore, Madurai, Chennai, Pune, Indore , Mumbai, kolkotta .. here i am talking about Kashmiris for the whole including Kashmiri Muslims .

    even i am native Hyderabadi

    There are all over Hyderabad . near Falaknuma, Begumpet , Panjagutta ,Charminar, Chandrayangutta

    No .. These Kashmiris are taking homes on rents, bringing families and even working in Hyderabad mainly in hotel and handicrafts sectors and earning lot of money .
     
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    Right! first they kick out Kashmiri pandits out of kashmir and make them refugees while not allowing them back or any other indian to buy land or settle in kashmir.
    And the same scum has the nerve to say "we have found shelter in kolkatta"?:rofl:

    This is hypocrisy of the highest order something only kashmiri muslims are capable of. Always play the Minority card in India, while in Kashmir play the Islamic card and kick out non-islamic residents,great.
     
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    Really?

    so, why is there this song and dance over the Gujarat riots?

    Gujarat riots had a cause - Godhra.

    what was the cause for the Pandits to be thrown out of Kashmir and what did the Govt do to prevent the same?

    Is't the Govt responsible for the safety and security of all its citizens irrespective of religion?


    You are steeped in bias and speak a whole lot of nonsense, but then you may not be aware how a Govt runs. And so an ignorant postulating as well informed!


    not just in Hyderabad but all over India . In Bangalore, Madurai, Chennai, Pune, Indore , Mumbai, kolkotta .. here i am talking about Kashmiris for the whole including Kashmiri Muslims .



    even i am native Hyderabadi



    Read the link you gae.

    They have come to find jobs since here is strikes and strife in Kashmir where they cannot conduct their business.

    Who is at fault?

    The Muslim Govt of Kashmir, got that?



    sweetheart, your own link says it all.

    so don't sugar coat and whine!

    so you are a Hyderabdi.

    NO wonder you praise the Razakars.

    Living in Charminar area?

    Or Langar Hauz?
     
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    BJP is a national party and it would work to get Muslim votes and thats why its changing its policies and even tactics .








    You will get Apsaras of Rig Veda , no need for you to be worried about the 72 virgins or the SIXTY varieties of pure female servants of judaism 0r 100 wives in harem of heaven in Christianity .





    Seems you cant see that there are Kashmiri Muslim refugees all over India .



    Situation was beyond state government control thats why Indian army is there .



    Who is blaming ? Kashmir Muslim refugees are responsibility of central government but why these Kashmiris be it pandits or Muslims , spreading all over India ?

    Northern Indians and Kashmirs are just flooding South India and changing the whole character of South .

    I dont have any agenda in here .. My question is quite simply . Why South Indians or mainland Indians settle in Kashmir ?

    Bohras takes all the benefits from state and central governments . The real concept of Dar Ul Islam is just for refering to the status of followers of Islam who are native of that land . You need lot of time to understand Islam



    Even i do . my cousin is married to Bohra girl and have become one of them .

    You live in your own world . i cant take your hand and show you everything

    :tsk:

    There are organizations even within Sunnis

    :rofl::rofl: All the time i am talking about Indian Muslims only but seems you do have problems with Muslims



    Islam is a free religion . an arab is no bigger than Ajami or Hindi . All are Equal before God .



    islam is indeed a religion of peace similar like an other religion just dont make political or ethinic issues as religious issues

    Keep your advice to yourself . you are having habit to dragging Islam and followers of Islam in everything . Just see what you have done to this thread . talking abt darul islam , virgins , taqqiya and all the nonsense because of the internet knowledge :rofl: you really need help


    What a utter nonsense which is nothing but to get carried away . :tsk:




    stop your judgemental attitude and really have life . Kashmir is an ethinic and political issue not any religious issue .

    Just dont turn political issues of other places into religions conflicts and start questioning followers of Islam .

    You really need lot of help .. too much scum is filled in your head .



    Taqiyya is not followed in Sunnis , its mainly Naziris, Mehdis, Bohras who follow Taqiyya . Half knowledge is very dangerous and you are having this problem alot .
     
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    Be it kashmiris pandits or Kashmiri Muslims , they are flooding in India similar like the Punjabi Hindus and Punjabi Sikhs flooded North India . These Kashmiris will not even allow Indian Muslims to come and settle in Kashmir .

    These are not religious issues but ethnic issues which is just to keep on moving inside mainland India and spreading out .
     
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    What has Punjabi Hindus and sikhs have to do with with this? they are like normal citizens of India and they can go anywhere they wish in India.
    What is your grudge against them? that they are taking away your jobs? I donno about Indian muslims settling in kashmir but they warmly welcome Terrorists across the border who happen to be muslims, Was it not them who wanted "Nizam-e-Mustafa" ruling the state and islam being state religion,how come they don't allow other moimeen?
    Ethnic?They already kicked out the Ethnic Kashmiri pandits just because they belong to a non-islamic religion.How does Ethnic issue come in here ? .
     
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    Truth is always hard to digest

    Taqiyya is going on ..

    It was carried out by Ghanchi Muslims and Narender Modi is Ghanchi Hindu

    Changing world politics .



    Yes State government is responsible


    You are good in doing nonsense . which you have already done in this thread .



    Doubtful .. Saisat become MIM newspaper :rofl::rofl:





    I have just posted some links to give you some knowledge

    Kashmiris Muslims are there all over India since the 90 s and now more are pouring in mainland India .

    Its the system which is giving extra importance to these kashmiris be it Pandits or those Kashmir Muslims .







    I have never praised razakars even that Qasim Rizvi is not Hyderabadi but Awadhi Shia and i dont support even MIM but its completely wrong to term them Razakars , they are not .

    I am from New city , Close to Assembly .. Masab Tank
     
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    New city is called Hitech city and ORR, Masab Tank and other areas are old.
     
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    How droll!

    So far you were hammer and tongs and finding the BJP and its way most disruptive.

    And now, you are changing tack.

    Smelling the coffee?


    You are hardly the one in position to posit on religion.

    You have no clue of your own religion – Islam.

    You stated

    .

    You ignorance was proved to be legend since al Riza a noted Sunni Muslim theologian said in his interpretation of the quranic verse(9:29) in which the jizya was enacted:as

    A person who does not know his religion is hardly the one to take cognisance when he posits on religions of which he is as ignorant as the loveable village idiot.

    It seems you have no clue of what ‘refugee’ means.

    It means


    ref•u•gee
    /ˌrefyo͝oˈjē/
    Noun
    A person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.


    Now these so called ‘refugees’ of your fertile and fevered imagination ‘been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster?

    So, please do not indicate your ignorance of the language in an open forum!

    Another falsehood to justify.

    Before the Pandits were chucked out and genocide done by Muslim Kashmiris, the Army was not there?

    Either you are a total fool or you are a total scoundrel pandering falsehood!


    You are not only daft, but I am forced to state you are moronic.

    If someone who does not find profitable employment in his own State and seeks fresher pasture elsewhere in India, how is it that the responsibility of the Central Govt?

    Have you been to Kashmir?

    Three quarters of my life has been in Kashmir, right from my childhood. It still is sparsely populated but the infrastructure abysmal and still operates because of the Army. Unemployment is because of the Gvt lethargy and rampant corruption.

    There are no skill development schemes and those that are there, are totally run in a lacklustre manner.

    The sericulture project is a no go and the HMT factory shut down thanks to terrorists who did not want anything that would make life productive for the Kashmiris.

    You have no clue in life except what is fed to you by the Saudi funded fundamentalists.

    Wake up and smell the coffee!

    And why not?

    All seek better pastures.

    Are the North Indians complaining that they are ‘refugees’ in their area of birth and so they are coming to the South?



    Mainland Indians can settle in Kashmir?

    Tell me how.

    I would love to settle there.

    Why are you talking human faeces?


    You are an idiot and an agent provocateur.

    Bohras don’t care a damn about free stuff from the Govt.

    Their community looks after them and they are a thriving community that does not beg or ask for favours.

    In Gujarat, they suffered and they have bounced back and you won’t find them whining!

    They are the real MEN!



    And even after that if you have not understood the goodness of Bohras, then you are a bogot of the first order


    If you can’t prove that the Bohras take Govt help, then it show what a liar and an agent provocateur you are!

    You don’t have to hold my hand, you just have to justify the falsehood you are pandering about the Bohra

     
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    Masab Tank is at the junction of Road#1, Banjara Hills and the road connecting Humayun Nagar and Lakdi Ka Pul.

    Not a great area to be precise.
     

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